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[Maxwell Jacob Friedman]

I looked at the thread and only saw 2 people taking shots, a third was just celebrating Nintendo's success.

It's a Nintendo thread, let them celebrate, we have 10 times the number of Sony threads in GAF.

If Factions is great and the game sells because of it who's going to argue against it? Great MP games sells really well, everybody knows that.
When we talk about TLOU2 having terrible legs and underperforming, we are talking about the game released in June.

Of course the situation can change if they release a great multiplayer or some DLC where they make the story decent, but that's not the game we are talking about right now.

if teh multiplayer is anyting liek the first, it still be straight fire. To bad it couldnt launch with it, that was a big mistake to keep people active.

 

[DForce]

I looked at the thread and only saw 2 people taking shots, a third was just celebrating Nintendo's success.

It's a Nintendo thread, let them celebrate, we have 10 times the number of Sony threads in GAF.

If Factions is great and the game sells because of it who's going to argue against it? Great MP games sells really well, everybody knows that.
When we talk about TLOU2 having terrible legs and underperforming, we are talking about the game released in June.

Of course the situation can change if they release a great multiplayer or some DLC where they make the story decent, but that's not the game we are talking about right now.

It's a NPD thread and now you're making excuses for them.

I don't recall people saying the legs are terrible from people who actually covers sales, just haters. You don't use other Sony exclusvies as a measuring stick.

The Last of Us Part II sales are good. You guys just need to give up already.

 

[llLeonhart]

You are comparing a linear (abysmal) story game to open world/semi-open world games with side quests, optional areas, hidden secrets, endgame content and good story.

I'm not defending the game, I didn't buy it nor do I plan to. I don't think it's a good game, I don't and never will recommend it to any fan of the original.
But there are two points:
1 - They mean single playthrough completion, you buy it, you beat it. They count for it.
2 - The Platinum on Ghost of Tsushima is stupidly easy to get, as is GoW's and Spider-Man, and Horizon Zero Dawn, you don't have to do everything on the game or even beat it on normal for that matter.

 

[ZZZZ]

It's a NPD thread and now you're making excuses for them.

I don't recall people saying the legs are terrible from people who actually covers sales, just haters. You don't use other Sony exclusvies as a measuring stick.

The Last of Us Part II sales are good. You guys just need to give up already.

We are debating that the game has terrible legs, and that it performed below expectations, this is a thread for "August Sales". How are the sales not going to be at least good overall? The first game and ND reputation over the last decade made sure of that, the numbers in the first week are insane, after that it's a different story.

Edit: Why can't i use other Sony exclusives as a measuring stick? That doesn't make any sense.

 

[DForce]

We are arguing the fact that the game has terrible legs, and that it performed below expectations, this is a thread for "August Sales". How are the sales not going to be at least good? The first game and ND reputation over the last decade made sure of that, the numbers in the first week are insane, after that it's a different story.

I watched Benji-Sales go over the sales for weeks and while haters were calling the legs terrible and a massive flop, he said something entirely different.

Unless you know more than Zhuge, Mat and Benji, then you guys just need to stop. The game is a success and people can't seem to live with it. You tried to bring up budget without considering MP. IF the MP is a huge success then your entire narrative is completely dead.

Lets see what they do with MP and how successful it is.

 

[ZZZZ]

I watched Benji-Sales go over the sales for weeks and while haters were calling the legs terrible and a massive flop, he said something entirely different.

Unless you know more than Zhuge, Mat and Benji, then you guys just need to stop. The game is a success and people can't seem to live with it. You tried to bring up budget without considering MP. IF the MP is a huge success then your entire narrative is completely dead.

Lets see what they do with MP and how successful it is.

Why is my narrative complete dead if the Multiplayer is great? We are talking about the game released in June, we have been debating the reason the game has bad legs and underperformed is because of it's story, if people buy the game for the Multiplayer what does that have to do with anything?

Stop with the "flop" nonsense, i already pointed out to you multiple times that TLOU2 was impossible to be a flop, the first game was too successful and ND had a great track record the last decade.

 

[Fake]

Outsold by 3.5 year-old Zelda Botw with physical sales alone.

Ouch.

 

[DForce]

Why is my narrative complete dead if the Multiplayer is great? We are talking about the game released in June, we have been debating the reason the game has bad legs and underperformed is because of it's story, if people buy the game for the Multiplayer what does that have to do with anything?

Stop with the "flop" nonsense, i already pointed out to you multiple times that TLOU2 was impossible to be a flop, the first game was too successful and ND had a great track record the last decade.

"It's a massive flop considering the staff and amount of money"

MP will generate a lot of money if its successful, but you want to tell me that this doesn't have no impact on making money from this budget Sony gave them.

You're just going to repeat yourself over and over again.

Ask Mat from NPD or ZhugeEX if the game is a flop or has terrible legs.

 

[Kerlurk]

That tweet was in response to someone saying the death threats were justified.
He acknowledged that people love the characters so yes, you are allowed to like fictional characters. I don't see what your issue is with this tweet.

Sorry, I did not know that.

I have edited my post accordingly:

TLOU 2 fell off the PS Store Top 20 charts for September

Why dont game producers just hire professional screenwriters?... theres room in the budget for some creative talent moneyhatting. Especially when it comes to games that try to be movies. Its obvious to everyone by now that "game writers" are b-tier.

www.neogaf.com

 

[Kerlurk]

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[RJMacready73]

Still my game of the generation regardless of what anyone thinks or how it sells, i loved every single fucking minute of it

 

[ZZZZ]

"It's a massive flop considering the staff and amount of money"

MP will generate a lot of money if its successful, but you want to tell me that this doesn't have no impact on making money from this budget Sony gave them.

You're just going to repeat yourself over and over again.

Ask Mat from NPD or ZhugeEX if the game is a flop or has terrible legs.

Again with the flop nonsense, man you are stubborn.

I don't care about the Factions project, when i mention budget, i talk about the budget for the game that was released back in June, if they make a great multiplayer game using the assets and manage to turn it around, props to them.

I'll be the first to say, sales were below expectations until the multiplayer came and saved the day.

I call tell you when they had their meetings, they weren't thinking "man this game is going to sell a ton because Factions is going to be great".

 

[Venom Snake]

You should be stating that his tweet was in response to someone saying that death threats against him were justified. That changes the perspective completely, as he is not insulting all fans.

Is it so? Personally, I have not seen this discussion, I have only seen an army of outraged people on this forum accusing the guy of not being able to accept "criticism". This changes things a bit...

Also, what kind of pussy do you need to be to threaten someone with death on the internet? Are there still people in this world who have the courage to say anything face to face or being a wuss is some kind of protected trademark these days?

 

[ruvikx]

The lack of self awareness here in this tweet is extraordinary. Hey @ Druckmann & Reset, you do realize Ellie, her lesbianism, Abby's implied buttsex scene & the rest (bigot sandwiches!) are merely the product of a 40+ year old Israeli man's mind, right?

None of them are really diverse, they're just an assortment of vertexes. I know who needs literal therapy & it's not who they project on.

 

[Maxwell Jacob Friedman]

Is it so? Personally, I have not seen this discussion, I have only seen an army of outraged people on this forum accusing the guy of not being able to accept "criticism". This changes things a bit...

Also, what kind of pussy do you need to be to threaten someone with death on the internet? Are there still people in this world who have the courage to say anything face to face or being a wuss is some kind of protected trademark these days?

Druckman and Laura Bailey who voice acted and played Abby got countless death threats when the game released, a few she said actually legit shook her where as druckman rolled with it and used it as criticism towards them

 

[ruvikx]

Druckman and Laura Bailey who voice acted and played Abby got countless death threats when the game released, a few she said actually legit shook her where as druckman rolled with it and used it as criticism towards them

Thousands of legit people say they dislike the game, one sends a real (or pseudo) death threat. Narrative? "Last of Us 2 critics are haters, bigots & fascists who send the devs death threats".

Blah blah bah. Pass me the vomit bucket. A certain side of the conversation has been playing the same victimhood card forever by projecting hate crimes on dissenting voices. It's textbook Maoist crap.

 

[Kerlurk]

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[Melchiah]

Seems like TLOU2 has completely vanished from the gaming discussion realm, barely been a few months since release.

The original remained relevant and was referenced for years after release.

Much like Game of Thrones after its writing took a nosedive during the last season.

 

[TheInfamousKira]

I mean, it's got solid (if stalwartly refusing to evolve) gameplay. If you enjoyed Part I or Uncharted or any AAA game of this genre or one of its offshoots, you'll enjoy the gameplay here. The evolutions in gameplay basically amount to "adding in shit that was in other games but not in Part I," and I guess as an IP, that's a net improvement for TLOU, though it doesn't reinvent the wheel.

Sound design and graphics are top tier, this is a prerequisite for Naughty Dog games.

It's not too terribly buggy, but when glitches do pop up, they're more noticeable because of the overall polish that this studio usually adheres to.

Storyline takes are subjective, though it's pretty clear that plot structure in the "three act," form that most visual media takes it's cues from is an absolute mess that misses the bar when it comes to pacing the narrative events in a way that makes the audience engaged throughout. That's my biggest complaint. It might work better for a novel, for instance, but having the "reader," behind a pair of sticks, that kind of pacing threatens to eliminate or severely hamper the drive to keep interacting with the medium, which is, you know, more necessary with games versus films, music, etc.

 

[Maxwell Jacob Friedman]

Thousands of legit people say they dislike the game, one sends a real (or pseudo) death threat. Narrative? "Last of Us 2 critics are haters, bigots & fascists who send the devs death threats".

Blah blah bah. Pass me the vomit bucket. A certain side of the conversation has been playing the same victimhood card forever by projecting hate crimes on dissenting voices. It's textbook Maoist crap.

There was more than one, are you saying he cant respond to death threats. Also where did he paint everyone as that? He is specifically talking about the people who were sending the death threats to get help, jesus you're a moron.

 

[Venom Snake]

I found the original tweet, but the tweet he was responding to, is no longer available.


This discusses it though:

Last of Us 2 Director Responds to Abby Actor Death Threats

The Last of Us 2 director Neil Druckmann responds to the death threats that some upset gamers have sent to Abby voice actor Laura Bailey.

gamerant.com

I checked his twitter, from that time period, and I don't see any posts by him, making disparaging remarks about the fans.

Not really defending him (as I strongly disagree with his story decisions, and idealogy), but just want to state the perspective on that tweet.

Thanks for the info man, I appreciate it.

 

[thismeinteil]

Thousands of legit people say they dislike the game, one sends a real (or pseudo) death threat. Narrative? "Last of Us 2 critics are haters, bigots & fascists who send the devs death threats".

Blah blah bah. Pass me the vomit bucket. A certain side of the conversation has been playing the same victimhood card forever by projecting hate crimes on dissenting voices. It's textbook Maoist crap.

Same tactic used for the Ghostbusters and Charlie's Angels reboots, as well as TLJ. Didn't save those projects from underperforming, either.

 

[Physiognomonics]

Much like Game of Thrones after its writing took a nosedive during the last season.

Exactly what I was thinking. But at least Game of Thrones final season can still be saved by the original author while this can't be said with TLOU franchise.

 

[VertigoOA]

This is why it sucks that PSN doesn’t feature a most popular chart system for public viewing like everything else.

Yea, it’s anecdotal but it does seem as if the game was hugely frontloaded from hype and fell off a cliff. Best example of this is Kindgom Hearts 3 actually... no one really cared

 

[Melchiah]

Exactly what I was thinking. But at least Game of Thrones final season can still be saved by the original author while this can't be said with TLOU franchise.

Yeah, I wager a possible 3rd entry will sell less, since some of the original fanbase won't be returning. The sequel to the first was a day one purchase for many, but now it's wait and see at best, day none at worst.

 

[Bartski]

the amount of cringe in this thread is just too much to bare

 

[thismeinteil]

Apparently, it sold only 34K units in it's 2nd full month on NPD. Yep, still selling gangbusters. /s

 

[Lupingosei]

Everybody saw those sales drop coming. The collector's edition and Steelbook are still available even after the 30% discount.

 

[phat_crazy]

Apparently, it sold only 34K units in it's 2nd full month on NPD. Yep, still selling gangbusters. /s

Where you get the 34k number from?

 

[FALCON_KICK]

If TLOU2 doesn't hit the record numbers achieved by TLOU of over 20 Million sales on 2 consoles, then Sony Japan should step in and see to it that Sony California stop fighting culture wars through their games

 

[DForce]

Apparently, it sold only 34K units in it's 2nd full month on NPD. Yep, still selling gangbusters. /s

A lot of gamers don't sell gangbusters this far out. This is why many games go on sale after the first few months.

It seems to be tracking similar to Uncharted 4 in the US.

Uncharted 4 dropped out of the top 10 in the NPD and out of the top 20 on PSN sales.


The game had long legs in the UK.

 

[Woggleman]

Ghosts of Tsushima is out of the top ten in the UK as well. I love GOT but let's hold it to the same standard. Also what kind of deal with Satan did Rockstar make to have GTA V sell this much?

 

[EDMIX]

Ok, fair enough, these charts seem to not be relevant to the overall seccess of a game.

Gamstat.com pictures a more bleak situation sales wise, so lets wait and see.

Ultimately your second Point simply contradicts your first...

These charts clearly are not relevant to the overall success of a game so what's the point of Gamstat.com? So I could care less that is painting a more Bleak picture because ultimately the game sales are going to be something that is based on the totality of all the sales from digital and physical and bundled versions and when it goes on sale and when it's remastered what have you...

So I ultimately think people only want to talk about specific pieces of data to find something to argue about instead of looking at the bigger picture. It's why I jokingly made a big deal about Uncharted 4 because using your exact argument it is to question Uncharted 4s potential success. So it would be like trying to argue Gamstat.com is telling you Uncharted 4 is a bleak situation with sales or something... 1 source isn't going to show the big picture regarding a games overall success.

It underperformed when you take into account the insane budget and the success of the first TLOU.

Do you have a link to the publisher or developer stating it "underperformed"? The game moved 4 million in 3 days physical and 2.8 million by the end of June digital. When a game does 7 million units in less then a month, its hard to really argue it "underperformed" unless you literally have something official by Sony or ND to argue they stated it should do something wild like 10 million or 15 million in a month or something.

I mean....how can you cite the success of the first game, when that game didn't do 7 million in less then a month. Even if you mean the games lifetime sales, you have not given The Last Of Us 2 the equal time to even MEET those sales....you are simply arguing that it underperformed, yet its barely 2 and half months after its release.... So maybe its just me, but that sounds pretty odd to seriously try to argue a game should be doing this or that, when even the fucking game you referenced didn't do that.... For The Last Of Us 2 to be at almost half of the LIFE TIME SALES of The Last Of Us 1, in 2 and a half months vs 7 years simply doesn't sound like "underperformed" as you'd need to give us some links on anyone at Sony expecting 20 million in a month or something.

This is before the multiplayer mode, before the PS4 essentials price drop, before the PS5 release (where its likely to move some units based on BC) before the PS5 remaster and before The Last Of Us 3 announcement that clearly will increase sales of 2 just like 2's reveal increased the sales of 1.

 

[Endless Fluff]

Check the NPD thread, it's still in the NPD top 20, might just be selling more physically?

Switch up +109%, PS4 -1%, Xbox -50% (all unit terms).

TLOU2 didn't do well in August. About 34k units (only have physical) in August.
Madden 305k, Animal Crossing at 179k, Mario Kart 8 130k, Ghosts of Tsushima 122k, GTA V 108k, those are the titles above 100k units, Paper Mario at 78k.

NPD August 2020: Madden #1, UFC 4 #2, PGA Tour #14,10 Switch exclusives in top 20; Switch #1 HW and best August ever in the US (in $ sales) Sales

Switch up +109%, PS4 -1%, Xbox -50% (all unit terms). TLOU2 didn't do well in August. About 34k units (only have physical) in August. Madden 305k, Animal Crossing at 179k, Mario Kart 8 130k, Ghosts of Tsushima 122k, GTA V 108k, those are the titles above 100k units, Paper Mario at 78k.

www.resetera.com

The numbers are all physical, according to the guy who provides the numbers.

Maybe it sold 50k with digital.

The fact that you all are still pretending that it wasn't a commercial disappointment reminds me of people saying "but TLJ made 1.3 billion dollars!!!!" while forgetting that TFA made over 2 billion.

It absolutely sold below expectations as is evident by the dozens of copies collecting dust on each store shelf and 34k physical in August for a 3 month old game when Ghost of Tsushima is moving 4x as many copies is devastating for TLOU2.

 

[sol_bad]

Who's moving the goalpost? I'm offering people 1 year ban bets that the player numbers for TLOU2 is going to be less than God of War for the first 5 months, and remember it sold a lot more in the first 3 days, sure no one wants to take it? It's the best game ever according to you guys, should be an easy win.

it won't be the best selling PS4 exclusive.

It underperformed when you take into account the insane budget and the success of the first TLOU.

I still believe it doesn't have strong legs.

One year ago i expected TLOU2 to be the best selling PS4 exclusive, or because of Spiderman's huge success to at least come close to it, now after the release i'm sure it won't even get anywhere near.

The crazy thing is that, the only difference in numbers between GOT and TLOU2 is the exceptional first few days, after that, the curve is worse for TLOU2.

Between days 40-50 TLOU2 went from 5.81 to 5.98M players while GOT went from 4.44-4.66. Again you can make the case, if the first TLOU didn't exist, GOT would have better sales numbers.

Stop dreaming, no one is moving the goalpost.

Since when do player numbers mean more than sales? I don't understand. And why does it matter of TLOU2 does or doesn't sell better than God? Are you really saying the game is a failure if GoW sells more copies?

 

[DForce]

NPD August 2020: Madden #1, UFC 4 #2, PGA Tour #14,10 Switch exclusives in top 20; Switch #1 HW and best August ever in the US (in $ sales) Sales

Switch up +109%, PS4 -1%, Xbox -50% (all unit terms). TLOU2 didn't do well in August. About 34k units (only have physical) in August. Madden 305k, Animal Crossing at 179k, Mario Kart 8 130k, Ghosts of Tsushima 122k, GTA V 108k, those are the titles above 100k units, Paper Mario at 78k.

www.resetera.com

The numbers are all physical, according to the guy who provides the numbers.

Maybe it sold 50k with digital.

The fact that you all are still pretending that it wasn't a commercial disappointment reminds me of people saying "but TLJ made 1.3 billion dollars!!!!" while forgetting that TFA made over 2 billion.

It absolutely sold below expectations as is evident by the dozens of copies collecting dust on each store shelf and 34k physical in August for a 3 month old game when Ghost of Tsushima is moving 4x as many copies is devastating for TLOU2.

You guys say it's a disappointment with no evidence.

As GoT is not moving 4x the copies. The sales have slowed down after the first month as expected.

 

[Endless Fluff]

You guys say it's a disappointment with no evidence.

As GoT is not moving 4x the copies. The sales have slowed down after the first month as expected.

Dude, I'm literally basing my post on the numbers provided by Delorean. It's in the fucking quote,.

TLOU2 didn't do well in August. About 34k units (only have physical) in August.
Ghosts of Tsushima 122k

That's about 4x as many copies.

 

[DForce]

Dude, I'm literally basing my post on the numbers provided by Delorean. It's in the fucking quote,.

TLOU2 didn't do well in August. About 34k units (only have physical) in August.
Ghosts of Tsushima 122k

That's about 4x as many copies.

Wait, you're comparing second month sales to third month sales to The Last of Us?

It's not devastating when sales slow week by week. It's not a good idea to compare 3rd month sales to second month sales.

 

[EDMIX]

The fact that you all are still pretending that it wasn't a commercial disappointment

Sounds like you are reaching really hard on this one.

'The Last of Us Part II' Sells 4 Million Copies, Breaks PlayStation Record - TheWrap

Naughty Dog's "The Last of Us Part II" is now Sony's fastest-selling first-party game ever

www.thewrap.com

The Last of Us 2 Sets a New Record with 2.8 Million Digital Sales in June

Sony's biggest digital first-party launch

www.pushsquare.com

It absolutely sold below expectations as is evident by the dozens of copies collecting dust on each store shelf

You could find copies of GTA V on store shelves, by that logic "It absolutely sold below expectations" and failllllllled. From what I gathered, a lot of what many are saying doesn't really support underperforming or below expectations as you'd need to even confirm what those expectations are. So The Last Of Us 2 wasn't suppose to do 7 million in less then 1 month, it was suppose to do 20 million? Starts to sound silly, like moving huge goalpost and having this weird fake measurement like "I saw copies at a store"

 

[Endless Fluff]

Wait, you're comparing second month sales to third month sales to The Last of Us?

It's not devastating when sales slow week by week. It's not a good idea to compare 3rd month sales to second month sales.

Yeah, I'm comparing a new IP with a very niche setting selling way better than one of the most anticipated games of 2020. Heck, for the past years, from one of the most acclaimed studios in the business.

The Last of Us 2 should've way stronger legs.

You could find copies of GTA V on store shelves, by that logic "It absolutely sold below expectations" and failllllllled.

Very disingenuous, I don't expect any less from you guys.

I've said that retailers have dozens of copies on the shelf. Not just ONE. Dozens, that aren't really selling. I see it each week. The massive drop in price in the first two month are extremely unusual. The Special Edition went for 69€ after 4 weeks. The regular version quickly dropped to the mid 40s. This is something I've never seen before with a Sony exclusive.

This is circumstantial evidence for it selling below expectations. Otherwise prices wouldn't have dropped that hard and shelfs wouldn't be overflowing with copies 3 month after launch.

 

[El Pistolero]

NPD August 2020: Madden #1, UFC 4 #2, PGA Tour #14,10 Switch exclusives in top 20; Switch #1 HW and best August ever in the US (in $ sales) Sales

Switch up +109%, PS4 -1%, Xbox -50% (all unit terms). TLOU2 didn't do well in August. About 34k units (only have physical) in August. Madden 305k, Animal Crossing at 179k, Mario Kart 8 130k, Ghosts of Tsushima 122k, GTA V 108k, those are the titles above 100k units, Paper Mario at 78k.

www.resetera.com

The numbers are all physical, according to the guy who provides the numbers.

Maybe it sold 50k with digital.

The fact that you all are still pretending that it wasn't a commercial disappointment reminds me of people saying "but TLJ made 1.3 billion dollars!!!!" while forgetting that TFA made over 2 billion.

It absolutely sold below expectations as is evident by the dozens of copies collecting dust on each store shelf and 34k physical in August for a 3 month old game when Ghost of Tsushima is moving 4x as many copies is devastating for TLOU2.

 

[DForce]

Yeah, I'm comparing a new IP with a very niche setting selling way better than one of the most anticipated games of 2020. Heck, for the past years, from one of the most acclaimed studios in the business.

The Last of Us 2 should've way stronger legs.

Does this mean Uncharted 4 was a flop since it had "bad legs" in the US?

If they wanted to sell a massive amount of copies, then they would've made the game so controversial. They expected backlash. They didn't make a title that was pandering to fans. They specifically stated that fans of the first game will probably hate the second game.


I said many times before, if they release MP and its as popular as the first, then they're going to make a lot more revenue than most of the Biggest PS exclusives this generation.

 

[Endless Fluff]

Does this mean Uncharted 4 was a flop since it had "bad legs" in the US?

If they wanted to sell a massive amount of copies, then they would've made the game so controversial. They expected backlash. They didn't make a title that was pandering to fans. They specifically stated that fans of the first game will probably hate the second game.


I said many times before, if they release MP and its as popular as the first, then they're going to make a lot more revenue than most of the Biggest PS exclusives this generation.

But UC4 had way better legs?

This is also from the reeee thread

NPD August 2020: Madden #1, UFC 4 #2, PGA Tour #14,10 Switch exclusives in top 20; Switch #1 HW and best August ever in the US (in $ sales) Sales

Yes it could help, its really hard to say what's happening with TLOU2. Raw numbers are still okay, so if it stabilises here it will still probably leg on past 10M globally which is amazing but I think some people were expecting better. Also multiplayer could give the game a big boost depending...

www.resetera.com

You can argue however much you like, but compare TLOU2 to the big 3 here. TLOU2 shouldn't be selling like HZD, Ghost of Tsushima or Days Gone (I'm speaking weekly here, after the first two weeks). Especially not with the hype surrounding it. It was massively front loaded and since then it's been nose diving.

But I agree with you, if it had an MP or when that MP launches, then we might see a massive spike. Especially when it's gotten even cheaper by then. I also wait for the price to drop further. I'm not going to judge the game before I've played it, but from the looks of it, I'd say the numbers are disappointing. The awkward silence coming from ND and Sony also don't speak for a lot of confidence. If it were still breaking records they would say so.

The sales trackers could be wrong, but from what we see, it doesn't look all too hot.

 

[DForce]

But UC4 had way better legs?

This is also from the reeee thread

NPD August 2020: Madden #1, UFC 4 #2, PGA Tour #14,10 Switch exclusives in top 20; Switch #1 HW and best August ever in the US (in $ sales) Sales

Yes it could help, its really hard to say what's happening with TLOU2. Raw numbers are still okay, so if it stabilises here it will still probably leg on past 10M globally which is amazing but I think some people were expecting better. Also multiplayer could give the game a big boost depending...

www.resetera.com

You can argue however much you like, but compare TLOU2 to the big 3 here. TLOU2 shouldn't be selling like HZD, Ghost of Tsushima or Days Gone (I'm speaking weekly here, after the first two weeks). Especially not with the hype surrounding it. It was massively front loaded and since then it's been nose diving.

But I agree with you, if it had an MP or when that MP launches, then we might see a massive spike. Especially when it's gotten even cheaper by then. I also wait for the price to drop further. I'm not going to judge the game before I've played it, but from the looks of it, I'd say the numbers are disappointing. The awkward silence coming from ND and Sony also don't speak for a lot of confidence. If it were still breaking records they would say so.

The sales trackers could be wrong, but from what see, it doesn't look all too hot.

Re-read my post.

I said did Uncharted 4 have bad legs in the US.

It dropped out of the top 20 after the second month and wasn't found on the PSN digital charts during the same month.

Uncharted 4 had long legs in the UK, which I stated before. People on here just repeat what they said before while ignoring just about every single thing I've said in my post. lol

 

[LockeKappa]

The lack of self awareness here in this tweet is extraordinary. Hey @ Druckmann & Reset, you do realize Ellie, her lesbianism, Abby's implied buttsex scene & the rest (bigot sandwiches!) are merely the product of a 40+ year old Israeli man's mind, right?

None of them are really diverse, they're just an assortment of vertexes. I know who needs literal therapy & it's not who they project on.

You've never had sex if you think Abby's sex scene is "implied butt sex" Can someone give this guy the birds and the bees speech?

 

[EDMIX]

Yeah, I'm comparing a new IP with a very niche setting selling way better than one of the most anticipated games of 2020. Heck, for the past years, from one of the most acclaimed studios in the business.

The Last of Us 2 should've way stronger legs.

No evidence to argue that though. You are comparing them in different months..... How come you didn't compare that one of them moved 4 million in 3 days and the other moved 2.4 million in 3 days? So it sounds to me like you want to only argue a narrative and if its against something you want to happen, you ignore it and only focus on something that "looks" damning while trying to avoid context, referencing other titles sales history etc.

Ghost of Tsushima sells 2.4 million copies in first 3 days

Ghost of Tsushima sold more than 2.4 million copies in its first three days of sales, making it the PlayStation 4's fastest-selling 1st-party original IP.

venturebeat.com

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'The Last of Us Part II' Sells 4 Million Copies, Breaks PlayStation Record - TheWrap

Naughty Dog's "The Last of Us Part II" is now Sony's fastest-selling first-party game ever

www.thewrap.com

So its simply sounds like you want to only compare it during months to point to some narrative that it MUST be a flop when one could argue this about any fucking game at any one time...... yet, that isn't really how one would measure the overall success of a game.



Uncharted 4 released in May 2016. This is the July top 20 2016 chart

PlayStation Store: July’s Top Downloads

Welcome back! Seems folks are excited for God of War -- GoW III Remastered was the most downloaded PS4 game from PlayStation Store last month! 7 Days to Die took the second-place spot, followed by Naughty Dog's masterful The Last of Us Remastered.

blog.playstation.com

So Uncharted 4 is no where to be found.... Oh look, 7 Days to Die is BEATING Uncharted 4, must be a flop. Goat Simulator is beating Uncharted 4, must be a flop. LittleBigPlanet 3 is outselling Uncharted 4, must mean the game failed.



7 Days To Die sold like 10 million units
LittleBigPlanet 3 moved like 3 million units
Goat Simulator moved like 2.5 million units.

Uncharted 4 MUST have sold less right? Shit, it not even in the top 20...

Uncharted 4 sold over 16M, The Last Of Us over 20M units - WholesGame

Daniel Ahmad, Senior Analyst at Niko Partners, has reported the sales figures of a few Naughty Dog games in light on Uncharted 2’s 10 year anniversary.

wholesgame.com

So I don't know what to say bud, it sounds silly to only cherry pick like this ignoring the bigger picture to try to reach for something you have very little evidence of.

I've said that retailers have dozens of copies on the shelf. Not just ONE. Dozens,

Thats nice. GTA V has many copies on the shelf now too, so that failed too or? Thats a game that literally is on sale every other month, using that logic they must have failed too apparently.

The massive drop in price in the first two month are extremely unusual.

Not really, thats very normal for titles to go on sale like that. Red Dead Redemption 2 literally went on sales the following weeks after release.

Red Dead 2 Deals (Black Friday): Best Places To Buy The Game

Black Friday was replete with discounts on new games, including Rockstar's critically acclaimed open-world title Red Dead Redemption 2.

www.gamespot.com

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Uncharted 4 released in May 2016, discounted on sale in July...

Flash sale: Uncharted 4 discounted on PlayStation Store this weekend

Grab a big saving on Nathan Drake’s acclaimed new adventure

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God Of War 2018 released in April, discounted in July...

Sony Offering God of War 25% Off Discount Codes For Limited-Time Only - PlayStation LifeStyle

Sony are offering PSN users the chance to get a 25% off God of War discount for both the standard and digital deluxe editions of the game.

www.playstationlifestyle.net

Assassins Creed Origin, October 2017 release, on sale November 2017

Assassin's Creed Origins Black Friday 2017 Deals: All PS4, Xbox One, And PC Discounts And Sales

This year's entry into Ubisoft's stealthy-stabby Assassin's Creed series is on sale this Black Friday for PS4, Xbox One, and PC.

www.gamespot.com

Infamous Second son released in March 21st 2014, on sale by May 27 2014

inFAMOUS: Second Son Playstation 4 Game Only US$35.99 On Amazon

inFAMOUS: Second Son is an exclusive action adventure game for the latest Playstation 4 where you play as Delsin Rowe who discover his superhuman power now capable of fighting against

www.greatdeals.com.sg

GTA V released in Sept 17 2013 (funny enough, you could get that shit on sale WITHIN THE WEEK OF RELEASE) all lolz aside, you could get it on sale in Nov 2013

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Rockstar offering Thanksgiving, Black Friday GTA 5 discounts

Host of GTA Online items based on US holiday and shopping event will begin tomorrow and run through Sunday.

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So much for that "games don't go on sale within months if day sold good doe" logic.

Sir...by your logic, all that should be unusual and Red Dead 2, GTA V, Uncharted 4, God Of War and many more should be considered failures based on what you think is or isn't "unusual". So a game dropping in price months after release is not unusual for Sony, that is pretty normal for the majority of the industry btw.

As to why we even make those funny comments about Nintendo games staying full price for years on end.....because that isn't actually normal in the industry.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Damn, can you guys share some of that free time with me?

 

[Endless Fluff]

Re-read my post.

I said did Uncharted 4 have bad legs in the US.

It dropped out of the top 20 after the second month and wasn't found on the PSN digital charts during the same month.

Uncharted 4 had long legs in the UK, which I stated before. People on here just repeat what they said before while ignoring just about every single thing I've said in my post. lol

You asked if UC4 was a flop because of it's bad legs in the US. I answered with no by saying that it had generally way better legs. I even gave you a graph for world wide sales.

Week 9 and 10: 380k UC4, TLOU2 210k.

TLOU2 is doing worse long term than HZD and Days Gone. It barely beats out Ghost of Tsushima. Now, you could argue that this is because it was so front loaded, but I'd argue that it should've at least sold as many copies as God of War.

No evidence to argue that though. You are comparing them in different months..... How come you didn't compare that one of them moved 4 million in 3 days and the other moved 2.4 million in 3 days?

We are comparing legs here. Front loaded sells aren't being debated, the game dropped out of the charts, it is selling badly NOW. It's the whole point of this thread. No one says that TLOU2 sold badly early on.

And no evidence? The evidence is posted above in the post you quoted. The retail figures for August which I'm basing this statement on.

34k copies TLOU2
122k copies Ghost

Not really, thats very normal for titles to go on sale like that. Red Dead Redemption 2 literally went on sales the following weeks after release.

So much for that "games don't go on sale within months if day sold good doe" logic.

You are completely missing the mark here. I'm not talking about sales as in limited time deals.

I'm talking about prices crashing down because no one buys the product and stores wanting to get rid of inventory.

remember this shit here?

Now I'm not saying that TLOU2 did as bad as Anthem, but I see shelves full of unsold TLOU2 copies and then I look at prices online.

3 weeks (July 7th) after launch the SE was reduced to 70€ and has been there ever since. It fell down from 100€ to 85€ after a week, down to 80€ after 10 days. I know this so well, because I was contemplating buying it and was getting "price alarms". 20€ down after 10 days, 30 after 3, is not normal for any PS exclusive Special Edition.

The Standard edition took a month to drop down to 45€, but also fell down to 50€ very quickly. Which isn't normal either, for a PS exclusive. It's normal for 3rd party games, though.

For comparison: Ghost of Tsushima took 2 month for the first prices in the 45€ region. The SE started at 85€, jumped up to 120€ and is now at 80€. That one is barely dropping in price, the same is true for the FF7 Remake which is still 90€.

Because supply and demand dictate the prices in retail (I'm pretty sure you know that)... and it is obvious that there is too much TLOU2 supply in retail. With the game falling out of the PSN charts it's painstakingly obvious that people ain't buying. And I'm not even talking about the asian market here where you have stories about retail stores dumping the game at 50% off in the first month since it sold even worse over there.

I know that it did a lot better in the US, the SE was even sold out on Amazon.com for a while which I checked after I saw the price crashing down so hard... but it doesn't matter anyways, we have the numbers up until week 10 and it's doing "badly", unless you really want to tell me that selling as well as new IPs (Ghost, HZD, Days Gone) in week 9 and 10 is good for a game like The Last of Us 2.

Especially when you consider that we are at the end of the generation with 120m PS4s sold, during a pandemic where switches sell like mad and it's one of the biggest launches of the gen.

 

[DForce]

You asked if UC4 was a flop because of it's bad legs in the US. I answered with no by saying that it had generally way better legs. I even gave you a graph for world wide sales.

Want to bring me the better legs stats in the US then? Since I asked you specifically about the legs IN the US only?

 

[Mercenary09]

"It's a massive flop considering the staff and amount of money"

MP will generate a lot of money if its successful, but you want to tell me that this doesn't have no impact on making money from this budget Sony gave them.

You're just going to repeat yourself over and over again.

Ask Mat from NPD or ZhugeEX if the game is a flop or has terrible legs.

They won't do that because they'll look like more of a clown than they already do.