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[quest]

Ok, I get where you're coming from at least. I don't AGREE, but then I wasn't someone who was all exercised about what MS was doing either. I get what you're saying though as some people did definitely take that ball and run all the way with it.

The salient point for me was whether cross generational games would be HELD BACK. We seem to have seen that with Halo Infinite (maybe, maybe not, but it seems that is likely). But I haven't seen ANYTHING pointed to that would actually show these PS5 games being held back. Just generic arguments that only resolution, effects and frame rates have been improved which is......kind of what you get with new generations of hardware or newer graphic cards on the PC even. So I don't understand THOSE concerns or arguments. I haven't seen any developers complaining that was the case either...maybe we'll see that as we get to launch and beyond...

I'm not saying it's not possible that games are held back in this model, just saying I don't think we have actual evidence of that. I think people are being a little too knee-jerk reactional to what they FEAR may be the case. That's all.

I agree with you cross generation for a year or 2 was no big deal to get people to transition over. Horizon 2 looks great it was 343 not cross generation that was halos issue. Games take to long and to expensive to let go of 100 million users year 1. I'm happy more people can play those games my stance is the same. I wish Sony would been honest and we could of avoided ww3 on here over it.

I've skipped some pages but did anyone notice that on the DMC site it says ray tracing is available for PS5 at launch and will be patched into the series X with an update. You guys think xbox has an issue with Ray tracing?

Nope they prioritized the PS5 version which is understandable. RT optimizations take time so better to make ship date and patch later. If an indy like medium can put it in I think it is not an issue besides time.

 

[Dolomite]

Cross gen for the next 3-4 yrs boys. Maybe by the time the PS5pro and XSV launch gen 8 can die with grace

 

[Empire Strikes Back]

Nope, not possible for you to be excited, apparently. I mean it's just a PS4 game with a little extra paint.

I mean, technically, the PS4 Spider Man is just a PS3 game that's been upscaled and given a better frame-rate...HELL we even LOST motion controls! So technically a DOWNGRADE in some respects! Disgusting!

So settle down and curb that enthusiasm NOW, son! j/k

Yep, lol. I was skeptical of cross-gen games but damn, folks at PS Studio are talented as hell. When the UI popped on the Miles Morales demo, I was immediately sold on the PS5. That shit looks amazing.

Demon’s Souls was great too, but man, can they at least try not to one hit kill every enemie?

 

[jose4gg]

Cross gen for the next 3-4 yrs boys. Maybe by the time the PS5pro and XSV launch gen 8 can die with grace

Interestingly, RC is not cross-gen...

 

[kyliethicc]

Cross gen for the next 3-4 yrs boys. Maybe by the time the PS5pro and XSV launch gen 8 can die with grace

Thats not what that means. Good try.

 

[Sinthor]

Yep, lol. I was skeptical of cross-gen games but damn, folks at PS Studio are talented as hell. When the UI popped on the Miles Morales demo, I was immediately sold on the PS5. That shit looks amazing.

Demon’s Souls was great too, but man, can they at least try not to one hit kill every enemie?

Yeah, I noticed that on the Demons Souls demo as well. Would REALLY surprise me if that was how it plays though. I assume they had the character very high level 'god mode' just to show the demo and not get bogged down in any 5-10 second long combats. I mean, if it DiD ship like that with one hit kills, it would be a broken game and definitely NOT "Demons Souls." That would be more like a 're-catastrophe' than a re-make!

Edit- Oh man...I just remembered something! I hope they KEEP IN the 'bug' that let you duplicate some of the items! That was handy as FUCK when you were just trying to go in and run thru the game with different builds, etc. KEEP THAT!

 

[Nickolaidas]

classic as in? sony always had next gen games at launch. iirc, gow2 and gt6 are the only two games that come to mind. and they spanned two generations.

this is the first time sony is going into a gen and doing this. its quite poor.

this also means GG wont be working on a truly next gen game until 2022 at the latest. what a waste of four years of dev time.

Still a silly reason to give up 'this fucking hobby', but this isn't the first time you're being overly dramatic.

 

[Empire Strikes Back]

Cross gen for the next 3-4 yrs boys. Maybe by the time the PS5pro and XSV launch gen 8 can die with grace

I think it will last less than people expect. Many of the games with PS4 version today were rumoured to have the development shifted from PS4 to PS5... But I guess it’s a waste of money to kill the PS4 version. They clearly want to transition the players and games like Demon’s Souls and R&C are just the beginning. I don’t think any game that have started development recently under WWS will be on PS4.

 

[Games Dean]

Welp I'm on page 3155. Time to catch up, I'm sure I got 40 pages of everyone holding hands and singing kumbaya ahead of me.....

 

[aclar00]

Nice, wonder if there will be a power brick. Sony has been good about not having them. Also, im not seeing the PSVR connector, unless one of those USB ports is it and i just cant tell the diff.. wonder if there will be an adapter if not on the back.

 

[Nickolaidas]

That is amazing...

I stand corrected. There WAS loading time on that part after all.

 

[kyliethicc]

I think it will last less than people expect. Many of the games with PS4 version today were rumoured to have the development shifted from PS4 to PS5... But I guess it’s a waste of money to kill the PS4 version. They clearly want to transition the players and games like Demon’s Souls and R&C are just the beginning. I don’t think any game that have started development recently under WWS will be on PS4.

The only remaining Sony games that I think could be cross-gen are:

Gran Turismo 7 (50/50 chance)
The Last of Us Part 2 multiplayer (likely)
MLB The Show (of course)

That's it. Everything else will be PS5 only. Sony always wants their consoles to have 10 years of life (because its lucrative.)

 

[kyliethicc]

Nice, wonder if there will be a power brick. Sony has been good about not having them. Also, im not seeing the PSVR connector, unless one of those USB ports is it and i just cant tell the diff.. wonder if there will be an adapter if not on the back.

The camera will likely use a USB port. And no there will not be a power brick.

 

[LiquidRex]

Okay I'm confused... If Sony are planning to support the PS4 for the next 3 to 4 years, what about PS5 hasn't it been quoted the PS5 has a 5 year lifespan

 

[Saberus]

Nice, wonder if there will be a power brick. Sony has been good about not having them. Also, im not seeing the PSVR connector, unless one of those USB ports is it and i just cant tell the diff.. wonder if there will be an adapter if not on the back.

I assume you haven't followed with PS5 news much?... Sony announced around the time of the last show.. they will offer free USB connector to work with the PS5 for the PSVR.. details on how to get it closer to launch, and yes of course it had built in power supply.

 

[kyliethicc]

Okay I'm confused... If Sony are planning to support the PS4 for the next 3 to 4 years, what about PS5 hasn't it been quoted the PS5 has a 5 year lifespan

No. Thats false.

I can never tell if you're trolling or just always misinformed.

 

[sircaw]

Let's nip this FUD into the bed, shall we?

99% BC is very good. Hopefully, an event with UI showcase/BC showcase/hardware teardown is in the works.

do those 18 games have the dlc in them too, i wonder

 

[aclar00]

I just don't see what the big deal is. As long as the PS5 versions take advantage of the PS5 features and things you can't get on PS4...who cares? Same on the Xbox side. I mean, I would get the complaints and fears if all you got on PS5 was an upscaled version of the PS4 game, but I seriously doubt that will be the case. These are first party games and so Sony can ensure that doesn't happen. Now if it DOES, then we can definitely complain!

Besides...is R&C coming to PS4? Even if it does, I think we can CLEARLy see that what's been shown of it would only be that way on PS5.

Yes, but also no. Horizon for instant is most likely constrained to the PS4 HDD speed...essentially meaning the dream of flying over the landscape on a flying dinobot may not happen because the HDD may not be able to handle the transfer speeds needed. Sure, there may be instand loading on PS5, but the overall design of the game is going to be limited to the PS4 HDD capabilities.

They could possibly change things in the PS5 version, but its doubtful Sony would want a gimped PS4 version that doesnt have design features found in a PS5 version...e.g. ability to fly on PS5 but not PS4.

 

[aclar00]

I assume you haven't followed with PS5 news much?... Sony announced around the time of the last show.. they will offer free USB connector to work with the PS5 for the PSVR.. details on how to get it closer to launch, and yes of course it had built in power supply.

Followed, but not that closely i guess, must have missed it. Just knew it was compatible. Im just happy there are two USB ports on the back. Hate wires protruding from the front.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Not at all. Sony was not trying to mandate that everything run on both PS4 and PS5. Not like Microsoft was, not at all. Supporting your existing generation hardware with some games still is not a bad thing. It's about making money. That is FAR different from trying to say that everything that comes out on the PS5 will be on PS4.

Completely different things. Anyone who thought that nothing would be available on PS4 or on Xbox One for that matter, was smoking crack. Generations never switch like a.....light switch.

Sorry but this is exactly the same, even more so with your biggest first party titles

 

[danielJackson]

Nice, wonder if there will be a power brick. Sony has been good about not having them. Also, im not seeing the PSVR connector, unless one of those USB ports is it and i just cant tell the diff.. wonder if there will be an adapter if not on the back.

Why there would be a power brick? That is normal electric cord plug for 240 volts. they cant have power brick with that connector as it is standard for "normal wall electricity".

Dunno if USA have different standard but here there is basically this one with 2 shafts and then the bigger one that have three shafts, one for protective ground or whatever it is called in english.

 

[12Dannu123]

MS has not overtaken anyone in regards to cloud gaming. PSNOW is sitting at a healthy 2.2 million subscribers while xcloud is still floundering in beta and begging Apple to let them on their store.

You're comparing a product that launched just yesterday to a product that launched in 2014.There was 100,000 users testing the XCloud preview which is impressive for 'floundering' service. Sorry, but 2.2 million subscribers is bad, especially after 6 years, if you think Sony can somehow convince Apple to release PSNow onto IOS, you're delusional.

But according to your logic, I can say that GP is doing better at 10+ Million subscribers, I can say that because XCloud is part of XGP.

Until Sony has demonstrated that have confirmed the move to MS Azure and putting PS5s into server racks in 2021, then you can probably say that they are behind MS in that front.

 

[kyliethicc]

Why there would be a power brick? That is normal electric cord plug for 240 volts. they cant have power brick with that connector as it is standard for "normal wall electricity".

Dunno if USA have different standard but here there is basically this one with 2 shafts and then the bigger one that have three shafts, one for protective ground or whatever it is called in english.

No brick. PS5 uses same power cord as PS4. Its a C8 connector inlet. AC 120-240V.

The last PlayStation with an external power supply was PS2 slim.

 

[WhispersintheWind]

No brick. PS5 uses same power cord as PS4. Its a C8 connector inlet. AC 120-240V.

The last PlayStation with an external power supply was PS2 slim.

How did your day go? Good I hope!

 

[itsnotme]

PS2 was supported until 2014 but 0 Sony games were still made for it at that point, even if they release security patches it's still technically supporting the the system and 3rd parties aren't going to leave 100m+ install bases. Though

 

[sircaw]

Got approval from the missus to get a PS5. Wanted the fat one but it looks like EB Games NZ got rekt.
Pre-sold out.

Permission WTF, YOU TELL THAT BITCH YOU WANT IT FOR Christmas or she can find a new place to live.

And don't ever listen to me

 

[Explosive Zombie]

PS3 had games into 2017

 

[Mr Moose]

2 and a half hours until Amazon UK pre-orders open.

PS2 was supported until 2014 but 0 Sony games were still made for it at that point, even if they release security patches it's still technically supporting the the system and 3rd parties aren't going to leave 100m+ install bases. Though

I could see them releasing the next few MLB games on it. Other than that though, eh, I hope not lol.

 

[Anchovie123]

Finally caught up!

The event itself was awesome, but man...All that confusing info that poured out after the event really dragged it down. The whole Demons Souls thing is just messy as hell. How do they fuck something up like that

Still hyped tho, Ill get the disc version as soon as i can. Ill get the disc version but i wont buy new PS5 games physically. mainly because i think the PS6 will ditch physical media completely and anyone with physical games will be screwed in terms of backwards compatibility. Just a hunch but i can totally see it happening.

 

[DeepSpace5D]

So how long can the PS4 Slim and the Pro remain at their current prices with the PS5 just around the corner? The Pro is currently the same price as the PS5 Digital Edition.

 

[Sinthor]

Sorry but this is exactly the same, even more so with your biggest first party titles

Eh...we'll see how it works out. Either way, I don't have a problem with either MS or Sony having crossover support like this, especially if it doesn't hold back the 'next gen' versions. I mean..they CANNOT simply instantly abandon their previous generation hardware users...the user bases are just too large. Developers wouldn't be happy with them if that were the case either. That's why we usually see at least some cross gen for the first year or two into a new generation. I mean, if they were going to abandon the 'old' hardware right away it would make ZERO sense to release things like TLOU2 and Ghost of Tsushima, right?

So we'll see how it goes, but I think people have been overreacting a bit. Now I DO expect MS to do more of this kind of thing since their emphasis is on 'Xbox as a platform,' but then that is one of their main strategies so it totally makes sense. And again, as long as the 'next gen' versions of software aren't actually held back....who cares?

 

[Imtjnotu]

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[aclar00]

Followed, but not that closelybi guessed, must have missed it. Just knew it was compatible. Im just happy there are two USB ports on the back. Hate wires protruding from the front.

Why there would be a power brick? That is normal electric cord plug for 240 volts. they cant have power brick with that connector as it is standard for "normal wall electricity".

Dunno if USA have different standard but here there is basically this one with 2 shafts and then the bigger one that have three shafts, one for protective ground or whatever it is called in english.

Thats primarily why i believe (along with Sony's history) there wouldnt be a power brick.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Eh...we'll see how it works out. Either way, I don't have a problem with either MS or Sony having crossover support like this, especially if it doesn't hold back the 'next gen' versions. I mean..they CANNOT simply instantly abandon their previous generation hardware users...the user bases are just too large. Developers wouldn't be happy with them if that were the case either. That's why we usually see at least some cross gen for the first year or two into a new generation. I mean, if they were going to abandon the 'old' hardware right away it would make ZERO sense to release things like TLOU2 and Ghost of Tsushima, right?

So we'll see how it goes, but I think people have been overreacting a bit. Now I DO expect MS to do more of this kind of thing since their emphasis is on 'Xbox as a platform,' but then that is one of their main strategies so it totally makes sense. And again, as long as the 'next gen' versions of software aren't actually held back....who cares?

I also don't have a problem with it. What I do have a problem with is being disingenuous, and saying miles morales was only playable on PS5. Saying you believe in generations. All of that just to get better press and more hype for your console. Deliberately lying to your fanbase just to "out play" Microsoft, very classy...

 

[Alex Scott]

Eh...we'll see how it works out. Either way, I don't have a problem with either MS or Sony having crossover support like this, especially if it doesn't hold back the 'next gen' versions. I mean..they CANNOT simply instantly abandon their previous generation hardware users...the user bases are just too large. Developers wouldn't be happy with them if that were the case either. That's why we usually see at least some cross gen for the first year or two into a new generation. I mean, if they were going to abandon the 'old' hardware right away it would make ZERO sense to release things like TLOU2 and Ghost of Tsushima, right?

So we'll see how it goes, but I think people have been overreacting a bit. Now I DO expect MS to do more of this kind of thing since their emphasis is on 'Xbox as a platform,' but then that is one of their main strategies so it totally makes sense. And again, as long as the 'next gen' versions of software aren't actually held back....who cares?

It does hold back next gen versions. It doesn't matter if Horizon runs at 60fps or 120fps, it is still a cross gen game. I hope only 2 AAA PS games are just cross gen and rest are next gen.
Sony doesn't care if third party developers wants to support PS4. That is not SONY problem. Sony gives 3rd party free range what they want to do. It is their first party that worries me.

I am not hating on the show. It was 9/10 for me. I already pre order the PS5.
I would have been on SONY side if they were honest with us from the beginning. 1st party devs were likely already developing for the ps4 and they likely haven't even have the devkit or the speclist.

 

[Sinthor]

Thats primarily why i believe (along with Sony's history) there wouldnt be a power brick.

Just shows even mores that they're not worried about cooling, having the power supply internal to the case. That's a good sign!

 

[sircaw]

What a night that was, went back and watched it all again.
Still so thrilled about the console price, that kinda tech for that price, wow, i mean just fucking wow.
I am going to give that price review a 10/10

Things i really liked.

On the game sides of things well its a 9/10 for me.
Demon souls, Holy hells bells, its perfect, beyond perfect.
Spiderman, that demo was fantastic, again magnificent.

These two games alone did it for me. Not seen anything better so far. I also thought harry potter and the new resident evil City block 1 looked great.

The 16 games they are offering, the value is amazing for new players, those are some of the best games you will ever play, i still have not played 4-5 of them. if that includes all the dlc, which i doubt it will (fuckers) its amazing esp for people moving to ps5.



Things i did not really like

I did not like the new call of duty, i thought that particular demo sequence was boring, the little car driving towards the plane, sorry fucking yawn.

Deathloop, just does not cut it for me, i don't know why but the demo was way to long and the action scenes went on forever. it's just not for me.

final fantasy 16, not played any off the others but i got some twilight vibes the movies from the characters( not a good thing) saying that some of the fighting of monsters looked very good. Not sure what to really make of it to be honest.

God of war screenie, yer i am excited for the game but, that did nothing for me. at my age, i need whiskey or Viagra to make me really stand up and take notice.


Overall i got what i want and am super happy, still wished they showed more but don't we all.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

I also don't have a problem with it. What I do have a problem with is being disingenuous, and saying miles morales was only playable on PS5. Saying you believe in generations. All of that just to get better press and more hype for your console. Deliberately lying to your fanbase just to "out play" Microsoft, very classy...

You guys seem to be making stuff up in your heads here. Find me a deliberate lie and I'll start entertaining this narrative.

 

[realcool]

Well, if I can't secure one from Amazon tomorrow (I've had an Amazon giftcard balance of $226 since January that I'd like to use), I have a fallback plan:

 

[Deleted member 775630]

You guys seem to be making stuff up in your heads here. Find me a deliberate lie and I'll start entertaining this narrative.

The whole "we believe in generations" speech, 1 day after Microsoft said they will do cross-gen games for 1-2 years.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

The whole "we believe in generations" speech, 1 day after Microsoft said they will do cross-gen games for 1-2 years.

Which part of the speech was a lie?

 

[BGs]

Am I misremembering or wasn't the PS5 doing the larger blu ray variant something you guys talked about in here? BDXL -R I think.

This is what I remember, guess it wasn't right after all.

Hi (here it is already 17 for many hours.)

I do not know why that is the information published, since it does not imply any perceptual cost reduction. Therefore I guess it is another human error like DS on PC. I hope that when they decide to make the final exploded view of the console and its custom features, they will clarify this point (and "other" things about the BD unit), the reason and update the data, because people have to work (and many times you find out about things earlier from the press than from the company itself).

Regarding the gameplay conference ... as I said, not everything could fit in 40 minutes. Expected price, although I was betting more for € 449. preorders on the indicated day (in my region). The sectioned departure date was not expected. FF16 a disappointment for me. And GOWR also disappointed by not showing anything, even though they already had material to teach. I guess they want to space everything out, but it gets on my nerves.

And "Konami" ... Where is "Konami"? In short, for me an unnecessary presentation to justify giving the date that could have been given by twitter. This year all your performances are disappointing me. Luckily then Bo_Hazem comes to cheer me up.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Which part of the speech was a lie?

Really? You wanna play that card? We'll only accept specific quotes and ignore what he was implying? Even though based on that every Sony fan on this forum kept saying true generations. HZD2 and Miles Morales are not possible on current gen. These are new experiences, etc etc. He was clearly implying that games would only come to PS5.

I think it's ridiculous you are defending this.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Really? You wanna play that card? We'll only accept specific quotes and ignore what he was implying? Even though based on that every Sony fan on this forum kept saying true generations. HZD2 and Miles Morales are not possible on current gen. These are new experiences, etc etc. He was clearly implying that games would only come to PS5.

I think it's ridiculous you are defending this.

You need to quote him saying an actual lie for me to care about your little sperg out here. I've read what he said, have you? I find it curious you are more upset than actual SONY fans.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

$399 with Demon's Souls and Spiderman at launch:

GAME. SET. MATCH.

Sorry that's cringy seriously, happywe get that at launch for that price just means the thing will be very hard to get as I dont believe the 15m manufactured rumour. I think more people than expected will go for the DE @ $399.

I've been up since 6am waiting for pre-order greenlight or this email.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

You need to quote him saying an actual lie for me to care about your little sperg out here. I've read what he said, have you? I find it curious you are more upset than actual SONY fans.

Like I said, I'm only upset about them being so disingenuous, it's false and arrogant. I would've reacted the same on Microsoft if they acted like this. But now I know the type of fan you are, you'll just eat anything up.

 

[sircaw]

$399 with Demon's Souls and Spiderman at launch:

GAME. SET. MATCH.

Sorry that's cringy seriously, happywe get that at launch for that price just means the thing will be very hard to get as I dont believe the 15m manufactured rumour. I think more people than expected will go for the DE @ $399.

I've been up since 6am waiting for pre-order greenlight or this email.

I liked it

 

[Aceofspades]

$399 PS5 has ruined MS entire plans for next gen. They need to slash XSS to $150 asap

 

[Sinthor]

Well, if I can't secure one from Amazon tomorrow (I've had an Amazon giftcard balance of $226 since January that I'd like to use), I have a fallback plan:

Yeah, I just don't understand this. So we have the "opportunity" to be "one of the first" to order it...a FULL DAY after pre-orders begin at places like Amazon? WTF is that? How does that make us one of the first? Also, are they shipping to your door so you have the PS5 on November 12th? Even their FAQ doesn't say. A lot of questions with this. Almost makes me think there was some other plan that they changed and they forgot to change THIS part. I'm just confused. I guess I'll order from Amazon this time since they can get it to my door that day.... pending finding out other information about THIS.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Like I said, I'm only upset about them being so disingenuous, it's false and arrogant. I would've reacted the same on Microsoft if they acted like this. But now I know the type of fan you are, you'll just eat anything up.

He pretty clearly explained what he meant by believing in generations, though. He said next-gen entails benefits and features you can't get on prior generations... stuff like Ray-tracing, native 4k, 120 fps, SSD loading, etc.... that's all benefits and features the PS4 version won't have. Nowhere does it say they're not doing cross-gen support, and no one has ever argued there would be no cross-gen games, not that I've seen. You can feel free to prove me wrong. But you certainly won't find me claiming there won't be any.