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Dusk Golem reiterates that the Xbox will be more powerful than the PS5 (Admitted to starting console wars, demodded)

Azelover

Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
Lack of customization might make a real difference, especially in the beginning.
 
I am so tired of the Sony fans always crying about their ridiculous conspiracy theories; Digital Foundry, Dusk Golem, Xbox fans all paid shills, GitHub, FUD, FUD everywhere, Jeff Grub, Xbox Discord, Tom Warren and on and on and on. The whole world is plotting against poor Mother Sony.

Here is a website I think Sony fans would enjoy:
th

Typical Sony fan

Lol, I kinda miss that kooky nut. He warned me about the frogs.
 
Wow at that FPS with graphics that look like early current gen.
Fable was not an example for anything because it was just a CGI video. The game doesn't exist yet.
Nobody said they will force every game into cross gen.


Here is a clip from Fable Legends back when it was in closed beta in 2016, just before it was cancelled and Lionhead studios shuttered:




Strangely, Microsoft forced Lionhead to make this game, and then when it was almost finished, they dissolved the studio. I wonder whether history will repeat itself with the Fable reboot, when MS once again realizes that fans want something completely different than what the company's strategy dictates?


According to three separate sources familiar with Lionhead's relationship with Microsoft in 2012, Xbox executives insisted the studio make a new Fable in the games as a service mould. A single-player focused role-playing game would not be allowed, Lionhead was told. "There's no way anybody's going to be making single-player boxed products any more," sources say Microsoft executives told Lionhead. "I want something that's games as a service."

"You make a service game or you get closed down," was how another source with knowledge of the conversations remembers them. "It was the new big push from Microsoft and I heard that all first party studios got a similar message, however some had more of a push back against it."

And then the elephant in the room: Fable Legends simply wasn't the game many Fable fans had wanted. Fable fans wanted Fable 4, a single-player role-playing game that would blow their socks off on Xbox One. They did not want a free-to-play reimagining built around competitive multiplayer.

 

FranXico

Member
I am so tired of the Sony fans always crying about their ridiculous conspiracy theories; Digital Foundry, Dusk Golem, Xbox fans all paid shills, GitHub, FUD, FUD everywhere, Jeff Grub, Xbox Discord, Tom Warren and on and on and on. The whole world is plotting against poor Mother Sony.

Here is a website I think Sony fans would enjoy:
th

Typical Sony fan
So much projection, so little self-awareness.
 

Sony

Nintendo
I don't know which one is more laughable:
PS5 having magic sauce making it more powerful than Series X, or;
PS5 struggles to hit 4K30 while Series X doesn't

I'm inclined to say the latter, but there is some serious mental gymnastics going on here. Series X is more powerful, just accept it.
 

Gamerguy84

Member
pure comedy. he says it is struggling to run 4k30fps. which means it is running in 4k, on the next sentence he says that they are trying to get to 4k. like wtf?🤡

and you know you are fucked when developers writing to you back :messenger_tears_of_joy:

My favorite part is when the actual devs bust them. Yesterday it was J Stevenson from Insomniac lol.

Where do these warriors come from damn..
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
I am so tired of the Sony fans always crying about their ridiculous conspiracy theories; Digital Foundry, Dusk Golem, Xbox fans all paid shills, GitHub, FUD, FUD everywhere, Jeff Grub, Xbox Discord, Tom Warren and on and on and on. The whole world is plotting against poor Mother Sony.

Here is a website I think Sony fans would enjoy:
th

Typical Sony fan
Yeah not a fan of how quickly Sony fans get triggered by this. We should be able to take a rumor as a rumor without freaking out and accusing everyone of being a fanboy with an agenda.

Though in this case, why dusk did what he did was beyond stupid. Though the fact that he admitted it kind of gets him off the hook because of his sincerity. The other real fanboys like Tom Warren, jez, brad Sams and klobrie would never ever admit to it.

And i also kind of understand why Sony fans are so jumpy about this. It's been a hell of a year or two with all the github stuff and the outing of Xbox discord. Can you really blame them when the following turned out to be true:

- Hmgqq was the owner of the github folder all this time. And admitted to taking it down to fool us into thinking that amd took it down
- dukeblueballs was Tommy Fisher
- Tom Warren spread shit about the ps5 overheating based on an anonymous comment under a YouTube video.
- brad Sams and Alex downplaying the ssd getting smacked around by naughty dog devs then crying to mods
- Alex continuously spread uncertainty about the ps5 ray tracing capabilities even after the second wired article confirming it was hardware based. Shadows only rt he used to say.
- Xbox era crew getting caught red handed literally plotting strategies on how to attack the ps5
- Alex joining the Xbox era discord crew is simply unacceptable for a DF employee

While i have defended digital foundry and Alex here at all times, i cannot and wont offer Tom the same courtesy. He recently made a fool of himself on era.

I think guys like Jeff Grubb and dusk get caught in the crossfire but this is part of the game. Jason has been there too and has received a lot of shit from Xbox fans for simply saying the ps5 is more powerful in other ways. This kind of pushback isn't exclusive to Sony fans.
 

demigod

Member
I am so tired of the Sony fans always crying about their ridiculous conspiracy theories; Digital Foundry, Dusk Golem, Xbox fans all paid shills, GitHub, FUD, FUD everywhere, Jeff Grub, Xbox Discord, Tom Warren and on and on and on. The whole world is plotting against poor Mother Sony.

Here is a website I think Sony fans would enjoy:
th

Typical Sony fan

He was demodded for a reason, but go ahead and keep defending him.

The person I see that's crying mostly after the hot garbage Craig show is you. You reap what you sow.
 

ExKing

says GAF is a racist board but still wants to be a part of it...
Euh, why this should even be a debate or argument. Yes the Xbox Series X is the most powerful and arguing about this is pointless.

I think the interesting part is the fact the Xbox series X could be cheaper. That would be a huge surprise.
 
Reactions in this thread are particularly enlightening.

7 years ago, and even to this day, the OG Xbox One got ridiculed for the graphical downgrades it faced versus PS4 (900p vs. 1080p, 30 vs 60fps, etc.).

Now that the shoe is on the other foot, attitude towards the underpowered console have radically changed (e.g., "native resolution doesn't matter", "gameplay matters more than graphics", etc.).

Moving the goalposts, much?
The goalposts haven't moved.

When the xbone launched vs PS4, the difference was noticeable on the launch games.

This time, we haven't seen a launch game running on XSX and the PS5 games have only been captured on PS5, so we can't do a full comparison.

As for resolution, it doesn't matter this time around. Almost everyone would agree that the industry is pushing 4k too soon. A gen of 1080p60fps or 120fps, with all graphical bells and whistles would be preferable to 4k@30fps. With that in mind, the resolution doesn't matter.

Please, you and your ILk, stop jumping at Ghosts that aren't there. As Microsoft fans we should be going nuts at Microsoft for their incompetence this gen, not covering it up and pretending it's all OK. The last time the shills did that we ended up with Kinect and the Xbone!
 

geordiemp

Member
Euh, why this should even be a debate or argument. Yes the Xbox Series X is the most powerful and arguing about this is pointless.

I think the interesting part is the fact the Xbox series X could be cheaper. That would be a huge surprise.

Powerful on paper, just the TF.

Cant see anything good running,

WE cant see nothing. Why is that ?
 
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Yeah not a fan of how quickly Sony fans get triggered by this. We should be able to take a rumor as a rumor without freaking out and accusing everyone of being a fanboy with an agenda.

Though in this case, why dusk did what he did was beyond stupid. Though the fact that he admitted it kind of gets him off the hook because of his sincerity. The other real fanboys like Tom Warren, jez, brad Sams and klobrie would never ever admit to it.

And i also kind of understand why Sony fans are so jumpy about this. It's been a hell of a year or two with all the github stuff and the outing of Xbox discord. Can you really blame them when the following turned out to be true:

- Hmgqq was the owner of the github folder all this time. And admitted to taking it down to fool us into thinking that amd took it down
- dukeblueballs was Tommy Fisher
- Tom Warren spread shit about the ps5 overheating based on an anonymous comment under a YouTube video.
- brad Sams and Alex downplaying the ssd getting smacked around by naughty dog devs then crying to mods
- Alex continuously spread uncertainty about the ps5 ray tracing capabilities even after the second wired article confirming it was hardware based. Shadows only rt he used to say.
- Xbox era crew getting caught red handed literally plotting strategies on how to attack the ps5
- Alex joining the Xbox era discord crew is simply unacceptable for a DF employee

While i have defended digital foundry and Alex here at all times, i cannot and wont offer Tom the same courtesy. He recently made a fool of himself on era.

I think guys like Jeff Grubb and dusk get caught in the crossfire but this is part of the game. Jason has been there too and has received a lot of shit from Xbox fans for simply saying the ps5 is more powerful in other ways. This kind of pushback isn't exclusive to Sony fans.
Can I just add, while I have no horse in the race, the blatant lies from the gaming media Re: ps4 in 2011 and 2012 were shocking, while the same media denied, defended and downplayed the obvious short comings of the Xbone.

I'm not entirely surprised that those who fly the Sony flag are relishing the troubles that Microsoft are having.

Though I do wish that Microsoft fans would stop taking the disasters as conspiracy theory and really rally round Microsoft to simply do better. More Xbox 1, less Xbox one
 

NOLA_Gaffer

Banned
So if rumors are true it's basically 2013 all over again; we'll likely see that the higher-priced hardware is less powerful and the lower-priced hardware is more powerful.
 

JonnyMP3

Member
- Hmgqq was the owner of the github folder all this time. And admitted to taking it down to fool us into thinking that amd took it down
- dukeblueballs was Tommy Fisher
- Tom Warren spread shit about the ps5 overheating based on an anonymous comment under a YouTube video.
- brad Sams and Alex downplaying the ssd getting smacked around by naughty dog devs then crying to mods
- Alex continuously spread uncertainty about the ps5 ray tracing capabilities even after the second wired article confirming it was hardware based. Shadows only rt he used to say.
- Xbox era crew getting caught red handed literally plotting strategies on how to attack the ps5
- Alex joining the Xbox era discord crew is simply unacceptable for a DF employee
What is wrong with Xbox people?
 

Bryank75

Banned
I'm not necessarily talking about this rumor alone. The rumor for months now has been that this year's Xbox hardware is shaping up to be more powerful, while the rumor is that the PS5 may likely be priced higher.
PS5 is going to be 499 for the disc version and the digital is more flexible... you can estimate these things from the forecast for the year.

PS5 will have no issue selling everything they make.
 
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Gediminas

Banned
I am so tired of the Sony fans always crying about their ridiculous conspiracy theories; Digital Foundry, Dusk Golem, Xbox fans all paid shills, GitHub, FUD, FUD everywhere, Jeff Grub, Xbox Discord, Tom Warren and on and on and on. The whole world is plotting against poor Mother Sony.

Here is a website I think Sony fans would enjoy:
th

Typical Sony fan
are you ok? or did you hit your head for fifteenth time?
 

Gamernyc78

Banned
Euh, why this should even be a debate or argument. Yes the Xbox Series X is the most powerful and arguing about this is pointless.

I think the interesting part is the fact the Xbox series X could be cheaper. That would be a huge surprise.

Not at all only fanboys take that route. PS5 architecture is way more advanced and leagues better than nextbox in ssd, i/o, certain engines and features so a marginally stronger gpu does not a stronger console make, it's a sum of its parts. Sony will advance and be better in many areas. Only idiots omit tht architecture fact.
 

NOLA_Gaffer

Banned
PS5 is going to be 499 for the disc version and the digital is more flexible... you can estimate these things from the forecast for the year.

PS5 will have no issue selling everything they make.

To be fair I don't think either platform holder is going to have problem selling everything they make this holiday season. There's pent up demand for new hardware and assuming the economy doesn't get worse, folks will be buying.

This ain't a Wii U/3DS situation.
 

ExKing

says GAF is a racist board but still wants to be a part of it...
Powerful on paper, just the TF.

Cant see anything good running,

WE cant see nothing. Why is that ?

We're talking about numbers here and numbers don't lie. 12TF is more than 10.3 ( variable ). Period.

We haven't seen much from Sony either. Rachet and Clank looks great but it's hardly a gen leap visually. And where is Miles Morales at ? That's a launch game, still no gameplay ? Where is the PS fans outrage ?

Now we hear reports 3rd party games run better on Xbox Series X. And we should just dismiss them because you don't like the sound of it. That's childish.
 
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Snake29

RSI Employee of the Year
At this point, xbox fans need to start worry about the Xbox console, since we haven’t seen anything running properly. Now with the Halo delay, and god knows what other studios may struggle with (who knows).

Gamepass on pc is still not really interesting. With FS2020, i will use it again. I think gamepass on xbox has a better value, but the moment Sony talks about the big upgrade and overhaul for PSNow, and opens it up for every dev, i think Xbox will have not much more to counter. I hope for the xbox fans that they don’t push people to much into these kind of services. The majority of the people in the world still want to have something physical, and people still love to have consoles.
 
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Bryank75

Banned
We're talking about numbers here and numbers don't lie. 12TF is more than 10.3 ( variable ). Period.

We haven't seen much from Sony either. Rachet and Clank looks great but it's hardly a gen leap visually. And where is Miles Morales at ? That's a launch game, still no gameplay ? Where is the PS fans outrage ?

Now we hear reports 3rd party games run better on Xbox Series X. And we should just dismiss them because you don't likw the sound of it. That's childish.
If you see the breakdown by Cherno, R&C is beyond anything you can get anywhere currently, the amount of particles, the portals, the ray tracing and the overall fidelity is incredible...

Maybe you think less of it because of it's cartoony style but it is packing a lot of advancements.
 

Gamernyc78

Banned
We're talking about numbers here and numbers don't lie. 12TF is more than 10.3 ( variable ). Period.

We haven't seen much from Sony either. Rachet and Clank looks great but it's hardly a gen leap visually. And where is Miles Morales at ? That's a launch game, still no gameplay ? Where is the PS fans outrage ?

Now we hear reports 3rd party games run better on Xbox Series X. And we should just dismiss them because you don't like the sound of it. That's childish.

Negative we can talk about the PS5 architecture and ssd numbers. Why don't u talk about those? It's not all about gpu numbers although you are pushing tht narrative bcus u know 😊

New member pushing tht narrative lol tht it's only about the gpu this shit happens weekly. You won't last long and I have to put your frivolous one sided thinking on ignore.
 
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Bryank75

Banned
At this point, xbox fans need to start worry about the Xbox console, since we haven’t seen anything running properly. Now with the Halo delay, and god know what other studios may struggle with (who knows).

Gamepass on pc is still not really interesting. With FS2020, i will use it again. I think gamepass on xbox has way better, but the moment Sony talks about the big upgrade and overhaul for PSNow, and opens it up for every dev, i think Xbox will have not much more to counter. I hope for the xbox fans that they don’t push people to much into these kind of services. The majority of the people in the world still want to have something physical.

I think it's all about conversion to services for them, the XSX is like a goodbye present to their fans who like consoles and will keep them happy for a few years while they try and transition as many as possible to Xcloud and GamePass IMO.
 

MrFunSocks

Banned
Wow at that FPS with graphics that look like early current gen.
Fable was not an example for anything because it was just a CGI video. The game doesn't exist yet.
Nobody said they will force every game into cross gen.
So you ..... can’t....... name another 60fps open world game this gen?

Again missing the point of fable. I’d suggest you go read the Jaguar holding back next gen thread if you think that’s not what people are saying.
 

onQ123

Member
With no games to actually play on it, Xbox is dead in the water come November. Only the hardcore Xbox fans are going to buy the first wave.....

I really think this is the last hardware for XBox, they're coming out of every exchange black and blue.

Nope we will get more new Xbox consoles in the next few years , I don't know how well they will sell but they are setting it up so they can release a lot of different Xbox consoles , I think the S will come maybe 6 months or so after the X then it will be another one in about a year or 2 .
 
I am so tired of the Sony fans always crying about their ridiculous conspiracy theories; Digital Foundry, Dusk Golem, Xbox fans all paid shills, GitHub, FUD, FUD everywhere, Jeff Grub, Xbox Discord, Tom Warren and on and on and on. The whole world is plotting against poor Mother Sony.

Here is a website I think Sony fans would enjoy:
th

Typical Sony fan

Yeah here's one of your Xbox fact merchants spreading absolute truth:

:messenger_sunglasses:

.......oh hold on.
 

Bryank75

Banned
Nope we will get more new Xbox consoles in the next few years , I don't know how well they will sell but they are setting it up so they can release a lot of different Xbox consoles , I think the S will come maybe 6 months or so after the X then it will be another one in about a year or 2 .
But why? hahaha
 

ExKing

says GAF is a racist board but still wants to be a part of it...
Not at all only fanboys take that route. PS5 architecture is way more advanced and leagues better than nextbox in ssd, i/o, certain engines and features so a marginally stronger gpu does not a stronger console make, it's a sum of its parts. Sony will advance and be better in many areas. Only idiots omit tht architecture fact.
Negative we can talk about the PS5 architecture and ssd numbers. Why don't u talk about those? It's not all about gpu numbers although you are pushing tht narrative bcus u know 😊

New member pushing tht narrative lol tht it's only about the gpu this shit happens weekly. You won't last long and I have to put your frivolous one sided thinking on ignore.

So we should just disregard Dusk Golem and Jeff Grubb right ? Those guys are insiders with great track record, but when they say something negative about the PS5, they must lie right... How convenient.

Everybody knows the SDD is better on the PS5. But that means only the SDD matters then. So everything else is irrelevant right. The SDD won't help with the resolution you know :)
 
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