Bo_Hazem
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But it should be standard stereo 2.0, not simulated 3D for fake 3D like 5.1-7.1 Channel headsets, Dolby Atmos. So it might not be as useful as you think on PC?
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But it should be standard stereo 2.0, not simulated 3D for fake 3D like 5.1-7.1 Channel headsets, Dolby Atmos. So it might not be as useful as you think on PC?
kyliethicc
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Oh yeah my bad. I agree they gotta include a controller. You‘re right about it being for new customers.
JonnyMP3
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Neo Blaster
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MS will have to price it really low if they want casuals already gaming on One on 1080p to migrate, they will have the same games after all.
MasterCornholio
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Should be the same as the headsets that I have now but wireless.
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Dolomite
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You say that facetiously, but the vast majority of the gaming community don't have 4K monitors or TVs. OLED's? even less. Most people I know or work with have current gen consoles just to fuck around with or bust out at a party. Getting a Ps5 or "the new xbox" is more of a festive console launch experience/holiday purchase than Upgrading Next Gen hardware for many. I'm sorry to break it to Gaf, but the vast majority of PS5s and XSX/S sold will not be of credit any to Hardcore enthusiast.
Folks will purchase the Ps5 with a sub 4k TV then gladly pay $100 to play the "nexgen" version of 2k on Christmas day, smiling all the way and you know it. No different with the cheaper next gen console option
ArcaneNLSC
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Dolomite
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Hence the axing of the 1X. The X1 will drop in price to basically $Free.99
Look, I'm not personally expecting the XSS to do Nintendo Wii numbers, but it's plain naive to underestimate the amount of folks that will purchase "the hot new thing" at a cheaper value during a pandemic Holiday market.
If paying attention to xcloud and Gamepass has taught us anything, it's that this little($250?) box plus a $10 subscrbtion of free games can feed a family of casuals/college Bros/ nostalgic 50 yr old "I'm too busy for videogames" audience well
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Dolomite
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The biggest quandary.
It would take Gabe and Spence in a room egos asside wallets out for that merger. Gamepass library integrated with steam on PC, steam access on consoles with Gamepass subscription
JonnyMP3
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IntentionalPun
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MasterCornholio
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You buy the controller?
Dolomite
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Wraith Phantom
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Sucks for xbox. They will be building games for HDD the whole of next gen. They are not going to drop potential PC sales. With the amount of non SSD gamers on that side. And scaling talk. Looking rough on the green side.
IntentionalPun
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EA is starting to put EA Access on Steam.
But Gamepass is pretty different and likely not coming to Steam lol
However I could see MS first party letting you download the Steam copy of any game they make if you have Gamepass. And Valve would let them do it for cheap, or even free.
MasterCornholio
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Dolomite
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Why would you think that?
And Then why would you type it on purpose? Xbox is only supporting current gen for the next yr+
Xcloud is upgrading it's server to SXS blades in about 6 months. Quite literally everyone will benefit from an SSD this gen. Even casuals via streaming
Imtjnotu
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Then why sell it with out the controller in the first place?
Darklor01
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I think the idea there was you would own a previous Xbox One S or X and can use your existing controller. You would save money on the purchase if they didn’t need to include a new controller.
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IntentionalPun
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I think the idea would be you already own plenty of controllers from owning an Xbox One, which are compatible with XSX.
MasterCornholio
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I'm guessing at some point SSDs will become part of the minimum system requirements on PC. No idea if there's enough gamers right now with fast SSDs for that to be feasible.
JonnyMP3
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MasterCornholio
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To those that already have a controller. Makes the console cheaper for them.
DaGwaphics
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How much does a controller really contribute to costs? I thought it was like $10-15?
Gamernyc78
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You cannot keep money losers or so so profit sectors as you have investors to answer to. Tht narrative of unlimited cash is bs, not how business operates and ppl tht peddle it need to stop it.
Sinthor
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Wait a second....where did that rumor come from then? I thought people showed that the Xbox Gold service wasn't able to be purchased anymore. How did this work out to be Gold costing TWICE what it did instead? I am seriously baffled right now.
IntentionalPun
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Don't the controllers retail for like $60 these days?How much does a controller really contribute to costs? I thought it was like $10-15?
They are sold at a profit but I doubt it's such a high margin.
MasterCornholio
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How much does a controller really contribute to costs? I thought it was like $10-15?
Now you make it seem like it's an anti consumer decision.
Basically they would be forcing people to buy a 60$ controller instead of bundling it with the system for 10$-15$.
Yeah I doubt they would do something like this if it reduces the price by 10$-15$.
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DaGwaphics
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In the past, controllers and all the accessories were big money makers, both for the brand and the retailer. Maybe that has changed a great deal.
Edit: Here's that old BOM estimate for PS4/Xbone that made the rounds back in the day.
If anything, the XSX version is very well refined and is cheaper to produce than the original X1 design. But again, who knows.
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MasterCornholio
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Dolomite
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Not expecting it from the PC space for a few yrs. Ultra version requirements x-gigs of ram,SSD 2600 super ect"
Entroyp
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Probably half-assed but these are consoles we’re talking about, devs will make it sing.
MasterCornholio
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Hmm just means that if they want it to be playable on PCs they will probably have to build the games around mechanical drives.
I just hope this doesn't last long.
Well that doesn't sound to good. I guess we have to wait and see what they say about it.
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Gamernyc78
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kyliethicc
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Xbox Live Gold used to be able to purchased for $60 for 1 year, $25 for 3 months (effectively $100/year), or $10 for 1 month (effectively $120/year). PS Plus uses this pricing too. But now Xbox Live can only be bought for 3 months or 1 month.Wait a second....where did that rumor come from then? I thought people showed that the Xbox Gold service wasn't able to be purchased anymore. How did this work out to be Gold costing TWICE what it did instead? I am seriously baffled right now.
They got rid of the year option, raising the minimum annual cost from $60 to $100, but really $120 for many who will just sub monthly for $10. So it’s basically twice as expensive as PS Plus now.
So yeah when Microsoft quietly says “fuck you pay us double“ everyone hears “it’ll be free soon” ... and I don’t get it.
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Delpij
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Hopium. Looks like so.
Gamernyc78
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In this context (don't get confused with baked lighting lol) it sounds good, hardware based.
IntentionalPun
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In the past, controllers and all the accessories were big money makers, both for the brand and the retailer. Maybe that has changed a great deal.
Edit: Here's that old BOM estimate for PS4/Xbone that made the rounds back in the day.
If anything, the XSX version is very well refined and is cheaper to produce than the original X1 design. But again, who knows.
Well aside from being estimates, that's someone's estimated BOM not Cost (cost of goods sold.)
edit: Don't get me wrong they are money makers for sure either way
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Sinthor
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You know, it's funny how perspective changes everything, right? So when Chrysler started offering electronic anti-lock brakes in the early 70's that was anti-consumer? Any number of other examples. Apple's app store..anti consumer. It all depends on the consumer, right? For the consumers of a specific brand, like in this case, some exclusive bell and whistle are advantages or bonuses. If we're going to call all such things that don't expressly work to the benefit of ALL consumers 'anti-consumer' then we're going to be busy beavers indeed.
I get what people are saying, but exclusivity deals, while being annoying for those impacted more negatively, are also POSITIVE for other consumers. Given the install base disparity between Sony and MS, one COULD argue that these deals benefit the vast majority of the console gaming consumers.
Bottom line, I get it. The complaints are fine as well- it is what it is. I remember people complaining non-stop over Microsoft's 'moneyhat' deals in the 360 era. But in the end, that was Microsoft trying to expand their position radically and compete against an established market leader. I'm not sure that was a major factor, but the 360 generation was certainly their most successful.
I don't personally like exclusivity and even timed exclusivity deals, because they potentially have a negative effect on me. For example, I'd like to play Hellblade 2 as soon as it comes out- I really liked the first one. But...Microsoft is going to use this, whether as a full exclusive or a timed one, to try and drive adoption of their hardware product. I respect that.
I just really don't think there's any way to do away with these types of deals. Manufacturers of ANY product will always try to include features above and beyond their competition to give themselves an advantage. It just strikes me as a bit entitled to try and couch any such situation as 'anti-consumer' as if all consumers are a monolith or that there's one 'pro consumer' way of doing things. Not ripping on anyone complaining about this- this is just my opinion on it after thinking about the issue over the years and in more than just the gaming market.
DaGwaphics
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True, it's just hard to believe that a controller could drop the price $50 (speaking from a manufacturing cost perspective). The controller doesn't have a revenue tail on it's own, unlike say the BR drive on the PS5 DE. But, maybe if the unit is really small, you might have additional packaging/shipping savings.
Sinthor
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Yeah I don't think the cost savings is $50.True, it's just hard to believe that a controller could drop the price $50 (speaking from a manufacturing cost perspective). The controller doesn't have a revenue tail on it's own, unlike say the BR drive on the PS5 DE. But, maybe if the unit is really small, you might have additional packaging/shipping savings.
But if you assume a high percentage eventually have to give you $60 for a new controller when the cheeto stains ruin their old one, it's a wash in the end.
However this is yet another pulled out of someone's ass Xbox rumor... lol.. so probably not true either way
Darklor01
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True, it's just hard to believe that a controller could drop the price $50 (speaking from a manufacturing cost perspective). The controller doesn't have a revenue tail on it's own, unlike say the BR drive on the PS5 DE. But, maybe if the unit is really small, you might have additional packaging/shipping savings.
The controller wouldn’t drop the console cost by $50, the cost would drop by $50 by not including the controller as a way to market the value of the deal and sell more hardware. It’s win win.
If you have a controller, you save $50 and maybe that convinces you to buy the console. If you don’t, it nets back to the same price as the console would have including the controller by you needing to buy one separately.
Edit: Any way the get you to buy the box gets you to buy the software and services where the real money is made for them.
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MasterCornholio
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It says in the description DLSS like feature.
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