sircaw
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He says in the video, he got to go hands on with the ps5 this week when talking to Eric Lempal the head of marketing, if you watch the video at around 8.30 you can see it for yourself.
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He says in the video, he got to go hands on with the ps5 this week when talking to Eric Lempal the head of marketing, if you watch the video at around 8.30 you can see it for yourself.
J_Gamer.exe
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Without watching again i remember his also saying it got quickly taken away from him I presumed implying that acces to the demo was removed.... I didn't really think how at the time....
sircaw
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pasterpl
Member
marketing deal just make sense, also 250M just confirm ties between Sony and epic. Your statement “ps5 is better” is just funn, not worth further comment.
btw. Quick question, are you a game developer? Do you have hands on experience with xbsex and ps5 dev kits? I have asked o’dium same questions yesterday. Got me wondering, as you are very vocal in multiple threads.
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J_Gamer.exe
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In short, I wasn’t clear enough or was confusing in my original statements and changed them when it was mentioned, yes. PRT is a hardware based version equivalent to SF that was working on PS4, however future iterations on par with SFS have not been confirmed to have dedicated hardware to support them *yet*. Hence why I asked for clarification.
As for RDNA, I just quoting what the guy who worked on it said to me.
He says he can't disclose anything not already out there yet we had it confirmed by many sources including Lisa su that it was great to see RDNA2 in action.
Yes this guy says its a hybrid....
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
He says he can't disclose anything not already out there yet we had it confirmed by many sources including Lisa su that it was great to see RDNA2 in action.
Yes this guy says its a hybrid....
I can only guess it may be because it’s not full rdna 2 but does share some of its features and as such is classed as it by AMD? Who knows at this point. It wouldn’t be the first time something like this has happened, and both Sony/AMD would likely look a bit behind if they came out and said it was lower than 2.
But who knows.
This is exactly why these discussions happen. Sony are a little strange with being upfront and sharing concrete details that are transparent, they are open to interpretation, even stuff like this.
B_Boss
Member
He says he can't disclose anything not already out there yet we had it confirmed by many sources including Lisa su that it was great to see RDNA2 in action.
Yes this guy says its a hybrid....
Exactly the tweet from Su I was thinking of
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SleepDoctor
Banned
So you mean to tell me its between rdna 1 and rdna 2? So no rdna 3 or zen 3? Thats fud
/s
J_Gamer.exe
Member
They snatched the controller of him.
but the fact it got taken away made me wonder now maybe it was somehow withdrawn digitally or idk. To think of a bouncer next to him saying times up Mr Keighley.... hmmm...
sircaw
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I don't know, maybe there were other people that were itching to have a go. Top brass executives etc. It could be 100 reasons. Maybe they wanted to show him other stuff besides the demo. could be many reasons.
J_Gamer.exe
Member
If this were to be true the very fact your arguing that a GPU can't have features from RDNA 3 or that become part of a future pipeline despite the arguement being that the GPU in this scenario is a hybrid taking features from future pipelines is a little daft.
Would love to see what red gaming tech thought as he heard from sources look to what Sony did in the past. Presumably he saw RDNA2 and thought well it must therefore be using features from RDNA3.
I can't imagine the uproar if the source meant its RDNA1 but with much of RDNA 2 features....
But that seems unlikely as we have had much confirmation of RDNA 2 and the clock speeds etc are too high for RDNA1.
Oh well another day another wild goosechase....
DrDamn
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That's not a tweet he made, have you just shared a personal DM he sent you? That would be a pretty shitty thing to do to win points in an internet discussion. Especially as it seems to contradict other information from AMD and Sony. He could get in a lot of trouble.
geordiemp
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In short, I wasn’t clear enough or was confusing in my original statements and changed them when it was mentioned, yes. PRT is a hardware based version equivalent to SF that was working on PS4, however future iterations on par with SFS have not been confirmed to have dedicated hardware to support them *yet*. Hence why I asked for clarification.
As for RDNA, I just quoting what the guy who worked on it said to me.
Link to that tweet abut RDNA1 ? Sources ?
That info does not exist on twitter, he said he could not talk about Ps5 and what he said was
Are you editing tweets to suggest a ps5 engineer has broken NDA ? Really ?
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Neo Blaster
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Except that they have shown, or have you already forgotten R&C fast transitions? That's a lot of detail, far more than Astrobot, loading in just 2 seconds. What we saw yesterday most probably wasn't a loading screen.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
He shared it as common knowledge, as that’s what it is to anybody that has a brain cell. It’s not for internet points, what the hell? Why does everything have to be a battle to you guys? Like it’s some game?
But I’ll remove it, just in case. Last thing I want is for anybody to get in trouble.
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Bonsaibäumchen
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That seems to be a private message on twitter between both of them. I wouldn't pay to much attention to it though.
1st off Lisa Su called Ps5 RDNA 2.
2nd we don't know if he would say the same stuff about xsx
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SleepDoctor
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You can't win here dude. If you posted a dm that said "ps5 is rdna 3" you'd be praised tho and
geordiemp
wouldn't insult you anymore.
FranXico
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That's not a tweet - it's a direct message.
Neo Blaster
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Ah, Neo GAF, where everyday is Groundhog Day.
FranXico
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Care to explain how is it "common knowledge" to anyone "with a brain cell"?
longdi
Banned
Wow is this something new?
I always thought ps5 was full rdna2? I guess some of the leaks have truths behind them. Does this make ps5 TF inferior?
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Deleted member 775630
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What's the difference? Why would he lie?
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Certainly, then I’ll leave you guys to it, because no chance I’ll get any footing here.
If you look at the confirmed supported feature sets, coupled with the confirmed missing feature sets, look at what they have skirted around, then look at what’s been said in interviews, even the road to ps5, you come to a couple of conclusions:
Either the systems using RDNA 1 but using magic to fill in the gaps so it can do things it shouldn’t be able to do....
...or it’s using RDNA 1 with several custom additions taken from the RDNA 2 feature set (but not full RDNA 2) to make it a custom built system.
It’s quite clearly not a full traditional RDNA 2 system in the complete sense such as
XSX, and I realise me just saying that will piss people here off but whatever, that’s fine. It is what it is. XSX has full RDNA 2 and then custom additions on top. PS5 uses RDNA 1 then bolts on a shit load of RDNA 2 features (Not all) plus custom ones for their own hybrid. It doesn’t mean it’s shit, poor, inadequate... just that it’s custom, like every other playstation ever made before it.
This has been known for ages, I even reported on this back in the pigeon days, as that what was passed to me then too. I’m not the only person that knows this, it’s common knowledge. Sonys principle graphics engineer is obviously far more knowledgable than I am on the subject and wouldn’t just blurt this out for no reason, breaking NDAs and dropping himself and his company in the shit, if it wasn’t common knowledge.
I posted the dm here, and to be perfectly honest even though I’m confident nothing was leaked, broken or what have you, I removed it. I agree, it’s in poor taste to post regardless on a public forum, and I don’t want to be seen as that sort of person truthfully.
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longdi
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Ps5 being Navi based, means it loses the perf/watt efficiency of rdna2! Makes you wonder how they are getting 2.23ghz off it....
Also the RT hardware embedded in the ROPs, could that be the customisation? Early github leak showed Ps5 lacked RT. Sony last minute asked AMD to tagged that?
Also the RT hardware embedded in the ROPs, could that be the customisation? Early github leak showed Ps5 lacked RT. Sony last minute asked AMD to tagged that?
... RDNA 2 is navi. XSX is navi based. Going by this logic xsx isnt RDNA 2. Jesus christ.
Care to share the confirmed missing feature sets?
longdi
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But the question posted was ps5 rdna2?
J_Gamer.exe
Member
Just to add, let's for minute imagine this is true.
An RDNA 2 system is only playing all announced games excactly the same as the PS5 apparent hybrid RDNA 1-2 system.
Given they are so close in real world scenarios and devs tell us they are differences seem unlikely...
This just doesn't add up...
It's likely as said a custom GPU RDNA2 based but not standard, features discarded or chosen frow whatever they wanted.
Anyway I thought Sony were going to turn heads away from Microsoft event with good info not have someone online say its a hybrid thinking that was info already known....
People returning to this thread after a day off...
An RDNA 2 system is only playing all announced games excactly the same as the PS5 apparent hybrid RDNA 1-2 system.
Given they are so close in real world scenarios and devs tell us they are differences seem unlikely...
This just doesn't add up...
It's likely as said a custom GPU RDNA2 based but not standard, features discarded or chosen frow whatever they wanted.
Anyway I thought Sony were going to turn heads away from Microsoft event with good info not have someone online say its a hybrid thinking that was info already known....
People returning to this thread after a day off...
J_Gamer.exe
Member
It wouldn't be clocking so high if it was just RDNA1....
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Why? So I can spend the next hour collecting websites, interviews, samples, confirmations and denials, and produce a list of proof for people to read, only for people with an agenda to totally dismiss it all, insult me again, and the make their own conclusion?
I think I’m just going to leave it here if it’s all the same. I wrote a piece to help people understand and it went down really well for gamers from all sides. I’m not really fussed about a small vocal minority who refuse to see things in front of them.
The system is whatever you believe it is. Leave it there for yourself.
Why do you think they call it custom RDNA 2 in the road to PS5. Both Sony and Microsoft will drop features in RDNA2 because they do NOT need them so they arent in that sense full RDNA 2. Hence why they call them custom RDNA 2 as they remove the not needed features and add customizations of there own. It's really not that hard to understand.
He says NAVI based because that's what it is NAVI based.
Some of yall are desperate to find something in nothing.
Knitted Knight
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Transcript of the interview: Transcript
He said both of those things which makes me think he was playing with a PS5 first hand and saw the console. But it could be a dev kit too. 50/50.
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SleepDoctor
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Nobody has mentioned Xbox tho. The one in question was the Ps5.
"But but but if Sony doesn't have RDNA2 then ms doesn't either" lol
J_Gamer.exe
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The DM he posted I replied to so is still in my reply if you want to see it further up... edit scrap that its in your own... doh...
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I know that, I said the above because that's the weird ass logic some of yall use to say "but but but PS5 isnt RDNA2" see how fucking stupid it sounds. It's just as stupid as saying oh XSX could of taking the CU counts of RDNA2 for its GPU but didnt have the perf/watt gains that RDNA 2 brings.
SleepDoctor
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Are you in the industry? Do you have either dev kit? If you don't, you really cant do much but speculate.
Going after the messenger is a shitty thing to do. He's posting whats been told to him. So technically its not even a claim he's just making out of nowhere.
People here are so fuckin childish when the rumors/news or whatever doesn't fit their narrative, that i wonder how some of these guys continue to contribute what they do here.
Handy Fake
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DrDamn
Member
He shared it with you on a DM under the knowledge that you are a developer, so would probably know this already.
Without context and knowledge of what this involves you know exactly what fanboys will do with this information. It could simply be some RDNA1 features are retained for PS4 b/c reasons, it could be more. But you know what some will assume.
My core point was not the content of the message but the basic internet etiquette. You don't share a private message without consent or for very good reason. Thank you for removing it.
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xHunter
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Like people did with the crytek guy?
SleepDoctor
Banned
Attack? Lol. Calling someone out who only insults people when they don't agree with him is attacking them?
Im surprised he hasn't been banned yet for joking about this guy's wife, his health, his profession.
Trying to defend
geordiemp
ain't a good look bud. Or maybe you conveniently miss all his insults.
K.N.W.
Member
I'm seeing a pattern in O'dium and his friend: Odium is the latin word for "hate" (in ******* it's ****) , meanwhile his (missing nationality) friend ******* ******** is "@##***&" on twitter, "## ****" means "the evilness" in (missing language). Something is adding up really badly here
EDIT: edited for privacy.
EDIT: edited for privacy.
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SleepDoctor
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Almost like the crytek guy. Difference is he's not on the forum and he did an interview off of hearsay to top it off, which was later pulled.
Regardless I don't agree with the witch hunts.
xHunter
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His interview being pulled is more proof that what he said was not "hearsay" and the he probably couldnt talk about it due to NDAs. He literally works as rendering engineer at crytek. He or his colleagues most likely have access to both dev kits
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icerock
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Already up and running like clock-work.
Microsoft Xbox Series X will offer better effective I/O throughput than Sony PS5
https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-xbox-series-x-i-o-throughput-ps5/
I give it a day before we're back to PS5 is just RDNA 1 with some 'bolt-on' RDNA2 features. Articles will follow in due-course.
Microsoft Xbox Series X will offer better effective I/O throughput than Sony PS5
https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-xbox-series-x-i-o-throughput-ps5/
I give it a day before we're back to PS5 is just RDNA 1 with some 'bolt-on' RDNA2 features. Articles will follow in due-course.
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T-Cake
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I love all these discussions about next-gen but even for me who lives and breathes gaming, it's starting to get a bit exasperating. I just wish the consoles were here and DF can do their analyses and, on a game-by-game basis, we can see which platform performs best and therefore put an end to all this shenanigans.
Fatal Enigma
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you are way overthinking this LMAO. trying to create some weird conspiracy is not it chiefI'm seeing a pattern in O'dium and his friend: Odium is the latin word for "hate" (in italian it's Odio) , meanwhile his Italian friend Rosario Leonardi is "@ilMal3" on twitter, "Il male" means "the evilness " in Italian. Something is adding up really badly here
SleepDoctor
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He had said himself it was based off what he heard cuz he didn't have access to devkits. Regardless, no need to go back to topic that was beat to death months ago.
Questioning info is fine. Attacking people for sharing info you're not happy with, isnt.
FranXico
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I give it a few of hours before wfcctech posts their "scoop", followed by a Leadbetter video on the matter the next day.
"As we predicted, the PS5 is just RDNA1 with a few select RDNA2 features". When that is not even what the engineer said in the disclosed private message.
K.N.W.
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SleepDoctor
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Its called marketing. Just like we heard gpu and cpu doesn't matter anymore, the ssd is the only thing that does.
At the end of the day, most of the people here aren't developing games on either console. So the only thing that matters is the games.
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