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PlayStation 5 [OT] Taking Over The World One SSD At A Time
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bitbydeath
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GTAVI rumour again?
AeneaGames
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Bryank75
Banned
Probably Rockstar anyway... at least Take Two or Activision. It's never going to be EA....
JonnyMP3
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The craziest thing that people haven't realised yet for some reason is that it's not a 5.5GB/per second machine.
It's it is when raw and that'll be handy for indie games. But no AAA is going to go uncompressed.
The machine is a 9GB to 22GB per second machine because the hardware has a custom Kraken decompression chip to go along with the Kraken compression software licence... That Sony are giving away to every developer. So basically everything can be Krakened from day 1 which means a minimum of 9GB/s worth of data can be streamed off the SSD.
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Bo_Hazem
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Fuck! Have one of these pills, I want him back even if he smells worse:
sircaw
Banned
Fuck! Have one of these pills, I want him back even if he smells worse:
You can catch me on the way out Bo, hope the pressure is not too high.
hemo memo
Gold Member
The craziest thing that people haven't realised yet for some reason is that it's not a 5.5GB/per second machine.
It's it is when raw and that'll be handy for indie games. But no AAA is going to go uncompressed.
The machine is a 9GB to 22GB per second machine because the hardware has a custom Kraken decompression chip to go along with the Kraken compression software licence... That Sony are giving away to every developer. So basically everything can be Krakened from day which means a minimum of 9GB/s worth of data can be streamed off the SSD.
So basically no limits this time around. The only limit is dev creativity. What got me really excited is how Cerny talked about the change of level design. Screw 4K and 120fps. Change of level design is what will define next gen.
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Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
It might not just be about moneyhats. There were some rumours that certain publishers are not exactly excited at the prospect of the gamepass model getting too much traction and therefore see PlayStation as a natural place to market their games as PS Now is not being promoted as a place for new games to launch.
HAL-01
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Sony is throwing as much money at their AI Machine learning team as they can, the latest AI upscaling patent is an early result of that. Sony’s plan is likely to create something to rival DLSS or even surpass it, that would allow them to render most games internally at 1080p.
If that were to happen we’d see a ridiculous 8X increase in visual fidelity over PS4, contrary to only 2X if 4K was rendered natively.
sircaw
Banned
I have decided to turn over a new leaf and be good from now on.
JonnyMP3
Member
Yeah this is going to be where Fromsoft gamers will all collectively destroy themselves!
Imagine after getting the legendary 'YOU DIED' screen and not having to wait for the slow ass game to boot back up all the assets from the last save point. It immediately just loads up the from shrine/sword/lamp/link so you can go off on your merry way to get slaughtered again.
They might have to put a 'Press X to start again' button just to give people a fucking minute or 2.
MasterCornholio
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The craziest thing that people haven't realised yet for some reason is that it's not a 5.5GB/per second machine.
It's it is when raw and that'll be handy for indie games. But no AAA is going to go uncompressed.
The machine is a 9GB to 22GB per second machine because the hardware has a custom Kraken decompression chip to go along with the Kraken compression software licence... That Sony are giving away to every developer. So basically everything can be Krakened from day which means a minimum of 9GB/s worth of data can be streamed off the SSD.
Don't forget that they have Oodle Textures now so that's going to help as well.
sircaw
Banned
I have decided to turn over a new leaf and be good from now on.
You may refer to me as Angel Eye's from now on.
I was not meant to quote myself doh!
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JonnyMP3
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I haven't because part of the reason why Kraken can go up to 22GB/s from the normal 9GB/s is by supposedly by coding the textures with Oodle.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
MasterCornholio
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I thought that information was given before they got Oodle Textures.
hemo memo
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They said it’s nothing and if there is news it’ll come from the SH official account which is created last month.
JonnyMP3
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Oodle Textures were made by Ready at Dawn (corrected as RAD Tools) who also make Kraken. It's just an encoding algorithm for textures that compress well with Kraken so can be decoded by the Kraken decompressor. I think it's part of the free Kraken licence from Sony but it just wasn't announced by name.
Edit: check this thread for more. I need to go through it better tbh.
Kraken benchmarks, perf analysis (with and without RDO). What PS5 hardware will be capable of.
https://cbloomrants.blogspot.com/2020/07/performance-of-various-compressors-on.html TL;DR Dataset 1 (Texture data BC1,3,4,5, and 7. Mix of diffuse, normals, etc.) Kraken ratio: 1.76:1 (PS5 perf will be: 5.5GB/sec * 1.76 = 9.68GB/sec) Kraken + RDO ratio: 3.13:1 (PS5 perf will be: 5.5GB/sec *...
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AeneaGames
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Especially the earlier models had severe issues with noise. My Pro became really, really loud that I started to dislike playing with a passion. It had always been loud, right from the start but it became worse over time and it's placed with nothing around it and I cleaned it out every few weeks.
Last year I bought a new PC and it was more than capable to play many games at better settings than my Pro so I almost decided to go full PC and join the Veteran crowd! (haha, never that!). Then I decided "f this, I just buy a new one!", so I bought a new Pro late last year for not that much anyway, with a free game that I sold, blabla, this thing is whisper quiet! Even while playing the exact same games on my previous one!
Where with the old one I put the thing to sleep even when I took a short break to get some food in me due to the way too loud noise now I forget many a time the Pro is still on running a game. If you listen for it carefully you can hear it's on but you won't notice it when you don't know.
Currently my PC makes way, way more fan noise when running a demanding game than my new Pro does!
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Either you are half deaf or have noisy apartment, or both
Even switch is easy to hear from 2-4m away when docked, on normal quiet apartment(no aircon/traffic noises etc) and it is super quiet vs pro.
Unless you live in mansion and game from 10m / 30feet, it is kind of impossible to believe that you would not hear it, if apartment isnt noisy / hearing is normal.
Because it would mean that the console is max 20-30dB close by(under background noise levels) and that is hard to believe as most are measured around 50-70dB which is like tens/hundred time more than that
Of course if you have fan, noisy fan running next to it, it is hard to hear
Here is mine, never cleaned ever, got it in Nov. 2016 and I game on it more than 24 hours sometimes non-stop:
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Bryank75
Banned
Bit weird though....why create a new SH account? They wouldn't do it for DLC....
Also the 'it would be announced at a conference or something' comment was strange..
AeneaGames
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Ya know what's funny? That this game looks a lot better than Halo does and is made by 1 person instead of a team of 500!
AeneaGames
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Bryank75
Banned
Yes, many of the games XBox showed are just launch exclusives... The Medium is also coming to PS5 and Chorvs too...
HeisenbergFX4
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Something tells me we are getting multiple Sony events over the next 6 weeks or so.
AeneaGames
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Or it's a Bloodborne situation? Pay tons of money to known devs to make an actual exclusive?
If most of your revenue is still coming from PS consoles anyway why not I'd say! And heck, they can even do a PC port straight away too, just not on team green!
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Though I have to say, I'm also kinda hoping Sony created some new studios or added a second (or 3rd or 4th) team to existing studios so they can crank out more games. How awesome would it be if Sony announced that secretly they started to hire people for extra dev teams 3+ years ago so they could have a gigantic line up for the PS5 in the first few years alone!
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Bryank75
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Something or someone?
AeneaGames
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Fuck! Have one of these pills, I want him back even if he smells worse:
I tried one of those! He's out again! But then I flushed him 'by accident', sigh.... So sorry!
hemo memo
Gold Member
An event the start of the month and another at the end of it?
Bo_Hazem
Banned
AeneaGames
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Oodle Textures were made by Ready at Dawn who also make Kraken. It's just an encoding algorithm for textures that compress well with Kraken so can be decoded by the Kraken decompressor. I think it's part of the free Kraken licence from Sony but it just wasn't announced by name.
Edit: check this thread for more. I need to go through it better tbh.
Kraken benchmarks, perf analysis (with and without RDO). What PS5 hardware will be capable of.
https://cbloomrants.blogspot.com/2020/07/performance-of-various-compressors-on.html TL;DR Dataset 1 (Texture data BC1,3,4,5, and 7. Mix of diffuse, normals, etc.) Kraken ratio: 1.76:1 (PS5 perf will be: 5.5GB/sec * 1.76 = 9.68GB/sec) Kraken + RDO ratio: 3.13:1 (PS5 perf will be: 5.5GB/sec *...www.neogaf.com
Ehh, it's made by RAD yes, but a different RAD than Ready at Dawn...
RAD Game Tools
RAD Game Tools' web page. RAD makes Bink Video, the Telemetry Performance Visualization System, and Oodle Data Compression - all popular video game middleware.
www.radgametools.com
hemo memo
Gold Member
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
State of Play early Aug going into games. Some sort of video digging deep into UI and other functions of the system not yet announced late Aug then tear down video early Sept.
Might swap those last event but timing would remain the same.
AeneaGames
Member
Hmmmm, was that something a source of some kind? Hmm?
I can imagine several too tho:
- state of play, more gameplay from known games and 3rd party games, PS5 patches for PS4 games
- hardware tear down
- Gamescom presentation with more new game announcements, pricing, OS, more info about BC, etc.
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GermanZepp
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Bryank75
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You know about San Diego, right?
If they were to buy someone significant, who would you choose?
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Have heard this from a few different people now and no I dont mean some of these Youtuber guys.
Bryank75
Banned
Any guesses on what Rand, Jez and Imran are hinting to? You think it's R* or something smaller?
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I don't follow those guys so no clue whats even being said.
Curious though so might try to find what you are talking about.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Hardware unboxing, GoW2 reveal, SH2, the possibilities are many
JonnyMP3
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Yeah I was referring to them. Just my brain translates the name. But if you click on the page and go under Oodle. That's where you see Oodle Kraken because Kraken is part of the Oodle software package that includes Oodle TexturesEhh, it's made by RAD yes, but a different RAD than Ready at Dawn...
RAD Game Tools
RAD Game Tools' web page. RAD makes Bink Video, the Telemetry Performance Visualization System, and Oodle Data Compression - all popular video game middleware.
Same makers so not RAD the development studio who are now a part of Facebook IIRC.
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Bryank75
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Would be cool to get an idea of the impact it could have...although they are in great shape anyway.
Nickolaidas
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So we'll be getting stuff on the next 8-10 days or so?
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Its not set in stone but I am fairly certain we do get a SOP very soon now.
Dave_at_Home
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I honestly don't think Sony or Microsoft have anything in their respective boxes that can do D.L.S.S. like reconstruction. Although, at least on the Sony end of things, considering how important checkerboard rendering was for PS4 Pro, I'm surprised they haven't talked about it for PS5. I mean, they must have improved checkerboard rendering for PS5, right? Is checkerboard rendering how Insomniac is reaching 60 frames on Spiderman? Maybe we'll find out.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Wouldn’t be surprised if Sony secured big time exclusives. People can cry all
they want but exclusives, timed or otherwise, have always been a thing and the competition is already doing it.
If Jim Ryan isn’t expanding PlayStation studios, then he gotta do something else with the budget.
they want but exclusives, timed or otherwise, have always been a thing and the competition is already doing it.
If Jim Ryan isn’t expanding PlayStation studios, then he gotta do something else with the budget.
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