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[Moridianae]

The stuff about Sony's interests in acquisitions, etc. goes in-line with HeisenbergFX4 speaking of the magnitude that they've been off "moneyhatting" for thus upcoming generation of PlayStation.

Oh, the guy talking about flipping? I think the supply will probably be okay. I remember shutting down a guy at GameStop who decided he'd gamble on flipping 6 Wii-U(bought at different locations).

When it didn't take, he tried to return them all. I shut him down, he complained to my DM who happened to be there, who also shut him down.

Then he went to corporate, who traced his transactions, also called him out and trespassed him from the store.

I've never liked resellers and it was SO easy to spot them at system pre-order beginnings. Usually order a system alone(nothing else) and pay their due with an absurdly prestige looking credit card, sometimes even having the audacity of it to say eBay.

It robs genuine gamers(and parents of those gamers) of their opportunity.

 

[AeneaGames]

Speaking about the hardware breakdown I have a feeling it's just going to be something through PlayStation Blog and probably after the games show.

Yeah, with the Pro it was right before or right after release a very simple video where someone from Sony just disassembles it completely.

Which is soooo not what I'm interested in. I said it before I want a nice technical interview with Cerny in some magazine or on some website where they talk freely about all the cool stuff we are not yet sure about, like all the GPU features for instance...

 

[FunkMiller]

Come on people if we say it enough times Konami will be bound to notice us.

Silent Hill Silent Hill Silent Hill

Spoiler: Konamis Response

Pachinko Pachinko Pachinko

Unless Sony have somehow grabbed the rights to Silent Hill, the franchise is deader than Jim’s wife.

 

[MasterCornholio]

The stuff about Sony's interests in acquisitions, etc. goes in-line with HeisenbergFX4 speaking of the magnitude that they've been off "moneyhatting" for thus upcoming generation of PlayStation.

Oh, the guy talking about flipping? I think the supply will probably be okay. I remember shutting down a guy at GameStop who decided he'd gamble on flipping 6 Wii-U(bought at different locations).

When it didn't take, he tried to return them all. I shut him down, he complained to my DM who happened to be there, who also shut him down.

Then he went to corporate, who traced his transactions, also called him out and trespassed him from the store.

I've never liked resellers and it was SO easy to spot them at system pre-order beginnings. Usually order a system alone(nothing else) and pay their due with an absurdly prestige looking credit card, sometimes even having the audacity of it to say eBay.

It robs genuine gamers(and parents of those gamers) of their opportunity.

Kind of reminds me of those people that buy a ton of supplies when a crisis is about to hit.

He Has 17,700 Bottles of Hand Sanitizer and Nowhere to Sell Them (Published 2020)

Amazon cracked down on coronavirus price gouging. Now, while the rest of the world searches, some sellers are holding stockpiles of sanitizer and masks.

www.nytimes.com

 

[FunkMiller]

Kind of reminds me of those people that buy a ton of supplies when a crisis is about to hit.

He Has 17,700 Bottles of Hand Sanitizer and Nowhere to Sell Them (Published 2020)

Amazon cracked down on coronavirus price gouging. Now, while the rest of the world searches, some sellers are holding stockpiles of sanitizer and masks.

www.nytimes.com

If there’s one thing guaranteed to bring out the selfish c*nts, it’s demand exceeding supply.

 

[IntentionalPun]

The stuff about Sony's interests in acquisitions, etc. goes in-line with HeisenbergFX4 speaking of the magnitude that they've been off "moneyhatting" for thus upcoming generation of PlayStation.

Oh, the guy talking about flipping? I think the supply will probably be okay. I remember shutting down a guy at GameStop who decided he'd gamble on flipping 6 Wii-U(bought at different locations).

When it didn't take, he tried to return them all. I shut him down, he complained to my DM who happened to be there, who also shut him down.

Then he went to corporate, who traced his transactions, also called him out and trespassed him from the store.

I've never liked resellers and it was SO easy to spot them at system pre-order beginnings. Usually order a system alone(nothing else) and pay their due with an absurdly prestige looking credit card, sometimes even having the audacity of it to say eBay.

It robs genuine gamers(and parents of those gamers) of their opportunity.

Scalpers are garbage..

But this story is... illegal, like 100% illegal.. and hard for me to believe lol

 

[jimbojim]

On Xbox website its still $300 officially. Of course there are sales sometimes.

Xbox One S | Xbox

Explore the world of Xbox with Xbox One S. Play thousands of games and enjoy built-in 4K Ultra HD and 4K video streaming on the Xbox One S console.

www.xbox.com

Here is 249

Xbox One S All-Digital Edition | Xbox

Xbox One S 1TB All-Digital Edition console | Xbox Wireless Controller | Minecraft | Sea of Thieves | Fortnite Battle Royale

www.microsoft.com

 

[saintjules]

Looks like it's that "From Bedrooms to Billions" Documentary that was teased a little while ago.

A PlayStation documentary is set to release alongside its 25th anniversary | VGC

Featuring Mark Cerny, Hideo Kojima and more…

www.videogameschronicle.com

 

[ethomaz]

Unless Sony have somehow grabbed the rights to Silent Hill, the franchise is deader than Jim’s wife.

You can be sure the franchise is not dead... I see a pachinko SH game coming from Konami

 

[MasterCornholio]

If there’s one thing guaranteed to bring out the selfish c*nts, it’s demand exceeding supply.

The TP shortage caught me off guard and I refused to pay the scalpers for Toilet paper. I ended up using that horrible scratchy brown paper for a while.

 

[Dave_at_Home]

Well hell...all this time people have been saying he said they would not be BEAT on power or price. What he actually said was much different. Not being 'out of position' is HIGHLY relative. Meaning they could say they are in position even if they were $100 higher by saying they present more VALUE, even if that value is just GamePass. People have really twisted the hell out of this quote. Now? Well it doesn't mean they will undercut Sony on price AT ALL. Just that for THEM, they will be "in position." Sheesh. Well, I guess it just shows the power of fanboy wishful thinking twisting this quote into something it was not!

Agreed. What some people may be missing out on here is the mere perception of price as it relates to Xbox in general. An interesting scenario could play out if Series X undercuts PS5 by $50/$100. I definitely don't think that will happen, but lets say it does. What are the odds that "value" position works against them? They have a slightly more powerful machine, but somehow $50/$100 less? I can picture many people walking into a BestBuy or GameStop asking why that is. Maybe they could be persuaded by the Game Pass proposition, but maybe they'll also keep in mind how Microsoft handled the Xbox One generation (along with everything that's going on with Series X at the moment). Xbox could come in lower and be only seen as the value brand versus Sony as the premium. Just a thought. It is quite telling as to the current state of things with Xbox fans asking Microsoft on Twitter to showcase games running on actual hardware.

 

[kyliethicc]

Edit. Nevermind.

 

[Moridianae]

Scalpers are garbage..

But this story is... illegal, like 100% illegal.. and hard for me to believe lol

Hard to believe, but services can be refused by a retailer for any reason. For example, in my later career, during inclement weather or otherwise, my store I was with could make any gas-powered equipment purchase(generators, etc.) final sale.

Once you left the property with that generator, it was yours. No returns. Could exchange or repair, but no returns. No exceptions. It was final. No "just in case", no flipping it to make a buck. Nothing.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Hard to believe, but services can be refused by a retailer for any reason. For example, in my later career, during inclement weather or otherwise, my store I was with could make any gas-powered equipment purchase(generators, etc.) final sale.

Once you left the property with that generator, it was yours. No returns. Could exchange or repair, but no returns. No exceptions. It was final.

Yes you can sell things in the US with "final sale."

You can't sell someone something with a return policy, then deny them for something not on that return policy because you don't like something about them.

 

[danielJackson]

Agreed. What some people may be missing out on here is the mere perception of price as it relates to Xbox in general. An interesting scenario could play out if Series X undercuts PS5 by $50/$100. I definitely don't think that will happen, but lets say it does. What are the odds that "value" position works against them? They have a slightly more powerful machine, but somehow $50/$100 less? I can picture many people walking into a BestBuy or GameStop asking why that is. Maybe they could be persuaded by the Game Pass proposition, but maybe they'll also keep in mind how Microsoft handled the Xbox One generation (along with everything that's going on with Series X at the moment). Xbox could come in lower and be only seen as the value brand versus Sony as the premium. Just a thought. It is quite telling as to the current state of things with Xbox fans asking Microsoft on Twitter to showcase games running on actual hardware.

Not likely outside of USA where xbox is weakling as a brand. So it is unlikely that people would care about small power difference or even cheaper price. As one/x hardly sell on many areas, even with sales.

It is really weird from non-US viewpoint to even see people talking like xbox is some kind of equal competitor/choice, because most of the world is so different.

From friends/relatives/random people I know that own console, it is Playstation 80-90% and rest are xbox/switch.

So people most likely walk and ask PS5 and dont care about specs/price.

Before gamestop closed all their stores in my country, I knew a girl that worked there and she said that allmost all of the sold stuff were Playstation related, like if multiplatform game sold 100 copies, 90 were for ps4

 

[AeneaGames]

Most people don't buy 2 consoles. So if the power difference between Xbox and PS5 isn't HUGE and immediately noticeable to even casuals in third party games its not gonna save them.

And the kicker is tho that side by side they might not look different for a casual but what they can clearly see is that one of them is loading the games at least twice as fast! Which a casual then interprets that it's faster!

 

[Killer Sakoman]

I also feel bad for Ready at Dawn. Like really bad. It's a tragedy that Facebook owns them now.
All that talent and creativity, except now it requires a Facebook account to access jfl.
It's on Sony though. Yeah the critical reception of The Order wasn't that great but man it was a big mistake not sticking with them.
Especially considering they delivered in the past with GOW on PSP.
Fucking hell.
I don't know what the RAD devs themselves think of this, maybe they like the Facebook checks or something but as a PS fan it's not cool.
Damn it.

I think something wrong happened and ruined their relationship with Sony.
Anyway, whatever happened is a wrong decision and a big mistake by Sony. You shouldn't let these guys go. The Order was not the best but it proved that RAD were top tier and they had a huge potential. Sony gabe Guerilla a second chance after original Killzone and that was a bigger failure than the Order. I don't understand why they couldn't give RAD a second chance knowing that RAD already had a good record and they sure could have made the next big playstation game.

 

[Killer Sakoman]

... incredible.

Why does someone with PC need a Series X? Isn't that a waste of money? And dont tell because he wants to play with friends. Microsoft is customer friendly and they support cross platforms play.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

 

[Neo Blaster]

https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/corporatereport/CorporateReport2020_E.pdf

thanks to the bait thread of Sony first party games on PC I took a look at their report and damn, I don't remember who talked about Sony bleeding out Microsoft, but after reading it what they plan to PS5...they will go for the jugular.

Can you please summarize it?

 

[ethomaz]

I already knew that way before you receive the award.
Congrats.

 

[Killer Sakoman]

The majority of the report also hammers home more exclusive titles. The PC mention was one line I think people are giving it a lot of weight even though the focus of the report is elsewhere

If they go PC launch day for every 1st party, then my playstation 5 pro will be called RTX 3090 .

I don't think Sony is that stupid, but I said it before, I don't trust Jim Ryan and I am afraid there is a reason for the large scale changes in SIE.

I also don't have a good feeling toward Hermann Hulst.

 

[Entroyp]

Ex

Why does someone with PC need a Series X? Isn't that a waste of money? And dont tell because he wants to play with friends. Microsoft is customer friendly and they support cross platforms play.

Normally the one calling someone an idiot is the idiot.

 

[IntentionalPun]

https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/corporatereport/CorporateReport2020_E.pdf

thanks to the bait thread of Sony first party games on PC I took a look at their report and damn, I don't remember who talked about Sony bleeding out Microsoft, but after reading it what they plan to PS5...they will go for the jugular.

I've been saying that (Sony thinks they can actually exit MS from the console market, and is spending money to make it happen)

While I'm a bigger Sony fan than an MS fan, I also find it concerning.

 

[ethomaz]

I've been saying that (Sony thinks they can actually exit MS from the console market, and is spending money to make it happen)

MS themselves wants to exit console market...

 

[Killer Sakoman]

So are we expecting Ratchet and Clank 60fps mode to be 1440p checkerboard to 4K or what? Really curious if Sony has improved upon their checkerboarding technique, but as with anything related to PS5, everyone's mouths are zipped shut.

I see this as a great option for people that are next-gen gaming on 1080P sets.

1440p is a huge cut. Expect 1800p with temporal injuction. The CPU is strong, they only need to lower the resolution a little.

 

[Moses85]

MS themselves wants to exit console market...

They are working extremely hard to achieve this..

 

[Killer Sakoman]

Sony has patents for ML like dlss so it could be a mixture of checkerboard and ML

Insomniac already said temporal injuction

 

[MasterCornholio]

I've been saying that (Sony thinks they can actually exit MS from the console market, and is spending money to make it happen)

While I'm a bigger Sony fan than an MS fan, I also find it concerning.

It's more like Sony are doing whatever it takes to stay in the market. They see Microsoft as a threat and that's a good thing. It means they will make moves to be more competitive and hopefully Microsoft will fight back.

 

[Imtjnotu]

Insomniac already said temporal injuction

Tempura injection

 

[CrysisFreak]

https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/corporatereport/CorporateReport2020_E.pdf

thanks to the bait thread of Sony first party games on PC I took a look at their report and damn, I don't remember who talked about Sony bleeding out Microsoft, but after reading it what they plan to PS5...they will go for the jugular.

What exactly are you referring to?

 

[kretos]

I've been saying that (Sony thinks they can actually exit MS from the console market, and is spending money to make it happen)

While I'm a bigger Sony fan than an MS fan, I also find it concerning.

Well MS is making Sony's job easier

 

[zaitsu]

Can you please summarize it?

Gaming is growing as their best source of income. And its for them extremly importnant.

PS5 has hardware RT with new software based on data structures and libraries to making RT faster and they know that RT is simplifying rendering. They also mentioning external partnerships.

New exclusives made by 1,2,3 parties, truly nextgens not possible on ps4.
Exploring expanding 1 party to PC.
PROMOTING SMOOTH TRANSITION

 

[Killer Sakoman]

Tempura injection

You fixed injection and got Temporal wrong

 

[IntentionalPun]

It's more like Sony are doing whatever it takes to stay in the market. They see Microsoft as a threat and that's a good thing. It means they will make moves to be more competitive and hopefully Microsoft will fight back.

Meh.. I really doubt Sony sees MS as much of a threat. Where is the threat?

- If Gamepass is a threat, they can counter by increasing PSNow value, and stomp all over Gamepass because Sony's output is like 10 times as popular
- If cloud gaming becomes a threat, which I doubt Sony really buys considering their experience with buying Gaikai and it not taking off, they can partner with MS and dominate MS's cloud streaming service.. because again, Sony's output is 10 times as popular

All competitors are a threat; but I really think Sony believes outright they can kill the MS hardware business.. and without Xbox, Gamepass and xCloud aren't shit. There's a reason Sony is willing to give money to MS with an Azure and potential cloud streaming partnership.. because ... MS is NOT a threat to them lol

And yes guys, MS has been sucking, making Sony's job easier, yada yada..

 

[MasterCornholio]

Meh.. I really doubt Sony sees MS as much of a threat. Where is the threat?

Well the last time Sony didn't take the competition seriously the PS3 happened. They know they have to start of next gen extremely strong.

Honestly at this point it's Microsoft that should be taking them more seriously in my opinion.

 

[Entroyp]

Tempura injection

I’m hungry now

 

[CrysisFreak]

Gaming is growing as their best source of income. And its for them extremly importnant.

PS5 has hardware RT with new software based on data structures and libraries to making RT faster and they know that RT is simplifying rendering. They also mentioning external partnerships.

New exclusives made by 1,2,3 parties, truly nextgens not possible on ps4.
Exploring expanding 1 party to PC.
PROMOTING SMOOTH TRANSITION

Lol. One short sentence in the end basically saying they are going to approve a few games to get PC ports.
People who want the next-gen experience without waiting years will only get it if they have a PS5, otherwise they'll be shit outta luck

 

[Imtjnotu]

You fixed injection and got Temporal wrong

I thought we were changing words!

 

[zaitsu]

Lol. One short sentence in the end basically saying they are going to approve a few games to get PC ports.
People who want the next-gen experience without waiting years will only get it if they have a PS5, otherwise they'll be shit outta luck

I think sony would start porting games from previous generation to PC, to take some PC hearts and made them buy nex gen for sequel. Like we have seen with horizon.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I’m hungry now

I haven't had a good tempura in a long time.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Lol. One short sentence in the end basically saying they are going to approve a few games to get PC ports.
People who want the next-gen experience without waiting years will only get it if they have a PS5, otherwise they'll be shit outta luck

Basically a bait and switch tactic. Lure PC gamers in with some games and then give them a reason to buy a PS5. Also they didn't exactly release HZD at a rock bottom price so there's even more reason for people to pick up the console version instead of the PC version.

 

[BlueXImpulse]

Gaming is growing as their best source of income. And its for them extremly importnant.

PS5 has hardware RT with new software based on data structures and libraries to making RT faster and they know that RT is simplifying rendering. They also mentioning external partnerships.

New exclusives made by 1,2,3 parties, truly nextgens not possible on ps4.
Exploring expanding 1 party to PC.
PROMOTING SMOOTH TRANSITION

That ray tracing excerpt was interesting.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Well the last time Sony didn't take the competition seriously the PS3 happened. They know they have to start of next gen extremely strong.

Honestly at this point it's Microsoft that should be taking them more seriously in my opinion.

Their entire business has changed since then. It goes beyond just not taking MS seriously.. even without taking MS seriously, guess what the PS3 did? Outsold the Xbox 360.

They became gaming focused not just to compete against MS, but because.. the rest of their business wasn't doing well. They "won" the format war with Blu-Ray, but Blu-Ray was a flop compared to expectations... Cell didn't become a processor tech they could use or license... gaming wasn't their most important business, that's why we got PS3. And we didn't just get PS4 because of MS.. we got it because... gaming now WAS their most important business.

I really think MS's blood is in the water... and Sony smells it.

 

[HAL-01]

Here is the first game captured straight from the Xbox Series X ..



Captured on Xbox Series X

Whats up with all the loading screens with the "Captured on xsx" disclaimer

Pretty sure we're only seeing this cause an indie dev jumped at the chance for free publicity

 

[Mahavastu]

Meh.. I really doubt Sony sees MS as much of a threat. Where is the threat?

Last time Sony underestimated XBox, the PS3 desaster happened. I doubt Sony will do the same error ever again.
They are hungry and will do their thing as if XBox is a worthy competition.

- If Gamepass is a threat, they can counter by increasing PSNow value, and stomp all over Gamepass because Sony's output is like 10 times as popular
- If cloud gaming becomes a threat, which I doubt Sony really buys considering their experience with buying Gaikai and it not taking off, they can partner with MS and dominate MS's cloud streaming service.. because again, Sony's output is 10 times as popular

While I agree with you, one should never underestimate new technologies just because they are currently too small compared to your established business.
There is a book called "The Innovator's Dilemma: When New Technologies Cause Great Firms to Fail" describing this situation.

Anyway, Sony has with PS Now its own "Gamepass" competitor, plans on improving the picture quality of streaming and so on. If they really want to they just need to change a few things here and there and it will be larger then Gamepass in no time...

 

[jimbojim]

I think sony would start porting games from previous generation to PC, to take some PC hearts and made them buy nex gen for sequel. Like we have seen with horizon.

You mean like Hermen Hulst said to introduce HZD to PC and jump to PS5.

I'm expecting GOW to appear on PC too.

 

[MasterCornholio]

It goes beyond just not taking MS seriously.. even without taking MS seriously, guess what the PS3 did? Outsold the Xbox 360.

And made them lose alot of sales and revenue compared to the PS2. Sony is just protecting the most important part of their business. They can't risk becoming complacent and letting Microsoft take them by surprise. That's what you call a strong competition. If Microsoft doesn't want to compete with Sony then they will just have to deal with the consequences.

 

[IntentionalPun]

While I agree with you, one should never underestimate new technologies just because they are currently too small compared to your established business.

It's a technology that is at a masssssive disadvantage if you aren't yourself a cloud services provider. The advantage Google/MS/Amazon have is enormous in that space. Sony learned that with Gaikai. Sony directly investing in the tech was a mistake, and would be a mistake moving forward. They don't need to.

Meanwhile MS still doesn't have a cloud streaming service really on the market.. and the one coming this fall (Beta) is 720p / only on Android / running on Xbox One S hardware and has taken them years even to get to that point.

And there's zero proof of consumer demand in that space... something Sony knows full damn well, as does google now, and as will Microsoft most likely this next year lol

Companies have time and again OVER-estimated technologies as well... and when you can let someone else spend their money building out the tech that you have an agreement to license in the future, again, where is the risk for Sony? Where is the threat?

 

[zaitsu]

You mean like Hermen Hulst said to introduce HZD to PC and jump to PS5.

I'm expecting GOW to appear on PC too.

Exactly.
There is nothing to be mad about. We ve already played it.
THERE IS ZERO CHANCE FOR PS5 GAMES BEING PORTED TO PC UNTIL PS6 ON HORIZON.
And releasing PS4 exclusives on PC is very cheap way to funding another games or studios.
And i would love to not give PC player my precious exclusives, but it is right thing to do.
But still anyone hoping to play PS5 games on PC is just dreaming. They want to sell PS5 not PCs.