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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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On PS4 and Xbox One, The Witcher 3 had a pretty drastic difference in texture and lighting quality (EDIT: for clarity, I mean between cinematic and gameplay on the same console, not between one and the other console):

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Same exact room, during and immediately after a dialogue.
When in a cutscene devs know where the camera will be and what will happen so it gets easier to streamline what is being rendered and loaded. I believe we will see much more higher quality assets on gameplay in the next-gen consoles as those assets won’t need to be always in RAM to reduce loading, they can be streamed as needed with ease.

Edit: This is quite common if you go out of bounds in games, you’ll usually find the cutscene-grade models hidden somewhere. They are there to pre-load.
 
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onQ123

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“[Xsex is] The most consistently powerful console” as Phil S put it. It’s a curious choice of wording at that point given the marketing message prior to July 23.

Analysing that phrase, it implies “Inconsistently, [the Xsex is] not the most powerful console”.

But that doesn’t seem to fit with the specs MS/Sony have produced. So why use those subtle word games at this stage?

Probably doesn’t mean anything - just seemed like weird phrasing at the time.


It kinda does though , Xbox Series X will always have a compute advantage while PS5 will do some data juggling that will lead to it processing more data than Xbox Series X in a lot of situations.
 

ToadMan

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It kinda does though , Xbox Series X will always have a compute advantage while PS5 will do some data juggling that will lead to it processing more data than Xbox Series X in a lot of situations.

I don’t know why MS would tip their hand if this is what they’re referring to. They defined their power lead on tflops - that hasn’t and won’t change so to now modify that position on the implied capability of the PS5 outside of the tflop comparison seems unnecessary.


They’re taking a jab at Sony, the whole 9TF FUD. Nothing to see there.

Yep could be a hamfisted swipe at Sony given it seems to call into question the power lead of the Xsex.

But yeah, I can imagine Phil S has poor language skills and didn’t really consider what that phrase could be taken to mean.
 
On PS4 and Xbox One, The Witcher 3 had a pretty drastic difference in texture and lighting quality (EDIT: for clarity, I mean between cinematic and gameplay on the same console, not between one and the other console):

Velen_29.jpg

Velen_30.jpg


Same exact room, during and immediately after a dialogue.
Brah, no need to reenact your mom’s morning after stories, us Polaks tend to underwhelm in the morning...
 
But yeah, I can imagine Phil S has poor language skills and didn’t really consider what that phrase could be taken to mean.
I don’t think Phil is a console warrior per se, but he is the face of Xbox and that requires him to say some things he doesn’t understand/care but the marketing team wants. I can totally see this being a Greenberg thing under influence of some podcast hosts.

Anyway, it’s better to get back on topic.
 

Panajev2001a

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I don’t think Phil is a console warrior per se, but he is the face of Xbox and that requires him to say some things he doesn’t understand/care but the marketing team wants. I can totally see this being a Greenberg thing under influence of some podcast hosts.

Anyway, it’s better to get back on topic.

Not even as VP and head of all things Xbox can Phil be held accountable for what he says? Still someone else’s fault / not his responsibility? Teflon Phil indeed...
 
And people thought that DF not founding evidence of VRS in PS5 was a bad thing...

This will go down in history as one of the most bizarre takes in videogames history... people upset for Sony present them a pristine 4K native image just for the sake of arguing about a feature..

It just shows how people in this fĂłruns can be so detached from reality.. caught in their own bubbles..

But I love it anyway :messenger_grinning_sweat:
 

Redlight

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I don’t know why MS would tip their hand if this is what they’re referring to. They defined their power lead on tflops - that hasn’t and won’t change so to now modify that position on the implied capability of the PS5 outside of the tflop comparison seems unnecessary.

Yep could be a hamfisted swipe at Sony given it seems to call into question the power lead of the Xsex.

But yeah, I can imagine Phil S has poor language skills and didn’t really consider what that phrase could be taken to mean.

Looks like your superior analysis has exposed Phil's dirty secret! Either that or you're reading far too much into this.

Let me help you, The Series X is the most powerful console and that power is consistently available.

I don't think it's Phil's poor language skills so much, more a comprehension thing.
 

Bill O'Rights

Seldom posts. Always delivers.
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We've been keeping an eye on this thread the past few days. There really doesn't seem to be much merit in it existing any more. Hardly anything is on topic any more, people are posting any random tweets about game sales/general snippets of anythign design related, and despite many requests you still can't speak to each in a civil manner. Instead, preferring to just click the report button. We made this clear last time, sort out your own problems. If you are not going to self moderate by using the ignore feature or press down until a post you don't like disappears from the screen, then you are responsible for your own misery. And before anyone announces any 'conspiracy theories', we've had crying xbox fans and crying playstation fans reporting posts. And just to be clear, before the dramatisation is added, the number of xbox fans was slightly higher (but not significantly).
 

ZywyPL

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Oh Shit! Here comes Pacman...
Better behave this time kids

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Bill O'Rights Bill O'Rights this is what's left with this thread, there's no speculations, analysis, news, discussion, no nothing, it's lost its purpose months ago, closing and re-opening it over and over again won't change anything, please do everyone a favor and just close the thread permanently, nothing good will ever come from it ever again.
 

EliteSmurf

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Well Matt said this two days ago on ResetEra 👀
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Seems to be the case as we've gotten the Avengers news regarding Spiderman being exclusive.

Imran Khan (said Sony was spending a lot of money to have a ridiculous first year for PS5) had this to say after the Spiderman being an exclusive character in the Avengers game was announced :

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Seems like this is just the beginning when it comes to timed exclusives/exclusive content for the PS5.

The rumours of Final Fantasy 16 being exclusive to PS5 for a while may be true after all.
 

JonnyMP3

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Bill O'Rights Bill O'Rights this is what's left with this thread, there's no speculations, analysis, news, discussion, no nothing, it's lost its purpose months ago, closing and re-opening it over and over again won't change anything, please do everyone a favor and just close the thread permanently, nothing good will ever come from it ever again.

We made this clear last time, sort out your own problems. If you are not going to self moderate by using the ignore feature or press down until a post you don't like disappears from the screen, then you are responsible for your own misery.
 

Lunatic_Gamer

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PS4 Has Shipped 112.3 Million Units; PS5 Release Still on Track For The Holidays

We also learn that sales of both The Last of Us Part II and Ghost of Tsushima are “trending well,” while Sony aims to expand user engagement in view of the launch of PlayStation 5.

“Although production of PlayStation 4 hardware was slightly impacted due to issues in the component supply chain, these issues have now been addressed. Sales of game software that is downloaded from the network, as well as PlayStation Plus (“PS Plus”) and PlayStation Now subscriber numbers, have significantly increased.

Regarding the launch of PlayStation 5 (“PS5”), although factors such as constraints due to employees working from home and restrictions on international travel remain, necessary measures are being taken and preparations are underway with the launch of the console scheduled for the 2020 holiday season.

At this time, no major problems have arisen in the game software development pipeline for Sony’s own first-party studios or its partners’ studios.”


 
this is what's left with this thread, there's no speculations, analysis, news, discussion, no nothing, it's lost its purpose months ago, closing and re-opening it over and over again won't change anything, please do everyone a favor and just close the thread permanently, nothing good will ever come from it ever again.
People came in and are happy to open the branch, but you came right in with a whine. What's your problem? If you don't like the subject, get out of here.
 

sircaw

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Bill O'Rights Bill O'Rights this is what's left with this thread, there's no speculations, analysis, news, discussion, no nothing, it's lost its purpose months ago, closing and re-opening it over and over again won't change anything, please do everyone a favor and just close the thread permanently, nothing good will ever come from it ever again.

Why not just stop coming here if you feel that way. I was reading a couple of people's posts yesterday in another thread saying they were happy this thread was shut down if only temporary. That same person will be in here today moaning again.

Just stay away, there are another 50 threads you can post in.
 

geordiemp

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PS4 Has Shipped 112.3 Million Units; PS5 Release Still on Track For The Holidays

We also learn that sales of both The Last of Us Part II and Ghost of Tsushima are “trending well,” while Sony aims to expand user engagement in view of the launch of PlayStation 5.


1 billion dollar profit for q1, I think ps5 subsidy is not out of teh question.

Personaly I hope they increased memory chips to 16 gbps from 14 but they would of had to do this > 6 months ago IMO.
 

Shmunter

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Anyway, back to XBLG :


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Bummer if true. So, no free online. Possibly only for F2P ( as it should )

IMO, Xcloud will be included ONLY with Gamepass Ultimate
Surely this is a jest. No online play for a la carte users, gamepass or go home?

That would be beyond belief. Don’t ruin my hopes of Xbox being my second console Ms you charlatans.

What would this do to individual game sales on the platform? I cannot believe it.
 
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jimbojim

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PS4 Has Shipped 112.3 Million Units; PS5 Release Still on Track For The Holidays

We also learn that sales of both The Last of Us Part II and Ghost of Tsushima are “trending well,” while Sony aims to expand user engagement in view of the launch of PlayStation 5.





Bunch of exclusive deals. LOL

Anyway, PS4 is still tracking above PS2. But i think it won't sell 150 mil. And there is no forecast for PS4 sales.
 

Lunatic_Gamer

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The image is what I previously said that was gonna happen. And for the most part it’s correct and will be proven more so in the next couple of weeks. A tear down will come not too long after the State of Play, at max 2 weeks. The price will be revealed and preorders will be available this month. Now I’m allowed to give some more information. There will be more announcement in a couple of weeks. I’m not Sure if it will be a dedicated PlayStation event Or if it will be associated with the GamesCOM opening night live. But, more is coming. Sony still has a big multiplayer game coming close to the launch of the PS5. Some other tidbits I know is:

- a slight hardware revision/upgrade.
- the major third party deals that Sony has secured. Such as locked off content exclusively for Sony that will definitely stir up some controversy. One in which that will be revealed in a couple days.
- the detailing/revision of Its services that will come soon such as PlayStation Now and Ps Plus.
-( I hid the secret Sony game somewhere in the text.)
I’ll be in touch



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Well Matt said this two days ago on ResetEra 👀
JhM8bJq.jpg


Seems to be the case as we've gotten the Avengers news regarding Spiderman being exclusive.

Imran Khan (said Sony was spending a lot of money to have a ridiculous first year for PS5) had this to say after the Spiderman being an exclusive character in the Avengers game was announced :

xkcWMV9.png


GOvo3PC.png


Seems like this is just the beginning when it comes to timed exclusives/exclusive content for the PS5.

The rumours of Final Fantasy 16 being exclusive to PS5 for a while may be true after all.

It's going to be a good generation guys
 
I think that with various types of optimizations, new consoles will already be able to perform similar effects using simulation in games:


Even in this generation, there were already games that used similar, but not as complex, effects. Alienation, for example, where the fluid simulation system was already used (grid voxel based 64x16x64, less than 1ms on base PS4 in async compute) I'm not talking about GPU PhysX in the Batman Arkham Knight on PC. Which just works really fine on my RTX2070.
 
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FranXico

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Well Matt said this two days ago on ResetEra 👀
JhM8bJq.jpg


Seems to be the case as we've gotten the Avengers news regarding Spiderman being exclusive.

Imran Khan (said Sony was spending a lot of money to have a ridiculous first year for PS5) had this to say after the Spiderman being an exclusive character in the Avengers game was announced :

xkcWMV9.png


GOvo3PC.png


Seems like this is just the beginning when it comes to timed exclusives/exclusive content for the PS5.

The rumours of Final Fantasy 16 being exclusive to PS5 for a while may be true after all.
Crap. Moneyhats are a waste of money long term. They should be growing and expanding their existing first party studios. Too many were unjustly shut down this gen!
 

Dodkrake

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If the rumors are anything to go by, we can have Socom coming back and a slight hardware revision? The one may be credible, especially with GaaS becoming more prevalent, but I still don't see the second one being possible apart of some sort of RAM bandwidth revision or more RAM (for example, OS dedicated RAM).
 

FranXico

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If the rumors are anything to go by, we can have Socom coming back and a slight hardware revision? The one may be credible, especially with GaaS becoming more prevalent, but I still don't see the second one being possible apart of some sort of RAM bandwidth revision or more RAM (for example, OS dedicated RAM).
If the slight specs upgrade is due to unexpectedly good yields (a couple more CUs enabled), the XSX will get it too.
 
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