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Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
And it's still going to be irrelevant until AMD learns to make competitive drivers, which is likely going to be never.
Golgo 13
The Man With The Golden Dong
This. AMD drivers are fucking atrocious and make everyone who tries them run screaming back to Nvidia, even if they have to pay double. It’s a sad state of affairs
existensmaximum
Member
Wow, they're that bad? I haven't owned an AMD GPU for over ten years so I wouldn't know.
What's so bad about them?
Edit: the drivers, that is. What's wrong with the drivers?
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Blitzmangoman
Member
The drivers. Can't you read?
DonJuanSchlong
Banned
Not true.
llien
says AMD>Nvidia. Haven't you seen the countless threads? I'd love to see what he thinks tomorrow, if they show their lineup finally.
llien
Member
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But, you know what, you don't need to invent reasons to
Embrace proprietary crap, so what if it is likely to fall victim of Huang's greed (e.g. OpenGL, PhysX, G-Sync, "DLSS true ML", soon to join the bunch: "DLSS mostly TAA" maybe later) after all, we got new and better stuff (DirectX/Vulkan, FreeSync (turned into all sorts of VRR standards), FEM library, FidelityFX, open standards/kits for all GPUs) right? Although later on and from a different company, I don't remember what it's called, but I think it starts with A.
Use price/perf of the $1.2k GPU to justify purchase of a $500 GPU.
It is OK.
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Unknown Soldier
Member
The joke has always been, people who were previously devoted to ATI/AMD would buy Nvidia and suddenly be shocked. "Is this what it's supposed to be like? Everything just works!"
The RDNA architecture drivers have been a cosmic horror so far, so unless AMD really turns things around with RDNA2 they are kinda fucked since they'll have shit drivers and also not have competitive RTX performance or DLSS of any kind. Good luck, AMD!
The RDNA architecture drivers have been a cosmic horror so far, so unless AMD really turns things around with RDNA2 they are kinda fucked since they'll have shit drivers and also not have competitive RTX performance or DLSS of any kind. Good luck, AMD!
existensmaximum
Member
Dude, what's up with the attitude?
What's wrong with -the drivers-, are they that bad? That's what I meant.
My RX580 machine stutters on literally everything after latest driver update. Seems to be a common issue.
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Unknown Soldier
Member
It's so strange how I never see anything like this on the Nvidia subreddit but these threads are a daily occurrence on the AMD subreddit even though AMD GPU market share is so much lower than Nvidia.
llien
Member
Yeah:
EVGA
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NVIDIA
Gigabyte
Unable to play anything with a new RTX 2080 Ti - games crash | GIGABYTE USA Forum
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Batlefield
Battlefield | Forum | EA Answers HQ | EN
Check out the Answers HQ community forums for the Battlefield franchise.
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Need more?
Some analysis (oh wait, they mention there was a bunch of reddit posts about it, how could you've missed it?):
RTX 2080 Ti Failure Analysis: Artifacting, Crashing, Black Screens, & Physical Defects | GamersNexus
stub The RTX 2080 Ti failures aren’t as widespread as they might have seemed from initial reddit threads, but they are absolutely real. When discussing internally whether we thought the issue of artifacting and dying RTX cards had been blown out of proportion by the internet, we had two frames...
AMD subreddit is much larger than NV's, and has green boi all over the place.
But not the other way round.
Oh wait, you, an NV user were doing something on AMD subreddit, right?
RMA rates on the glorious NV cards are also remarkable.
Unit wise, around 2:1.
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MH3M3D
Member
I'm using an RX 5500 XT temporarily for the last 7 months (waiting for next-gen AMD/Nvidia). You can play many games in 1080P high / 1440P medium @ 60fps with no problems. People make it seem like AMD drivers are game-breaking afwul. So far I didn't come across problems that I didn't have on my old Nvidia cards. I still like Geforce experience more than AMD's version of that, but that's about it.
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llien
Member
There are reviewers who were using 5700 series GPUs intensively, for months (for themselves, not just testing) in various configurations, yet had zero (null, ноль, ნული) issues.
This doesn't go well with "terrible drivers" song, that coincidentally hit when 5700 started to kick 2070/2060 asses. The most likely case is hardware problems written off to driver problems, amplified by NV paid/fanboi trolls.
Amaranty
Member
He was asking what's bad about the drivers. Can't you read?
Blitzmangoman
Member
No humor I guess. Chill.
Also never had problems with my Radeon drivers. It's mostly people with crossfire cards that get problems.
Stilton Disco
Member
I wonder if the timing is related to the rumoured PS5 price/info reveal stuff that might happen today.
Maybe there's going to be some new tech stuff that will be revealed there that will be gone into in further detail by AMD themselves.
Maybe there's going to be some new tech stuff that will be revealed there that will be gone into in further detail by AMD themselves.
MightySquirrel
Banned
Theres a thread already on this.
I think its Zen 3 reveal morrow, not Navi2.
I think its Zen 3 reveal morrow, not Navi2.
CuNi
Member
I prefer both tbh. CPU would be awesome though. Waiting for Vermeer chips to finalize my PC build.
vaibhavpisal
Member
i am using AMD for some time. No idea they have bad drivers till I read here.
Memorabilia
Member
One of my backup PCs has an RX 480 in it and hasn't experienced any wonkiness that I've seen since doing a series of updates this past week. I'll keep an eye on it but all the complaints about bad drivers seem to be exaggerated to some degree.
That said, for now I use and prefer nVidia GPUs for my main rig and my slim SFF HTPC builds as nVidia simply has products which fit my needs better over the past couple generations. I do like the RX 480 vs the 1060 I still have, but when it came time to upgrade I went 2060 without a second thought (and a couple low profile 1650s for my HTPCs).
I wouldn't say driver problems had much to do with my decision, however.
Its beginning to feel like RDNA1 was a bit of a beta product. I'm rooting for AMD to knock it out of the park with RDNA2 and give me a good reason to go with them instead of a 3070 or 3080. Better relative price performance and *efficiency* would be a good start.
Ellery
Member
(I am using Nvidia right now, but used AMD before that for 5 years)
I always loved it when Nvidia fanboys, who have never used an AMD card in their lives, kept telling me how bad AMD drivers were whilst I was using an AMD card and AMD driver for many years with absolutely no driver issues at all. Pure insanity how stupid mouth propaganda spreads.
But like my computer science teacher always said : Basically all issues regarding a Computer ... sit in front of it.
prinz_valium
Member
Sony said no next-gen news this week
Arun1910
Member
They said no next gen news at todays event, not the whole week?
Ascend
Member
It's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. Everyone acts as if the AMD graphics drivers will let your PC catch fire.
People also forget that their chipset drivers used to be atrocious, yet everyone is now running Ryzen, which is still susceptible to the same driver quality. Why? The chipset drivers and graphics drivers come in the same package.
But for some reason, people keep repeating this mantra of the graphics drivers being the devil, and, it's mostly people that haven't even used an AMD graphics card lately. But Ryzen is bliss though!
OnThePathToWisdom
Member
Nvidia probably pays a good amount of money to help spread these rumours. Wouldn't put it past them seeing their track record.
Maddux4164
Member
I’ve never owned an AMD GPU. Technically when I had an Athlon 64, it had an integrated GPU I imagine.
Sorry AMD, ya simply got to do BETTER.
Sorry AMD, ya simply got to do BETTER.
llien
Member
Newest trend on /r/amd is 2-3 week old accs speaking about how insanely important DLSS upscaling is. RT, curiously, comes in as second.
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danielJackson
Banned
Unless there is unbiased evidence, I call this fanboy bullshit.
I had ATI GPUs and AMD ones after they bought ATI, and only ATI times there were problems, but everything had problems back then.
And even then(2000-2013 when I had gaming PC) nvidia fanboys spammed this driver bullshit without even having amd cards.
So which is more probable, AMD having shitty drivers for years and years, or fanboys being idiots for years for years
llien
Member
Most people just stick with the brand. More than just being better is needed to make them switch. It needs to be overwhelmingly better. Fermi times is a good example of just how tall that wall is.
On top of it, FUD campaigns are very effective. Putin knows it. Huang knows it. Trump knows it. Dems know it.
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Ascend
Member
This dude is hated by many, but once again I have to post this video. Everyone loves to slam him, but barely anyone can actually prove his points wrong. No one has been able to prove this video wrong. Most simply rely on avoidance
And this;
Everyone forgets all the times that nVidia released drivers that actually killed cards;
www.zdnet.com
thinkcomputers.org
Want recent stuff? Go here and scroll down.
Anyone can play this game of "bad drivers".
And this;
Everyone forgets all the times that nVidia released drivers that actually killed cards;
WARNING! NVIDIA 196.75 drivers can kill your graphics card
I'm getting a steady stream of reports in from NVIDIA users that the latest 196.75 drivers can cause severe cooling problems, even possibly resulting in the death of the hardware.
www.zdnet.com
Nvidia 320.18 WHQL Display Driver is Damaging GPUs | ModCrash
Evidence that Nvidia 320.18 WHQL Display Driver is Damaging GPUs. We've gathered the data and built the timelime... it's not pretty.
modcrash.com
Latest NVIDIA Driver is Apparently Killing GPUs
NVIDIA's latest driver release, 364.72 apparently is plagued with issues and apparently has even been killing gamer's GPUs! Reports of issues with this specific driver have been all over the GeForce Forums, Reddit, and many other forums.
thinkcomputers.org
Want recent stuff? Go here and scroll down.
Anyone can play this game of "bad drivers".
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namekuseijin
Banned
it is already tomorrow, isn't it?
anyway, it's either a bike or their PS5 custom additions
anyway, it's either a bike or their PS5 custom additions
AquaticSquirrel
Member
I've been using a Vega 64 since March 2019, haven't had any driver issues that I'm aware of.
windows 10 rx580 mouse stutter - Google Search
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This is what I am experiencing right now. The entire system hangs up as if the PCIe connection was breaking up. I have tried the same system with a 1080 Ti and it was perfectly fine, I tried multiple clean reinstallations of the drivers and it does not help.
I had all of the recent AMD cards, went from Fury X to Vega 64 to Radeon 7 to 5700 XT - most from Sapphire. Other than Fury X which was watercooled, all of them had issues with pretty much every driver update. I still buy their products to support the underdog (and they drop in value extremely quickly so it's easy to get them cheap on ebay), but I am not going to pretend that there are no issues.
The market share boost that AMD got a few years back stemmed mainly from mining, which can be easily proven looking at steam surveys.
MH3M3D
Member
If you keep buying the most expensive cards they make, you essentially buy the ones they sell the least and spend the least time troubleshooting. My strategy is buy mid-tier and replace faster.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
This dude is hated by many, but once again I have to post this video. Everyone loves to slam him, but barely anyone can actually prove his points wrong. No one has been able to prove this video wrong. Most simply rely on avoidance
And this;
Everyone forgets all the times that nVidia released drivers that actually killed cards;
WARNING! NVIDIA 196.75 drivers can kill your graphics card
I'm getting a steady stream of reports in from NVIDIA users that the latest 196.75 drivers can cause severe cooling problems, even possibly resulting in the death of the hardware.
Nvidia 320.18 WHQL Display Driver is Damaging GPUs | ModCrash
Evidence that Nvidia 320.18 WHQL Display Driver is Damaging GPUs. We've gathered the data and built the timelime... it's not pretty.modcrash.com
Latest NVIDIA Driver is Apparently Killing GPUs
NVIDIA's latest driver release, 364.72 apparently is plagued with issues and apparently has even been killing gamer's GPUs! Reports of issues with this specific driver have been all over the GeForce Forums, Reddit, and many other forums.
Want recent stuff? Go here and scroll down.
Anyone can play this game of "bad drivers".
What a silly fanboy take.
There's a massive difference between few and far between specific driver releases that have issues and having a consistently inferior driver suite, which is the problem AMD objectively has.
Imagine trying to support one's argument with a teletubbier's opinion.
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Ascend
Member
Click the last link of that post, and tell me there isn't a constant flow if issues on nVidia's own forums regarding their own drivers. What a silly fanboy take indeed...What a silly fanboy take.
There's a massive difference between few and far between releases that have issues and having a consistently inferior driver suite, which is the problem AMD objectively has.
Imagine trying to support one's argument with a teletubbier's opinion.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
It is not, and only someone who never owned an Nvidia card would think it is.
You should likely read less sensationalist websites (the last one you mention uses one of the least respected "tech" sites on the internet as a source) and watch less teletubbiers and make your own opinion, because honestly, there are few things as absolutely ridiculous as trying to defend AMD's abysmal approach to drivers with the very sparse issues Nvidia's have.
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