DonkeyKong
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That is true and a good point, they should make it clearer
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Sinthor
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Yeah, it's kind of odd too. I think maybe there's some kind of software issue they're still working on that may be keeping them from showing much.... Maybe???
MasterCornholio
Member
The best thing that they can do is demonstrate the I/O with next gen games. Like showing how long it takes to start playing a game from a cold boot could be a good idea for them.
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Empire Strikes Back
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It'd make the PS4 the new PS2. With a price cut.
kyliethicc
Member
That guy is a lead engine programmer on Doom Eternal. He knows tech. Series S is looking bad for game dev.
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Nickolaidas
Member
Huh. I expected Timdog to tweet this nonsense.
So what have we learned so far? That both a 12TF as well as a 4TF console can outperform the PS5. At this rate, they'll tweet that a SNES performs better than the PS5.
Well, let them. After a few months, the games will do the talking.
Dodkrake
Banned
And is the outer world's on PC is optimized? For what? That's just BS. Whatever it is, MSs promise of quantum tunneling in loading their games, that their zealots online were defending, is a load of nothing.
Lysandros
Member
That 2 GB at 56 GB/s can't be GDDR6 right? It's slower than Xbox One's 68 GB/s of DDR3.. So it's 8 GB of GDDR6 at 224 GB/s + 2 GB of DDR3?
BGs
Industry Professional
Really thanks. Do you know if it has Spanish subtitles?
THE:MILKMAN
Member
One of the chips is in clamshell mode. All GDDR6.
kyliethicc
Member
No. No DDR3. The One had a 256 bit interface.
Series S has 5 x 2 GB of GDDR6 with 128 bit interface. 32 bit memory controllers x4.
2 of the chips share a controller, but the last 2 GB is not interleaved evenly so its only using 1 of the 4 controllers.
14 Gbps x32 /8 = 56 GB/s
14 Gbps x128 /8 = 224 GB/s
They could have had unified bandwidth if they had just gone with 8 GB or 12 GB. Or had used 5 memory controllers, if thats possible. They clearly cut costs (controllers) as much as possible, because the memory controllers take up space on the die.
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FranXico
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My goodness. This Universe cannot fit so much stupidity.
Why do MS PR even join their podcasts? Nevermind, I know the answer.
kyliethicc
Member
"Digital Foundry does good work."
Lysandros
Member
Well it's a sponsored video, they 'must' be very positive about it. DF always had an examplary work ethic..
FunkMiller
Gold Member
The desperation for social media impact drips off everything they do. In a world where Sony generates more for a logo reveal than an entire competitor console, I guess it’s understandable.
You see that.. Clear and Concise. Unlike Osirisblack who riddled and spread misinformation. Oh. And where’s that game he described? We’re still waiting lol.
Lysandros
Member
Okay, thanks for the explanation.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Miniature Kaiju over Era spotted something that virtually confirms the 5th chip:
That is a raised section where a GDDR6 chip thermal pad contacts the metal.
That is a raised section where a GDDR6 chip thermal pad contacts the metal.
Osiris knew nothing lol. He riddled away, and not one thing came true.
Do you remember when he implied the CGI dragon in the Baulders Gate trailer was real time and what the game would look like.. Until someone had to point out it was a CGI trailer.
FranXico
Member
How dare you question their integrity, you fanatic conspiracy theorists! Richard rightly called you lot out in his sponsored NVidia 3080 benchmark video!
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kyliethicc
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Faithless83
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I don't know man, the guy made us dream and not everything is out of the picture yet.
There is still the konami thing that's been rumored for a while now... who knows.
Imtjnotu
Member
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Of course. No way that thing is outputting the same textures, effects, or RT as any of the other two machines.
MasterCornholio
Member
I've seen people make claims that resolution will be the only thing that changes. But how can they say that after seeing the specifications?
mejin
Member
MS can't afford to abandon their toxic community.
kyliethicc
Member
And don't worry, Richard said they didn't help with that Series S at 120 FPS footage.
Because for DF to take part in an official promotional video for Xbox... wouldn't be very impartial or professional, of course.
Thankfully it was just a happy coincidence. Microsoft just so happened to use the exact same overlays. Funny.
Faithless83
Banned
Technically oblivious?
Edit: Maybe they'll go really low on resolution and use a DLSS like solution?
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THE:MILKMAN
Member
Yup. I thinkDaGwaphics said this too few pages back
Damn 30 pages ago! I think he was more taking the mick at the thought of a GDDR6 being on the back.....And now there is!
A lot of maths is involved with how it works that gives me a damn headache but think it means it runs in clamshell mode which in turn means quarter BW so 224/4 =56GB/s.
Or something....
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zaitsu
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Microsoft Foundry.And don't worry, Richard said they didn't help with that Series S at 120 FPS footage.
Because for DF to take part in an official promotional video for Xbox... wouldn't be very impartial or professional, of course.
Thankfully it was just a happy coincidence. Microsoft just so happened to use the exact same overlays. Funny.
Gosh.
Comparision between PS5 and XSX will be cruel for Sony fans.
Dibils2k
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i really dont get this logic, thats like saying every reviewer that gets free copies is sponsored lol DF is the most popular game tech breakdown site/channel so MS would go to them to show off their console
DF isnt paid directly for it so it can't be a sponsorship
kyliethicc
Member
Its just that they have 4 x 32 bit lanes, so the bandwidth is always split unless the ram is evenly distributed across all lanes.
Series S is 4 x 32 bit lanes. It has 2 GB each x 5 chips. Budget set up to cut cost.
The first 4 GB (1 GB per 4 chips) use the full 4 lanes. (14x128/8=224)
The next 4 GB (1 GB per 4 chips) use the full 4 lanes. (14x128/8=224)
The next 1 GB (1 GB per the 5th chip) uses just 1 lane. (14x32/8=56)
The last 1 GB (1 GB per the 5th chip) uses just 1 lane. (14x32/8=56)
gojira96
Member
From what I gather, Europe has around 800 million people? USA/Canada have less than 400 million.One of the greatest misconceptions peddled by some folks around here is that Sony marketing is geared mainly towards the US market:
Hate to break it to you America, but you’re less important than you think you are!
So yeah, there's that.
HAL-01
Member
That’s infinity ward, remedy, and now Id software. I’m pretty sure this console will be relayed to a 1080p machine a couple years into the gen. True next gen engines and features will make that box suffer
That guy is a lead engine programmer on Doom Eternal. He knows tech. Series S is looking bad for game dev.
kyliethicc
Member
1080p / dynamic... on medium to low settings too.
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Md Ray
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Whoa... This is coming from a Lead Engine Programmer @ id Software, one of the best studios in the industry at optimizing the shit out of their engine. I get the impression that PS5, like PS4, is again going to be the easiest console to develop for. SX and SS split memory banks seem like it's going to cause some hindrance.
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Ptarmiganx2
Member
Or maybe software can't defy the laws of physics and mimic dedicated hardware.
FranXico
Member
Well, reviews where the reviewer got a free copy are indeed sponsored.
There's a reason that they are required to disclose they received said review copy.
kyliethicc
Member
Yup this is another huge flaw in the S.¿Is this confirmed?
The One X will play better versions of Xbox One games than the Series S can. Oof.
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DaGwaphics
Member
Yup. I think
Totally missed it at first though. I would expect this will quietly disappear as soon as 32Gb GDDR6 is mainstream.
Dibils2k
Member
any worthwhile reviewer gets free copy, how many times is it mentioned?? i think only sony forces people to disclose "provided by sony" but again thats not "sponsored by"
Neo Blaster
Member
Is next week reserved for smartphones? There'll be Iphone and Xperia showings.It makes sense that it was a planned leak with Xbox. They thought Sony would have announcements on the anniversary and tried to steal their thunder. Look how fast the got those “unboxing” videos out. Now apple will steal their thunder next week and after that the Ps5 will have all eyes on them. They blew their load to early imho
kyliethicc
Member
Its the FTC in the US who forces all reviews to mention it, its law. Any plenty of good reviewers don't get free copies.
Dibils2k
Member
honestly its the worst looking remake i have ever seen
MasterCornholio
Member
It's how they managed to get the price so low among other things. Something had to give.
Md Ray
Member
Most likely a 32-bit bus. Very much like GTX 970's 0.5 GB segment.
Dibils2k
Member
i am pretty sure you are confusing it with paid sponsorship
please show me a game review from lets say IGN mentioning they got a free copy
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