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[Agnostic2020]

I'm not saying this will happen but which one would be better, faster ram or more ram?

Always more ram. Speed are so close now a days so more ram makes up the speed difference and then some

 

[kretos]

So now we are going to criticize a platform because many of its games are third person, man try another hobby.

maybe he loves the Xbox template instead

 

[Neo Blaster]

Same as every PS4 third person action exclusive game?

You're going to improve that poor trolling if you want to stay here, pal.

 

[makaveli60]

This game is great, imagine how the sequel will look like on PS5

Yep, between this, Tlou 2 and my new XG90 TV I feel like nextgen has started already for me.

Edit: though the wait is killing me, fucking soooony

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

If back compat is locked to PS Now they are going to get a lot of shit for it. I mean, if PS Now is their solution for BC they can just simply "unlock" the game if you already have the game in your account or you can insert the disk and it redirects you to PS Now to play it, as simple as that. But yeah, let's see if this ends up being true.

 

[Moridianae]

I would think if PS5 did have a spec bump of any kind, we would've heard by now from reputable sources..

But we haven't heard much of anything, so who knows. They seem to able to keep *anything* locked down tighter than any company I've seen in some time.

 

[ksdixon]

As launch titles?

Sure, why not? A man can dream lol

 

[Agnostic2020]

I would think if PS5 did have a spec bump of any kind, we would've heard by now from reputable sources..

But we haven't heard much of anything, so who knows. They seem to able to keep *anything* locked down tighter than any company I've seen in some time.

No there is nonspec bump to memory or anything else for that matter. These thing have been being produced since June.

 

[roops67]

Luhhhhdies uhnd juhhhntlemen!

You still trying hard to hide that Brummie accent

 

[ksdixon]

I suspect Microsoft originally wanted to flank the PS5 on price/power like they did with PS4. (X at 500, PS5 at 400, S at 300.)

I think Sony created the digital PS5 to cut out retailers and make more money from their store, but I bet it was also a way to lower the PS5 entry price in anticipation of a lower priced next gen Xbox. I think they know the S is also digital only.

Microsoft must be holding back on annoucning the S until they know Sony's price. They must want to know how low they need to go to undercut the PS5 and probably hoped Sony would say price in June.

Sony seems to know this and is holding back on saying a price. They must want to go after Microsoft.

Yeah, this has been known. The question is why does it matter? Xbox gonna release a cheap but gimped version of their box, compared to the main course. But both of their boxes lack a killer app/game. There's gamepass, and you'll probably get 3 months free in the box. And there's BC. Are those the only reason why you buy a new console? If people are going to be cheap about it, they can buy someone's launch XB1/S for like 30 on Facebook. If people want "powah", well, id be pretty pissed at having all this powah and playing old games on it. Seems loose loose to me.

Whereas with Sony you might see that middle of the pack price and pull your face a bit, but then you see the game, graphics and load time improvements combination as well. You also see Sony spanking MS with exclusive games/content deals and times marketing deals like early cod crap. Microsoft are somewhat irrelevant to Sony's pricing. Especially if you take into account the current marketshare/playerbase. Is it still 2:1 or 3:1, etc.

 

[Mahavastu]

is there an actual report on series x mass production? We’ve seen Sony, but I don’t recall seeing something similar on the x

There were rumors in late may / early june, that production started, 1-2 weeks before Sony did.
Around 1 month ago some XBox higher ups reported that they have the real retail box at home, mass produced and in its final packaging.

So the hardware should be ready

 

[ksdixon]

Welp--

Assuming the standard launch window based on things like CoD, etc...we're roughly...8 weeks, give or take a week, from launch of both systems to the public.

No UI.
No date.
No price.
No confirmed launch titles.
No BC details on PS4(predominantly from Sony).
No Series S reveal(assuming it hits at the same time, which I doubt by this point)

What a wild time.

I thought XBSX was reusing XB1's dashboard?

 

[Mahavastu]

PlayStation profits last quarter were the same as Xbox revenue.

I don’t think they honestly care about PSNow or GamePass that much.

They DO care about PSNow: they were really proud that within 2 years PSNow xgot the subscriber number up from 400K to over 2Mio.
They also work together with Microsoft (what irony) to improve the quality (ping, resolution) and the number of countries of PSNow. I also guess Sony increases the number of devices to offer the service for.

I guess we will have to wait for the next large event for more informations about how they want to make that service more attractive

 

[bitbydeath]

There were rumors in late may / early june, that production started, 1-2 weeks before Sony did.
Around 1 month ago some XBox higher ups reported that they have the real retail box at home, mass produced and in its final packaging.

So the hardware should be ready

Phil claimed he had it at his house last year.

 

[yewles1]

They DO care about PSNow: they were really proud that within 2 years PSNow xgot the subscriber number up from 400K to over 2Mio.
They also work together with Microsoft (what irony) to improve the quality (ping, resolution) and the number of countries of PSNow. I also guess Sony increases the number of devices to offer the service for.

I guess we will have to wait for the next large event for more informations about how they want to make that service more attractive

They probably went with Azure because even MS finally learned putting Windows on a server is not the best of ideas.

 

[Mahavastu]

Phil claimed he had it at his house last year.

that was not the final retail box from mass manufacturing
probably more some kind of prototype to find potential problems and test stuff

 

[Killer Sakoman]

Did Sony not outline this EXACTLY during the road to PS5 event?

FUDs.... FUDs never changes.

 

[bitbydeath]

that was not the final retail box from mass manufacturing
probably more some kind of prototype to find potential problems and test stuff

Maybe. Phil is quite well known for his lies so it may have just been his typical BS too.

 

[Moridianae]

20 pages left to 3000. Will Sony or Microsoft speak before then?? Time will tell.

 

[12Dannu123]

Some time ago Superdata showed a chart including revenue from services like EA Access/Origin, Gamepass and PS Now, and guess which one had more than half of it? I agree with you Sony have been lacking commitment to expanding the service, but lately they have improved the quality of incoming games and showed interest in increasing the use of streaming for next gen, thus investing more on their service.

Revenue is irrelevant if there is no user base for it. Do you think developers are interested in putting their games on a service that makes the most money, but has the smallest user base?

The evidence so far suggests otherwise. Also, no one who is going to be streaming-only will want to spend $60 to purchase AAA games. It runs into the same problem as Stadia, especially if those people consider consoles and PCs expensive.

Why would they even care about changing it if they've sold 1.4 billion games that they have 30-100% share of them? Debt will accumulate even more than you expect and it'll eventually kill the Xbox as a division. The smartest cloud service I think the nvidia type that you play the games you've already purchased, but even that isn't working yet.

Debt is cheap, Xbox Division has the money of a Big Tech company, as long as Microsoft and investors are willing to be 'In the Red' for the short and medium-term, Game Pass will continue to be losing Billions, but will be growing quickly. That's how Netflix is worth more than Sony but makes less than Sony overall, investors value growth over profit at this moment.

The economics and business model of PS is what will continue to hold back PSNow and will result in Game Pass being the dominant subscription gaming service. Sony can continue to focus in traditional gaming, but it will mean they will likely not a big player in the streaming market, they'll be competing against the monopolistic power of Big tech and ISPs.

 

[ArcaneNLSC]

20 pages left to 3000. Will Sony or Microsoft speak before then?? Time will tell.

Waiting for the thread to reach page 3000 like

 

[Mahavastu]

I would think if PS5 did have a spec bump of any kind, we would've heard by now from reputable sources..

But we haven't heard much of anything, so who knows. They seem to able to keep *anything* locked down tighter than any company I've seen in some time.

Small example: in one interview in the early PS4 days Marc Cerny himself said, that even he did not knew how the PS4 looks like until the box was revealed on stage

I assume that Sony/Playstation has a very tight regime for keeping important secrets, and only very few people know about the real important stuff, so a potential leaker can be found easily.

 

[kyliethicc]

Small example: in one interview in the early PS4 days Marc Cerny himself said, that even he did not knew how the PS4 looks like until the box was revealed on stage

I assume that Sony/Playstation has a very tight regime for keeping important secrets, and only very few people know about the real important stuff, so a potential leaker can be found easily.

Cerny said he chose to not see the design early because he likes the surprise of seeing it with everyone else. He was definitely offered a chance to see it at some point before the show, he just declined and waited.

Andrew House said that before he chose the final PS4 design, only the designers, himself, and 1 or 2 others had seen any of the possible designs. So Sony does seem to keep their secrets guarded.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Revenue is irrelevant if there is no user base for it. Do you think developers are interested in putting their games on a service that makes the most money, but has the smallest user base?

The evidence so far suggests otherwise. Also, no one who is going to be streaming-only will want to spend $60 to purchase AAA games. It runs into the same problem as Stadia, especially if those people consider consoles and PCs expensive.



Debt is cheap, Xbox Division has the money of a Big Tech company, as long as Microsoft and investors are willing to be 'In the Red' for the short and medium-term, Game Pass will continue to be losing Billions, but will be growing quickly. That's how Netflix is worth more than Sony but makes less than Sony overall, investors value growth over profit at this moment.

The economics and business model of PS is what will continue to hold back PSNow and will result in Game Pass being the dominant subscription gaming service.

Uh, you're one of those with the war chest BS that never exists?

 

[Killer Sakoman]

Revenue is irrelevant if there is no user base for it. Do you think developers are interested in putting their games on a service that makes the most money, but has the smallest user base?

The evidence so far suggests otherwise. Also, no one who is going to be streaming-only will want to spend $60 to purchase AAA games. It runs into the same problem as Stadia, especially if those people consider consoles and PCs expensive.



Debt is cheap, Xbox Division has the money of a Big Tech company, as long as Microsoft and investors are willing to be 'In the Red' for the short and medium-term, Game Pass will continue to be losing Billions, but will be growing quickly. That's how Netflix is worth more than Sony but makes less than Sony overall, investors value growth over profit at this moment.

The economics and business model of PS is what will continue to hold back PSNow and will result in Game Pass being the dominant subscription gaming service. Sony can continue to focus in traditional gaming, but it will mean they will likely not a big player in the streaming market, they'll be competing against the monopolistic power of Big tech and ISPs.

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

There's gamepass, and you'll probably get 3 months free in the box. And there's BC. Are those the only reason why you buy a new console? If people are going to be cheap about it, they can buy someone's launch XB1/S for like 30 on Facebook. If people want "powah", well, id be pretty pissed at having all this powah and playing old games on it. Seems loose loose to me.
...Whereas with Sony you might see that middle of the pack price and pull your face a bit, .....
Microsoft are somewhat irrelevant to Sony's pricing. Especially if you take into account the current marketshare/playerbase. Is it still 2:1 or 3:1, etc.

the best console versions of cyberpunk and call of duty are "old games"?
this is out-of-the-box best games of the holidays, maybe of the year.
and if microsoft is irrelevant to sony's pricing, why doesnt sony announce?
after all, they are the market leader right now...

 

[BoxFresh123]

Imagine if Sony have already paid to have the first post on page 3000 to announce pre-orders and price.

 

[HawarMiran]

Imagine if Sony have already paid to have the first post on page 3000 to announce pre-orders and price.

okay lets spam this thread

 

[Ptarmiganx2]

Interesting....

Well they have a lot to be angry about...lol

 

[hemo memo]

20 pages left to 3000. Will Sony or Microsoft speak before then?? Time will tell.

I don’t know about Microsoft but we are probably still 150-200 pages away from Sony price/pre-order event announcement.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Did Sony not outline this EXACTLY during the road to PS5 event?

Why not correct this person with 300 followers on twitter itself, where this was posted?

What is the fucking point of posting this shit?

You know what I do?

I avoid twitter.. because it FUCKING SUCKS.

Seriously fuck the fuck off with this shit. Ban me for all I care at this point, mods here need to stop this garbage.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Revenue is irrelevant if there is no user base for it. Do you think developers are interested in putting their games on a service that makes the most money, but has the smallest user base?

The evidence so far suggests otherwise. Also, no one who is going to be streaming-only will want to spend $60 to purchase AAA games. It runs into the same problem as Stadia, especially if those people consider consoles and PCs expensive.



Debt is cheap, Xbox Division has the money of a Big Tech company, as long as Microsoft and investors are willing to be 'In the Red' for the short and medium-term, Game Pass will continue to be losing Billions, but will be growing quickly. That's how Netflix is worth more than Sony but makes less than Sony overall, investors value growth over profit at this moment.

Once again people think MS money is Xbox money, one can't be more naive than that.

And talking about userbase, how many of those Gamepass 10kk users came in for the $1 promotion? What I really would want to know is how many would stay if MS scrapped this.

 

[KURDISTAN YPG]

Same as every PS4 third person action exclusive game?

Edit i suck at gifs

 

[12Dannu123]

Once again people think MS money is Xbox money, one can't be more naive than that.

And talking about userbase, how many of those Gamepass 10kk users came in for the $1 promotion? What I really would want to know is how many would stay if MS scrapped this.

I never said that MS money is Xbox money. I said that as long as Microsoft is willing to continue to value the long term gain of Game Pass over the short and medium-term, then MS will be willing to continue with the Game Pass initiative. This isn't the first time MS has transitioned a one-purchase business model to a subscription model. MS 365 is a good example and they lost billions because of it, but the long term gain outweighed the short term pain.

The same logic likely applies to Game Pass. MS could be prepared to not have a profit at all for the short term, but prepared to make it the long term when there is a big enough userbase.

A lot of the moves that Sony has historically made were short term gains over the long term gain. E.g PS3.

 

[TheFarter]

Maybe. Phil is quite well known for his lies so it may have just been his typical BS too.

Jason Ronald is playing Tony Hawk from his Series X he tweeted.

 

[mejin]

maybe he loves the Xbox template instead

hmmm, sex template

 

[VFXVeteran]

A unified memory pool is more efficient in any case, because it works for the entire system, offering a single address space. This is not a downside it is an advantage.

No that's only true when transferring data. Most bandwidth will be asset loading. It seems everyone has addressed that. RTX I/O would definitely be the preferred setup as your game code and OS code can be on separate memory and not use up VRAM.

 

[Neo Blaster]

I never said that MS money is Xbox money. I said that as long as Microsoft is willing to continue to value the long term gain of Game Pass over the short and medium-term, then MS will be willing to continue with the Game Pass initiative. This isn't the first time MS has transitioned a one-purchase business model to a subscription model. MS 365 is a good example and they lost billions because of it, but the long term gain outweighed the short term pain.

The same logic likely applies to Game Pass. MS could be prepared to not have a profit at all for the short term, but prepared to make it the long term when there is a big enough userbase.

'Xbox Division has the money of a Big Tech company'

Nuff said.

 

[VFXVeteran]

Great point, as DF said with Halo, the lighting will fix everything.


Interesting choice between the two systems.


Xbox Series X - play Gex Mad Dash Racing .... but WITH HDR

or


PlayStation 5 - play new games

I thought I would come in here and see if there was any meaningful conversation speculation but as usual, nothing but console wars..with the Sony guys berating the Xbox guys yet again..

 

[VFXVeteran]

This game is great, imagine how the sequel will look like on PS5

We do a lot of imaging and I think that's why people's expectations are out of whack. Just saying..

 

[VFXVeteran]

Tbf I did read and article a few months back about the upgrade it would get for PS5; textures and all. I can’t remember who reported it.

That's not day 1 though. Neither is TLOU2 a day one patch for PS5. PS5/PC are getting TLOU remake first.

 

[Dave_at_Home]

Day 7: That's a one way trip to hell. Although we are already in a type of hell.

Announce it already SOOONNNNYYYYY!!!!!!

September 9th.

But I'm dead inside.

 

[particleparade]

That's not day 1 though. Neither is TLOU2 a day one patch for PS5. PS5/PC are getting TLOU remake first.

Is there a source for this?

 

[Vroadstar]

I thought I would come in here and see if there was any meaningful conversation speculation but as usual, nothing but console wars..with the Sony guys berating the Xbox guys yet again..

You are welcome to leave, I don't think this thread needs liars and FUD spreaders ..

R&C didn't show any RT. Neither did HFW or DS.

And I never said R&C doesn't have RT. You must have me mixed up with Alex.

That's not day 1 though. Neither is TLOU2 a day one patch for PS5. PS5/PC are getting TLOU remake first.

 

[ArcaneNLSC]

There's apparently a Sony event happening this week

Sony press event on September 8. Unsure if it’s for the A7c too… – sonyalpharumors

www.sonyalpharumors.com

 

[OrionNebula]

There were rumors in late may / early june, that production started, 1-2 weeks before Sony did.
Around 1 month ago some XBox higher ups reported that they have the real retail box at home, mass produced and in its final packaging.

So the hardware should be ready

Good to know! As long as nothing rocks the boat, I’m keeping on considering Nov as the starting point for next gen

 

[Yoboman]

“I think the best way that we can address [the challenges of releasing a new console in a pandemic recession] is by providing the best possible value proposition that we can,” Ryan said. “I don’t necessarily mean lowest price. Value is a combination of many things. In our area it means games, it means number of games, depth of games, breadth of games, quality of games, price of games… all of these things and how they avail themselves of the feature set of the platform.”

Jim Ryan on PS5. That doesn't sound like its gonna be cheap. Only way I think Sony does $500 and $400 is if the XSX and XSS are $500 and $300.

Sony have always been very price conscious except on PS3, which was a disaster. They simply aren't going $599 again unless some people really fucked up and want to lose their jobs

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Why not correct this person with 300 followers on twitter itself, where this was posted?

What is the fucking point of posting this shit?

You know what I do?

I avoid twitter.. because it FUCKING SUCKS.

Seriously fuck the fuck off with this shit. Ban me for all I care at this point, mods here need to stop this garbage.

I have said this countless times in this very thread.

Twitter posts from random nobodies who claim X,Y and Z about anything next gen related should not be allowed in this thread or forum.
All it's ever doing is help spread FUD, shit and piss all over forums. I hate having to wade through twitter shit after twitter shit from the likes of Roberto Sorrano, Tidux, Tim Dog etc.
What i do now is put people on ignore who posts any tweets relating to the above individuals. I'm doing my part to rid this thread of the rubbish.

If you're going to post tweets, do so from official sources or known sources like Geoff Keighley, Digital Foundry, Ryan McAffrey etc.

If its a slow news day and there is nothing to post, shut the fuck up or stay away from the thread.

 

[jose4gg]

You are welcome to leave, I don't think this thread needs liars and FUD spreaders ...

Thanks...

 

[MasterCornholio]

I thought I would come in here and see if there was any meaningful conversation speculation but as usual, nothing but console wars..with the Sony guys berating the Xbox guys yet again..

What about the Xbox guys berating the PlayStation guys?