DeepEnigma
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Apple to terminate all developer accounts and cut off Epic off from IOS and Mac development tools
Robot Carnival
Member
I won't cheer for Apple in this case, but I would definitely tell Epic to go fuck themselves. making like they're the victim here and playing innocent hoping to get social media to back you up while you're basically doing the same shit Apple is doing. Epic can go eat a bag of dicks for all I care.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Do some of yall realize that this is actual anti-consumerism happening in front of us? Like.....some of you call Sony anti-consumer (it isn't), yet yall rooting for Apple here?
Uhh.. Sony requires you use them as a payment processor on PS4 too lol (as MS does on Xbox)
They'd likely not certify a Fortnite release that tried to bypass them... same as Apple basically.
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Sakura
Member
How is what Apple does any different than how Sony handles PlayStation? They are both walled gardens...Do some of yall realize that this is actual anti-consumerism happening in front of us? Like.....some of you call Sony anti-consumer (it isn't), yet yall rooting for Apple here?
I've already shot down one request for a Samsung phone because of this very reason.
Kind of wondering if OT gets a thread about a Epic phone launch in the next year.
iconmaster
Banned
Whupz!
They breached their contract with Apple, then filed a lawsuit against Apple and launched an anti-Apple marketing campaign. Apple has every reason to cease doing business with them.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Sony with their 1.5% stake seeing Epic's shady practice on a 30% walled garden.
Dr Bass
Member
What do you think Epic is doing? Is it "really gross" to fight for computing freedom? Have you read the lawsuit? Are you a software engineer?
Do you think Apple and Google should decide what software we install on our computers? Make no mistake, "smart phones" are pocket computers now.
SlimeGooGoo
Party Gooper
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BlueXImpulse
Banned
El O El
VincentMatts
Member
well couldnt epic just not allow UE support on apple products anymore?
But this may hurt epic more in the longterm than it does apple. It does seem that their bluff got called by apple.
SCB3
Member
I was more generalising on having a more Open OS, I mean Epic signed those terms, they should've approached this more professionally if they wanted change. Sucks for smaller devs that went with Mac's for development with Unreal, but assuming you can still use the current or older versions, they'll be fine
Anyway, I see this lasting a few weeks and being settled quietly
Eevee86
Member
Oh, please. They aren't some grand hero fighting for justice. They want to make more money.
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
Sony with their 1.5% stake seeing Epic's shady practice on a 30% walled garden.
Next up, Epic's value decreases...Sony buys Epic Games
Dr Bass
Member
I don't understand this viewpoint. Well, I partially do. Yes, Epic breached the terms of service. Apple doesn't have to "do business" with Epic. Does that mean Epic shouldn't be able to do business with it's own customers directly on iOS? Again, should Microsoft be the gatekeepers of ALL software ever released on Windows? If the answer to the Windows question is no, then what is the difference with iOS? I have yet to see anyone who takes the stance that Apple is right here address this. The only one I've seen is John Gruber who went so far as to call iOS an "App Console", which had other fairly notable people in the computer industry publicly questioning his mental health!
What if you think the locked down nature of iOS and Android are both morally unethical and legally unsound? What action should Epic take then? They are fighting a battle that others can't afford to do.
I guarantee you there are plenty of software engineers within Apple not happy about what Apple does with its platforms.
It sounds exactly like banning Unreal Engine from all your platforms, including MacOS. How in the heck does that make sense for computing? The largest company in the world dictating what software is allowed to exist? I am hoping Apple is underestimating how this is going to reflect on them within the software community.
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Herr Edgy
Member
Yes, that's precisely it.
On one hand I'm glad I may not have to support MacOS and iOS at our company anymore.
On the other hand.. the obvious.
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At the post above from
Dr Bass
, I sign this post.I wonder how many Epic haters or 'critics' here would say "their platform, their rules" once Microsoft would ban Steam from Windows lol
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WelshBluebird
Member
Lol carry on believing that if you want.
Won't make it true though.
The only allowing apps through the app store, yeah fine. But not allowing in app purchases outside of the app store mechanism? That has literally nothing to do with security and everything to so with Apple's cut.
RedVIper
Banned
Gamezone
Gold Member
I'm just switching to Android. I love iPhone, but I can't let Apple deny such technology.
Zog
Banned
Should Sony be able to decide who gets PS5 dev kits?
RedVIper
Banned
Shouldn't it be tencent vs apple.
PresetError
Neophyte
I used to have a Mac. Apple computers are terrible for games. Anybody gaming in IOS is a casual.
Epic might be biting more than they could chew, though.
Epic might be biting more than they could chew, though.
VincentMatts
Member
I agree with this 100%. Personally, i hope this just escalates more. I hope epic keep at it seriously. This is the only way Apple will change. If no one battles them, nothing will change
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rob305
Member
I would do the same if there was an iMessage app for android
RoboFu
One of the green rats
you dont see a security issue with anyone able to take your creditcard info and process it wherever? come on think.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Wait it's been a while since I'm done any Apple dev, but won't an app with a revoked certificate fail to launch? So presumably people who had Fortnite installed prior to this still won't be able to launch their game from any internet-connect iOS device once this goes into effect?
Gorilla Shark
Member
Good for Apple.
I wish Sony, MS, and Nintendo would see the writing on the wall and remove Fortnite from their stores too.
Epic wants to use Apple’s ecosystem for free and is trying to make it sound like they’re looking out for consumers.
I wish Sony, MS, and Nintendo would see the writing on the wall and remove Fortnite from their stores too.
Epic wants to use Apple’s ecosystem for free and is trying to make it sound like they’re looking out for consumers.
Newly Vacant
Member
I use Unreal Engine at work for some of our projects, and the Mac is usually an afterthought. I'll be shocked if Apple doesn't resolve this, but I really don't think it's a huge blow at the moment.
VincentMatts
Member
Sure, but thats not why apple dont allow it. They dont allow it cause they like their 30%. The security part is the excuse they use to not allow it.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Then Apple will need to be prepared to be sued for 100s of millions of dollars.
I'm sure that's what Apple "says" at least. Apple could allow in app direct payments if they wanted to and also be secure. Doesn't Netflix work in a similar way already?
Dr Bass
Member
The PS5 and the Xbox are not general purpose computers important to the fabric of society and our economy. Many people ONLY have smart phones at this point and they run their lives on them. You can do your banking, your communications, your entertainment, ANYTHING you want on these devices because they are general purpose computers.
Man this thinking is absurd. Clearly not EVERY device needs to be an open platform. That's not even tenable. It has to do with the prominence these devices have in our lives.
Microsoft was clobbered by the government for including Internet Explorer in Windows in the late 90s! That was considered anti-competitive behavior. How have we gotten to this point where giant mega corps can dictate even what software can exist on their devices when there are far more mobile devices now in the world than windows machines?
Mobile devices are now FAR more important to "humanity" than Windows machines. And people here think complete control of what we actually do with them should lie in the hands of two companies? Video game consoles aren't even close to being in the same stratosphere. It's one of the dumbest comparisons and arguments you can make.
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namekuseijin
Banned
if you really want to play this battle gayall you'd better go consoles or pc, applefags
Aceofspades
Banned
As much as I hate to say that, Apple move is 100% justified here.
alstrike
Member
Anti-consumer?
Excuse me, what?
To EPIC: What the fuck did you think was going to happen?
Why delete it when it will be unusable soon anyway thanks to updates, if it is not already?