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Recap: The Value Of Xbox Game Pass Keeps Getting More Insane

DavidGzz

Member
honestly starting to wonder if Gamepass is being shilled. the endless threads about the exact same subject is incredible. either that or a lot of insecurity

it would be like 5 threads a week made by nintendo or sony fans about how many highly rated exclusives they have.

and it's funny to see how many people MS have successfully convinced that console sales aren't important.

The same could be said of Sony shills making endless Craig or other Halo threads just to diss on it. At least Game Pass is a positive topic, unless you're a concerned fanboy.
 
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Deleted member 775630

Unconfirmed Member
People think that just because something is available on the PC makes the other devices useless. The logic is so flawed and people who think like that are just beyond. Ignorant.

They are forgetting that a GPU alone will cost them roughly $1,200 or more that is equal to the Xbox Series X or PS5. That's not including a CPU, Motherboard, Ram, Monitor, Keyboard, Power Supply, Case and Mouse, and a copy of Windows 10. Fucking idiots.

I want too see what kind of performance they can get out of $499 PC. DMs are open, show me your amazing 4K60 or 4K120 builds with Ray Tracing on PC at $499. Please enlighten me. Thanks.
Not only that, also the ease of use of a console. Plug & play, automatic updates, OS and interface created purely for gaming. I get that you can build your own gaming PC, and remove as many bottlenecks as possible and plug it in on your TV, but it's still not the same.
 

DavidGzz

Member
Imagine if it was Sony's Game Pass, on a forum that is 80% Sony the front page would have 20 Game Pass threads.

Not only that, also the ease of use of a console. Plug & play, automatic updates, OS and interface created purely for gaming. I get that you can build your own gaming PC, and remove as many bottlenecks as possible and plug it in on your TV, but it's still not the same.

Yep, there is a reason Xbox despite it's poor showing this gen sold 50 million, The Switch is selling like crazy, and Playstation as well. Console gaming is huge cause most casuals aren't going to futz with PC gaming. People actually think XSX and XSS combined will sell worse than Xbox One. Not a chance, the market for console gaming is huge, Game Pass will get more and more popular, and just because a lot of the enthusiasts on this forum are PS+PC gamers, doesn't mean that is prevalent at all among the casuals that make up the bulk of the sales.
 
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Kokoloko85

Member
Either prove it or fuck off.

Enough is enough of this shit.

You don’t see people calling everyone that praises the SSD Sony shills.

You bring nothing but negativity to the discourse, and then accuse them when they push back.

Show me how Many threads we have of the SSD in the last week and show me how maby gamepass threads are made this week?

Narrative of making gamepass threads:

Bumchum 1: Gamepass value is amazing ( heard it a million times )

Bumchum 2: O I can play it on my tablet

Bumchum 3: I can play it on my PC.


Bumchum 4: O well done MS, you dont want to sell xbox Consoles anymore. Only gamepass. We’re winning Something!
We only made 3 consoleSKU’s in 3 years, of course we dont want to sell them though. Gamepass is all thats important to us.


Rotate comments and circle jerk each other.....
 

FunkMiller

Gold Member
Said it before, say it again... GamePass is a great deal if you’re already an Xbox or PC gamer. But I don’t see how it gets fresh people to buy into the ecosystem, given how expensive a PC or Xbox is to buy. And if your marketing strategy is only to retain existing customers, you will be in trouble quickly. Services don’t sell consoles, games do.
 
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Kagey K

Banned
Show me how Many threads we have of the SSD in the last week and show me how maby gamepass threads are made this week?

Narrative of making gamepass threads:

Bumchum 1: Gamepass value is amazing ( heard it a million times )

Bumchum 2: O I can play it on my tablet

Bumchum 3: I can play it on my PC.


Bumchum 4: O well done MS, you dont want to sell xbox Consoles anymore. Only gamepass. We’re winning Something!
We only made 3 consoleSKU’s in 3 years, of course we dont want to sell them though. Gamepass is all thats important to us.


Rotate comments and circle jerk each other.....
So exactly the same, but different because you said so. 👍

Sorry shill, don’t participate if it offends you.
 

Kokoloko85

Member
I'm sorry you don't feel it's as relevant as the threads praising Sony, but barging in and throwing accusations like that.. really?

O sorry you think Im just a Sony fan.
How many threads do we need to advertise Gamepass?

Has the service changed in the last day for a thread to be made about it?
 

Kagey K

Banned
O sorry you think Im just a Sony fan.
How many threads do we need to advertise Gamepass?

Has the service changed in the last day for a thread to be made about it?
Did the SSD change from announcement? Yet we have hundreds of threads.

Did the PS5 suddenly become better then the series X because we have hundreds of threads.

No matter how you justify it facts are facts, and you can’t get upset due to them.
 

Kokoloko85

Member
Did the SSD change from announcement? Yet we have hundreds of threads.

Did the PS5 suddenly become better then the series X because we have hundreds of threads.

No matter how you justify it facts are facts, and you can’t get upset due to them.

People were having a debate about new technology.
Plenty of Xbox fans were making threads about the SSD saying what do you prefer, 12tpfs or fast SSD...? And how the SSD is lame.

People just say the same thing about gamepass.

Its like if i make threads about PS4. .... PS4 is great value console, look at the games...... ok we know that.
But let me make a thread about how many millions its sold... ok we know that.

Let me make a thread when a youtuber says PS4 is awesome....
Lets mae a thread if they release a new game on PS now....

if you get what I mean. Its just advertisement. And yes there that for the PS5 too, I admit.

Yes, Facts are Facts. Im not getting upset at them. Its repetitve.

Game pass is a great value product for 1st party games And such.
Its not different to PS now apart from 1st party games on launch. And you can download on PC.
its not making MS much money at the moment
Its doesnt let you own anything: Alot of consumers want to own there digital or disc based games.

MS does care about how many consoles they sell. Lets not pretend its all about gamepass for MS
 
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silent head

Member

Xbox Game Pass: 12 Month Membership= $119


Xbox Game Pass Ultimate: 3 Month Membership= $44.99

Xbox Game Pass Ultimate: 12 Month Membership = $ 179.99



PlayStation Now: 12 Month Subscription=$ 59.99


The Value Of Xbox Game Pass Keeps Getting More Insane ?????


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Kokoloko85

Member
I'm sorry you don't feel it's as relevant as the threads praising Sony, but barging in and throwing accusations like that.. really?

Fair enough.I was having my laugh about the shill talk.
Circle jerk gamepass ritual happens every day or 2 though lol
 

DavidGzz

Member
Said it before, say it again... GamePass is a great deal if you’re already an Xbox or PC gamer. But I don’t see how it gets fresh people to buy into the ecosystem, given how expensive a PC or Xbox is to buy. And if your marketing strategy is only to retain existing customers, you will be in trouble quickly. Services don’t sell consoles, games do.

Simple, the bulk of console sales are by casuals who don't hold as much loyalty to Sony or MS as the hardcore on here. Someone tells them what Game Pass is, how much it costs, and what games they get and a cheaper XSS looks very attractive. At least, that is what I believe the Xbox divisions hopes are. Many of them were probably 360 owners so seeing that Halo, Fable, Gears, Forza, etc will be included may also help "win" them back. Parents who want to get their kids a console see how many games their kids will have access to for a low price and how cheap XSS is may go with Xbox. Maybe not this year because XSS may still be expensive but there will be a cheap Xbox One S for those folks. Then in the coming years, MS should have the cheapest console year after year. I myself, as a parent will be way more likely to get my kids a XSS+GPU over a second PS5. They can play Spiderman on mine and they will have GPU for everything else.

You say games sell consoles, well Xbox's whole showcase featured games that are all launching on Game Pass. Then you still have 8-9 studios that didn't show anything yet.
 

Kagey K

Banned
People were having a debate about new technology.
Plenty of Xbox fans were making threads about the SSD saying what do you prefer, 12tpfs or fast SSD...? And how the SSD is lame.

People just say the same thing about gamepass.

Its like if i make threads about PS4. .... PS4 is great value console, look at the games...... ok we know that.
But let me make a thread about how many millions its sold... ok we know that.

Let me make a thread when a youtuber says PS4 is awesome....
Lets mae a thread if they release a new game on PS now....

if you get what I mean.

Facts are Facts:

Game pass is a great value product for 1st party games And such.
Its not different to PS now apart from 1st party games on launch. And you can download on PC.
its not making MS much money at the moment
Its doesnt let you own anything: Alot of consumers want to own there digital or disc based games.

MS does care about how many consoles they sell. Lets not pretend its all about gamepass for MS
It’s fine, every time someone argues that PS5 is better then a Series X Im yelling shill.

If you can, I can also.

Theeads are made over meaningless shit daily, that what keeps the forum moving.

Otherwise, everyone would buy the series X and get the best games there next gen and the forum would stagnate. 😅

See what I did there? Shill?
 

Kagey K

Banned

Xbox Game Pass: 12 Month Membership= $119


Xbox Game Pass Ultimate: 3 Month Membership= $44.99

Xbox Game Pass Ultimate: 12 Month Membership = $ 179.99



PlayStation Now: 12 Month Subscription=$ 59.99


The Value Of Xbox Game Pass Keeps Getting More Insane ?????


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Did you bother to check both the monetary and sentimental value of the games?

Or are you just trying to be obtuse?

Im going with option 2.

PSNow has 1/5 of the subscribers for a reason, yet you want to pretend they are the same.
 
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FunkMiller

Gold Member
Simple, the bulk of console sales are by casuals who don't hold as much loyalty to Sony or MS as the hardcore on here. Someone tells them what Game Pass is, how much it costs, and what games they get and a cheaper XSS looks very attractive. At least, that is what I believe the Xbox divisions hopes are. Many of them were probably 360 owners so seeing that Halo, Fable, Gears, Forza, etc will be included may also help "win" them back. Parents who want to get their kids a console see how many games their kids will have access to for a low price and how cheap XSS is may go with Xbox. Maybe not this year because XSS may still be expensive but there will be a cheap Xbox One S for those folks. Then in the coming years, MS should have the cheapest console year after year. I myself, as a parent will be way more likely to get my kids a XSS+GPU over a second PS5. They can play Spiderman on mine and they will have GPU for everything else.

You say games sell consoles, well Xbox's whole showcase featured games that are all launching on Game Pass. Then you still have 8-9 studios that didn't show anything yet.

OK, but here’s the counter argument:

”I have a PS4. I will buy a Ps5, because I know it’ll have the exclusives I want.”
 

Kokoloko85

Member
It’s fine, every time someone argues that PS5 is better then a Series X Im yelling shill.

If you can, I can also.

Theeads are made over meaningless shit daily, that what keeps the forum moving.

Otherwise, everyone would buy the series X and get the best games there next gen and the forum would stagnate. 😅

See what I did there? Shill?

Thats fair enough.
Im sure there are plenty of shill’s on both sides. They are multi billion dollar companies, Im sure they have a few people on these forums lurking.

I admit Im a playstation and Nintendo fanboy.
If I went out there and made threads about how people should buy a PS4 because it has an amazing library of game everyday, Id call msyelf a shill lol. And Id say to the PS4 threads, there getting boring and repetitive. But I admit my way of doing it towards gamepass threads is not the right way of doing it lol.

Apologies for the shill comments, but you got to let me keep the circle jerking bokkake theme Ive got going for gamepass threads lol
 

Kagey K

Banned
OK, but here’s the counter argument:

”I have a PS4. I will buy a Ps5, because I know it’ll have the exclusives I want.”
So 3 games a year, what do you play outside those? And what if some of those don’t interest you?

Spider man had a 1/10 buy ratio after bundles, and that is their most successful.

Do exclusives really matter at that point?
 

Kokoloko85

Member
Did you bother to check both the monetary and sentimental value of the games?

Or are you just trying to be obtuse?

Im going with option 2.

PSNow has 1/5 of the subscribers for a reason, yet you want to pretend they are the same.

I feel PS now hasn’t really gone into full swing yet. They done a bad job with Gakai and not having there old PS1/PS2 titles on the service Right away. Like the whole PSP/PS3 and Vita library could be transferred to PS now...

Service wise, apart from not having 1st party games on launch and PS3 games for download.. I think they do a decent job, not the same amount of 3rd party games as Gamepass though.
 

DavidGzz

Member
OK, but here’s the counter argument:

”I have a PS4. I will buy a Ps5, because I know it’ll have the exclusives I want.”

That will happen, but what I posted has a good chance to happen as well. And you say an Xbox or PC is expensive, you're forgetting Xcloud. MS could have an app download for all of the Smart TV's out there. It can also be an app for the 50 million Xbox Ones already in homes or for the phones everyone has. The weakest computer out there can run an Xcloud app. People are underestimating GPU+Xcloud.
 

Kerotan

Member
With the irrelevance of Xbox as a console these days (only 16% of gamers surveyed in the UK intend to buy xbox), I can't see this service doing more then 25M subs at it's peak. Eventually the price will be raised too which won't help.

Back in the 360 days MS surely had 25M+ gold subs and they were paying just for online? That sub service would have been way more profitable then this will ever be.

Every black Friday and holiday sales I buy 10-15 games for about $100. They keep me going for the year until the next holiday and the added bonus of actually owning these games properly. I'll never sub to ps now as long as I can buy the games I want for cheap.
 

VN1X

Banned
Has Yong Yea or whatever the fuck his name finally evolved the past the point of reading reddit posts infront of a camera?

EDIT: lol dem typos
 
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Kagey K

Banned
I feel PS now hasn’t really gone into full swing yet. They done a bad job with Gakai and not having there old PS1/PS2 titles on the service Right away. Like the whole PSP/PS3 and Vita library could be transferred to PS now...

Service wise, apart from not having 1st party games on launch and PS3 games for download.. I think they do a decent job, not the same amount of 3rd party games as Gamepass though.
So they are the same..., except when they aren’t, and then we make excuses for them while getting mad at Gamepass.

It’s so convoluted how you hate it, but praise Now at the same time.
 

DavidGzz

Member

Xbox Game Pass: 12 Month Membership= $119


Xbox Game Pass Ultimate: 3 Month Membership= $44.99

Xbox Game Pass Ultimate: 12 Month Membership = $ 179.99



PlayStation Now: 12 Month Subscription=$ 59.99


The Value Of Xbox Game Pass Keeps Getting More Insane ?????


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GPU includes the same value PS+(Games with Gold) does plus Game Pass. For the price of 3 games you get all of the games in Xbox's showcase plus countless indies and big 3rd party games. If Sony's full showcase came with PSNow you'd be just as as excited as we are about GPU.


I feel PS now hasn’t really gone into full swing yet. They done a bad job with Gakai and not having there old PS1/PS2 titles on the service Right away. Like the whole PSP/PS3 and Vita library could be transferred to PS now...

Service wise, apart from not having 1st party games on launch and PS3 games for download.. I think they do a decent job, not the same amount of 3rd party games as Gamepass though.

My hope is that Sony doubles down on it similar to MS. I'd have two subs and would be in gaming nirvana. They don't see the need at the moment, but maybe later...
 

Goalus

Member
Once again, you are confusing "Big expensive company" with "it is run by smart people". And we have certainly seen plenty of horribly bad decisions made by these highly paid ceos, who then just walk off with a golden parachute while the lowly employee suffers. If you want to use MS's money as a shield for arguing how they can do no wrong, then I guess it makes sense why you play on Xbox.
So essentially you're saying that you are smarter than Satya Nadella. That is both arrogant and exceedingly ridiculous, so I guess it makes sense that you play on Playstation.
 

Goalus

Member
honestly starting to wonder if Gamepass is being shilled. the endless threads about the exact same subject is incredible. either that or a lot of insecurity
honestly starting to wonder if Playstation exclusives are being shilled. the endless threads about the exact same subject is incredible. either that or a lot of insecurity
 

Kokoloko85

Member
So they are the same..., except when they aren’t, and then we make excuses for them while getting mad at Gamepass.

It’s so convoluted how you hate it, but praise Now at the same time.

Im not praising PS Now lol. Where did I praise it?
I said they do a decent job and gamepass does a better job? There both secondary services To me.

Theres a difference saying PS now is decent.....and not deepthroating a service and saying Gamepass isnt the FUTUTRE and absolute crap nonsense like:
MS doesn't care about console sales because GAMEpass is amazing and its all MS cares about..
 

DavidGzz

Member
With the irrelevance of Xbox as a console these days (only 16% of gamers surveyed in the UK intend to buy xbox), I can't see this service doing more then 25M subs at it's peak. Eventually the price will be raised too which won't help.

Back in the 360 days MS surely had 25M+ gold subs and they were paying just for online? That sub service would have been way more profitable then this will ever be.

Every black Friday and holiday sales I buy 10-15 games for about $100. They keep me going for the year until the next holiday and the added bonus of actually owning these games properly. I'll never sub to ps now as long as I can buy the games I want for cheap.

I don't think a little over double what they have now is going to be Game Pass' peak. It only took 3 years with, compared to what is coming, a lackluster amount of exclusives. And going by your last paragraph, you're as casual as it gets so I can see why it wouldn't be much of a value for you. I don't know a single person that only spends $100 on games a year. Not sure how to get 15 games for $100 without a humble bundle deal lol
 

Kokoloko85

Member
They already are #1. The upcoming battle is ecosystem vs. ecosystem, not hardware unit sales vs. hardware unit sales. MS are heading into next-gen with a headstart. I hope that Sony doesn't notice. Sony fans certainly don't, as this forum proves.

Its posts like this that shows how delusional some fans are....
I mean selling half of the competition, being taken over by Nintendo in half the time. And MS isnt making much money off gamepass And still thinking your number 1 lol.

Its not ecosystem vs ecosystem.
Who moved the goal posts lol? Its still about consoles, and games sold.
MS is already the richest if thats whats important to you
 

silent head

Member
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GPU includes the same value PS+(Games with Gold) does plus Game Pass. For the price of 3 games you get all of the games in Xbox's showcase plus countless indies and big 3rd party games. If Sony's full showcase came with PSNow you'd be just as as excited as we are about GPU.




My hope is that Sony doubles down on it similar to MS. I'd have two subs and would be in gaming nirvana. They don't see the need at the moment, but maybe later...

Does PS Now support multiplayer for both PS4 and PC?
Yes, games in the PlayStation Now library support multiplayer, just like the retail versions of the game. Multiplayer invites can also be sent and received, just like normal.


In addition, you can enjoy PS4 and PS3 multiplayer games online through PS Now without a PlayStation Plus subscription. PS Plus is required for online multiplayer access for PS4 and PS3 games outside of the PS Now service.


For the price of 3 games you get all of the games in Xbox's showcase plus countless indies and big 3rd party games. ?

Confirmed upcoming Xbox Game Pass games due 2020:


  • Tell Me Why - Chapter 1 (August 21st, 2020)
  • Tell Me Why - Chapter 2 (September 3rd, 2020)
  • Tell Me Why - Chapter 3 (September 10th, 2020)
  • Destiny 2 expansions Forsaken, Shadowkeep (September 2020)
  • Destiny 2 expansion Beyond Light (November 10th, 2020)
  • Halo Infinite (late 2020)
  • Tetris Effect: Connected (Xbox One, Xbox Series X and PC, coming 2020)
  • The Medium (PC and Xbox Series X, release 2020)
  • Call of the Sea (2020)


Psychonauts 2 / STALKER 2 2021
Forza Motorsport/ Warhammer 40,000: Darktide / Everwild /Hellblade 2 2021/2022
Avowed / Fable / State of Decay 3 2022/2023
 

Goalus

Member
Its posts like this that shows how delusional some fans are....
I mean selling half of the competition, being taken over by Nintendo in half the time. And MS isnt making much money off gamepass And still thinking your number 1 lol.

Its not ecosystem vs ecosystem.
Who moved the goal posts lol? Its still about consoles, and games sold.
MS is already the richest if thats whats important to you
I honestly can't tell if this is sarcasm or meant to be taken seriously.
 

Kokoloko85

Member
I honestly can't tell if this is sarcasm or meant to be taken seriously.

Your the one that said xbox is number 1.
I couldnt tell if that was sarcasm or not.
For A company that hasnt sold the most consoles and games and gamepass doesnt make them much money, I don’t know how they are number 1 lol
 

Wizz-Art

Member
I'm smart, I subscribe to Game Pass Ultimate and enjoy a lot of games for less then 15 bucks a month. This gives me acces to the games on Xbox, on PC and via XCloud. To me this is a no brainer!
 

DavidGzz

Member
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Does PS Now support multiplayer for both PS4 and PC?
Yes, games in the PlayStation Now library support multiplayer, just like the retail versions of the game. Multiplayer invites can also be sent and received, just like normal.


In addition, you can enjoy PS4 and PS3 multiplayer games online through PS Now without a PlayStation Plus subscription. PS Plus is required for online multiplayer access for PS4 and PS3 games outside of the PS Now service.


For the price of 3 games you get all of the games in Xbox's showcase plus countless indies and big 3rd party games. ?

Confirmed upcoming Xbox Game Pass games due 2020:


  • Tell Me Why - Chapter 1 (August 21st, 2020)
  • Tell Me Why - Chapter 2 (September 3rd, 2020)
  • Tell Me Why - Chapter 3 (September 10th, 2020)
  • Destiny 2 expansions Forsaken, Shadowkeep (September 2020)
  • Destiny 2 expansion Beyond Light (November 10th, 2020)
  • Halo Infinite (late 2020)
  • Tetris Effect: Connected (Xbox One, Xbox Series X and PC, coming 2020)
  • The Medium (PC and Xbox Series X, release 2020)
  • Call of the Sea (2020)


Psychonauts 2 / STALKER 2 2021
Forza Motorsport/ Warhammer 40,000: Darktide / Everwild /Hellblade 2 2021/2022
Avowed / Fable / State of Decay 3 2022/2023

Thanks for the post. It looks like PSNow is better than I thought. Nice. Also, I forgot to take into account release dates since I am paid up until 2023.
 

hemo memo

Gold Member
Fun Fact you don't even need a Series X or Series S or PC you can used XCloud to play the games on Gamepass with your phone or even Smart TV the value for the casual gamer is out of this world.

And that’s why their message was Gamepass Gamepass Gamepass. Xbox changing the business model to a primarily subscription service. Yet we still see XSX vs PS5 who will sell the most consoles war posts. I don’t know if people here do it intentionally or stupidly anymore.
 
What’s even funnier than that is people who believe MS has a clue what it’s doing in any of its divisions. Propping up the win32/UWP fiasco as evidence of anything other than chaos is not good.
Apparently you didn't see their financial report. Or you are just trolling pretending a billion-dollar company that makes billions a year has no idea what they're doing. Troll post won't be tolerated.
 

Kokoloko85

Member
Apparently you didn't see their financial report. Or you are just trolling pretending a billion-dollar company that makes billions a year has no idea what they're doing. Troll post won't be tolerated.

What is there plan? Its been kind of confusing.

Can you stop foaming at the mouth because you don't like Xbox, thanks.

As original as a gamepass thread...
 

Nikana

Go Go Neo Rangers!
Said it before, say it again... GamePass is a great deal if you’re already an Xbox or PC gamer. But I don’t see how it gets fresh people to buy into the ecosystem, given how expensive a PC or Xbox is to buy. And if your marketing strategy is only to retain existing customers, you will be in trouble quickly. Services don’t sell consoles, games do.
Xcloud.
 
Said it before, say it again... GamePass is a great deal if you’re already an Xbox or PC gamer. But I don’t see how it gets fresh people to buy into the ecosystem, given how expensive a PC or Xbox is to buy. And if your marketing strategy is only to retain existing customers, you will be in trouble quickly. Services don’t sell consoles, games do.
The service they provide are the games inside of game pass. Plus you have xcloud. So Selling consoles are a thing of the past.
 

Tiamat2san

Member
Yep it’s insane.
This generation I’ll go series X for the living room (oled 65) and series S for the bedroom (1080p 47’’) to play coop online.
It’s better than buying two games each time we want to play coop.
We don’t play on PC with my wife.

My son will play on PC with the future monster he will buy in December (RTX 3070 or 3080 depending on the price and value of each) on a 1440p/144hz monitor.
As he is doing now.

Regardless on what you want to play games, the value of gamepass is great.

And if you think of family with modest budget, the combo series S/gamepass will be great and more justifiable.

I buy usually 30/40 games a year.
With this I save money.
Just need to buy the biggest multiplateform games on series X and exclusives on PS5.
 

Virex

Banned
As with most things, it’s all my fault.

Shut the fuck up MiyazakiHatesKojima MiyazakiHatesKojima
 

Flintty

Member
honestly starting to wonder if Gamepass is being shilled. the endless threads about the exact same subject is incredible. either that or a lot of insecurity

it would be like 5 threads a week made by nintendo or sony fans about how many highly rated exclusives they have.

and it's funny to see how many people MS have successfully convinced that console sales aren't important.

Value is subjective, but if you do find Gamepass to be excellent value, as many people do, it doesn’t make you a shill. Picking up on positive threads about Xbox and calling them shilling, all the while PS fans are shitting up everything they can about Xbox on Gaf, is being rather ignorant of what’s going on around you.
 
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