DaGwaphics
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Agreed, they said right in the presentation that the CPU and GPU peak clocks require pulling power from the adjacent processor. GPU @ 2.23 = CPU at lower than peak clock and vice versa.
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Agreed, they said right in the presentation that the CPU and GPU peak clocks require pulling power from the adjacent processor. GPU @ 2.23 = CPU at lower than peak clock and vice versa.
zeroeffect
Member
Well, don't know what to think about PS5. What a bummer. Shitty week all around from a political standpoint, virus, and now PS5. I don't know what to make of this new console but Sony did an absolutely awful job at explaining the advantages it has over Xbox. On the surface to someone like me who's going to inevitable compare specs...Xbox is much more powerful from a raw power standpoint. Should've did a better job at dispelling these comparisons and also a bad marketing attempt at revealing side-by-side specs that the normal person will look at and obviously see Microsoft at an advantage.
Got to market to ignorant too you know. Disappointing but I can't say I'm too surprised. I had a feeling Sony would skimp corners. All consoles have to for costs. Microsoft had to skimp corners too and have their own questions but their console is looking way more attractive right now. I really don't want or intend to buy both.
Got to market to ignorant too you know. Disappointing but I can't say I'm too surprised. I had a feeling Sony would skimp corners. All consoles have to for costs. Microsoft had to skimp corners too and have their own questions but their console is looking way more attractive right now. I really don't want or intend to buy both.
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Lunatic_Gamer
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Updated XSX page. Microsoft is really going for the throat.
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MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
The PlayStation 5 is a resounding success and I'm very proud to be a part of the team.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Yeah its almost like that was aimed more for people attending GDC or something.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
xCloud server blade. 
-"When you make a game for Series X, you make the game for xCloud."
-"All about eliminating friction."
-"How do make a game that acts real?" ~Powerful CPU changes the game.
-"Streaming aware" means that, perhaps, if you designed the game for big screen on console, when the user is on phone the UI will resize for visibility. Also, optimize and customize tuning for input latency on console vs phone.
-"When you make a game for Series X, you make the game for xCloud."
-"All about eliminating friction."
-"How do make a game that acts real?" ~Powerful CPU changes the game.
-"Streaming aware" means that, perhaps, if you designed the game for big screen on console, when the user is on phone the UI will resize for visibility. Also, optimize and customize tuning for input latency on console vs phone.
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Sinthor
Gold Member
Yes, he did say something about attaching an additional drive via an 'internal bay." Sounds like it has a dedicated expansion bay?
Deeper Underground
Member
Are you an actual team member? Can you go a little more into the SSD speeds? It seems like a lot of people are being fanboys and not understanding how significant that kind of speed is.
xool
Member
I'm guessing that 825MB SSD is the available space after the fragmentation structures have taken up their space, just like on every SSD ever .. but why not just say 1TB like a normal person - everone gets it ?? (SSD chips come in 2**n sizes after all - they can't actually buy a 825MB chipset..)
btw Cerny said SSD 35+ times in that talk.
btw Cerny said SSD 35+ times in that talk.
onesvenus
Member
This is something I don't understand. If it was indeed for people at GDC did they really need to explain how data redundancy works? And how most data in RAM was not used on every frame? Or what's 3d audio? I'd expect people attending GDC to know those things. It made no sense
Handy Fake
Member
Cerny's a tech head.
MS have had a proper PR reveal.
kyliethicc
Member
Yeah I guess you’re right. I got confused. Thanks.
SMT is either off or on, one core is reserved for the OS regardless.
This is what I was reading. https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-inside-xbox-series-x-full-specs
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I admit it was a terrible "reveal" and Sony should have just done a State of Play giving the gamers the info they wanted.
Spreewaldgurke
Member
Even in sound the XSX beats PS5.
My god this console war will be way more interesting. Good for us gamers. I think this time I get 2 consoles again. Happened last time with first Xbox and PS
My god this console war will be way more interesting. Good for us gamers. I think this time I get 2 consoles again. Happened last time with first Xbox and PS
pasterpl
Member
it is not like ms showed us enhanced gears5 or ray tracing demo, or loading time comparisons with bc compatibility
SonGoku
Member
CrustyBritches
were gonzolo and flute rumors connected to ps5?
BGs
Industry Professional
Due to various problems I have not been able to see the video until now. I just saw it and ... They haven't revealed anything else? Really?
I have not read any comments yet and I may be mistaken, I have started to write (later or tomorrow with more time I will look at all the messages I can). Now I just want to express my outrage.
On the one hand, personally I think that, seeing how the video has been, I am sure that many users on the planet do not know what they have seen. And that is Sony's mistake. And that frustrates me.
In my opinion Sony is not presenting PS5 properly. They have in their hands a totally balanced system, without bottlenecks, efficient and very fast. They are "selling" very well the console to developers (but now, this is totally unnecessary). But they are selling it very badly to users, in my opinion.
I can understand that they want to take advantage of the GDC presentation but, with all that is happening, I think it would have been more appropriate to complete the presentation with more relevant information for the user.
Honestly, I understand that the traditional user may feel disappointed with what happened today, even I expected more content.
As for the power, I was clear, but I was expecting a clearer and more extensive explanation (with comparisons) about the true performance of the entire system, which is what ultimately matters and what this console especially stands out for.
Furthermore, it is clearly a fairly short and somewhat "incomplete" presentation, even for developers. What I don't understand is why?
But hey, Sony is Sony, it is their product, and they will know what they are doing and why. Tomorrow, cold, I will analyze it better. At the moment he seems to be playing an absurd game.
Well, don't despair much and good night.
I have not read any comments yet and I may be mistaken, I have started to write (later or tomorrow with more time I will look at all the messages I can). Now I just want to express my outrage.
On the one hand, personally I think that, seeing how the video has been, I am sure that many users on the planet do not know what they have seen. And that is Sony's mistake. And that frustrates me.
In my opinion Sony is not presenting PS5 properly. They have in their hands a totally balanced system, without bottlenecks, efficient and very fast. They are "selling" very well the console to developers (but now, this is totally unnecessary). But they are selling it very badly to users, in my opinion.
I can understand that they want to take advantage of the GDC presentation but, with all that is happening, I think it would have been more appropriate to complete the presentation with more relevant information for the user.
Honestly, I understand that the traditional user may feel disappointed with what happened today, even I expected more content.
As for the power, I was clear, but I was expecting a clearer and more extensive explanation (with comparisons) about the true performance of the entire system, which is what ultimately matters and what this console especially stands out for.
Furthermore, it is clearly a fairly short and somewhat "incomplete" presentation, even for developers. What I don't understand is why?
But hey, Sony is Sony, it is their product, and they will know what they are doing and why. Tomorrow, cold, I will analyze it better. At the moment he seems to be playing an absurd game.
Well, don't despair much and good night.
And just another reminder that not every dev has insight about what's actually inside the devkits. I doubt there are many besides engineers who actually know what's inside. If it was as easy as to just ask your dev friend, the Next gen info would leak instantly with great accuracy. Didn't happen before current gen and neither did this time.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
With regards to memory, as I still haven’t caught up yet.
Was that 16gb total? 16gb+X for os? 16gb and then a little of that reserves for os? And Is the full 16gb own set speed?
Cheers ears.
Was that 16gb total? 16gb+X for os? 16gb and then a little of that reserves for os? And Is the full 16gb own set speed?
Cheers ears.
kyliethicc
Member
What Sony did today would be like a restaurant taking reservations, sitting people down, and then telling for an hour how delicious the food is. Then closing the restaurant down and saying “get the fuck out, you’ll get to taste in a few months!”
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Mr Moose
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The only place (unless you count Canada) that celebrates thanksgiving and they don't have it on the US site? Weird lol
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I thought that Klee guy was a big time insider who used to work at Gamefan and had tons of industry contacts? lol
LordOfChaos
Member
If it was 100 dollars cheaper and had 100% PS4 BC, I would not care about this power differential, with the SSD and other interesting extras
But their BC story was more patchy than that and relies on manual intervention to add titles, where the SX runs everything as well as upgrades some.
I'll say I'm just whelmed, it's still all about the games but Microsoft has been executing like crazy.
OsirisBlack
, not piling on, I've been at work all day, but after today's reveal are you still saying the PS5 is faster according to most devs? Could you shed light on why, or has today reversed course?
K.N.W.
Member
Anyway, the more I cool down from the "#Not12TFsGpuFiasco", the more I realize those optimizations in various parts of the system may work out well in the end. The conference felt like a MR X Media article, except those optimizations are real. I hope Developers have fun with this "Self-Optimizing" machine. They way they tackled bottlenecks is really "Next Gen" stuff.
But... That GPU... It really hurts... Behind
But... That GPU... It really hurts... Behind
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
It was kinda evident to me..
What Klee and many insiders said was relative to earlier dev kits.. MS didn't have 12TF dev kits..
It's not surprising most of them shut up shortly after the 12TF announcement.
zeroeffect
Member
Shouldn't be public then. They're basically switching places with Microsoft right now from X1. Remember when people just rode that negative PR into Microsoft? Well, it's happening right now for Sony. Whether it's ignorant or not if they were smart they'd dispel concerns by showing the benefits. They need to do it soon and not let the negative marketing catch up.
Microsoft has handled their end well so far. Sony...not so much. I'm not a developer so I don't understand some things. All I can do is look at raw power and right now Xbox looks like a high end device and Sony more middle tier. I'm sure there's much more to it especially with a better SSD but they need to show these benefits and explain why it's an advantage to the average consumer. How's that going to impact game development over Microsoft's machine? Is first-party the only place we'll see that big benefit? BC is a little confusing?
Right now I'm thinking about not even buying a PS5 or Xbox. I might hold off thinking they're going to release a Pro after seeing this. It would probably be a bad move but they kinda brought this on themselves with the mid gen refreshes. Also, the insiders in here have proven to know absolutely shit so I'm not trusting anyone in this thread or beyond. If I bought a PS5 a and shortly past that they release another more powerful one I'd be pissed.
Hoping Sony drops all their exclusives on PC so it makes my decision easier to just go to PC.
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Mod of War
please ban
OsirisBlack
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Gavin Stevens
They were obviously told or paid to troll with PS5 specs. They don't even try to explain why they were so off.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I am about to go for a run so if I "vanish" for awhile its not that I am hiding.
Side note towards
Mod of War
one thing people really basjed Tommy over his leaked DS5 photos was using a VAIO as a backdrop.
Did everyone see what Cerny was using today?
Not saying anything just amused me
Side note towards
Mod of War
one thing people really basjed Tommy over his leaked DS5 photos was using a VAIO as a backdrop.Did everyone see what Cerny was using today?
Not saying anything just amused me
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
I'd say yes. Sony had Gonzolo, Flute, Oberon, Tempest, and Prospero. All Shakespearean. We don't the minutia yet, but it's almost all certainly connected. DF said their sources made them "99% certain Gonzalo was the silicon going into the PS5."
onesvenus
Member
So even after both consoles have been presented you still think PS5 is more powerful than XSX? Can you explain how that can be possible? From the GPu, to the CPU, memory bandwith, etc. All specs except SSD are better in XSX and we still have to see how if the SSD tech does make some kind of difference.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
They were obviously told or paid to troll with PS5 specs. They don't even try to explain why they were so off.
Could you forward me the cheque? I’ll store it next to my tin foil hat.
Zero707
If I carry on trolling, report me.
nah they want the console quite
Stuart360
Member
The funny thing is OsirisBlack pretty much admitted he was bullshitting, right before the PS5 event started.
They were obviously told or paid to troll with PS5 specs. They don't even try to explain why they were so off.
joe_zazen
Member
the ducks are lining up for an upset.
Sony has not invested enough in PlayStation. It looks like they are running everything on a shoestring and only investing the bare minimum. I am sure Cerney had to work within severe BOM constraints, hence the half sized apu. What was it? 237mm^2 vs 400?
At least Sony has only killed one studio this year, although that studio death may have signalled psvr’s demise.
Deeper Underground
Member
He never said he was an insider. He is a former journalist who did have contacts. The funny thing about this is that the systems are going about this so differently, fanboys are already up in arms trying to declare a winner, when we have no clue what both systems will do in real world performance. It’s Speed vs. Power and it’s the reason why so many insiders were saying both systems are close because they are. The jackass fanboys see 12.1 vs 10.3 and somehow the XSX is the greatest console of all time.
Faithless83
Banned
I'm still baffled. How did this happened? Why do such reveal?
I did understand where Mark came from, but to the average joe this was nothing more than a boring lecture.
I thought that MS could have done it better, but geez Sony.
And I'm not even talking about the specs. Where is the "exclusive feature"? Is it the audio?
Are they that tone deaf, or are they gonna pull a Square Enix FF7 Remaster now and a Remake later?
How every insider was saying "close" and then this?
I did understand where Mark came from, but to the average joe this was nothing more than a boring lecture.
I thought that MS could have done it better, but geez Sony.
And I'm not even talking about the specs. Where is the "exclusive feature"? Is it the audio?
Are they that tone deaf, or are they gonna pull a Square Enix FF7 Remaster now and a Remake later?
How every insider was saying "close" and then this?
But the consoles don't have the same TFlops. If they had the same ratio of shaders to rops to RT units to tmus and all the other functional part I would expect your theoretical parts to have similar performance with some games preferring the wider architecture and others preferring the higher clock speed architecture depending on what bottlenecks they tend to trigger.
Zero707
If I carry on trolling, report me.
And mods let him trolling ? lol wow what a dead forum
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Stuart360
Member
I'm sure they could, if the need ever came up. But it seems to me they have tried to make a fully synced console, a powerhouse that isnt being stressed too much.
LordOfChaos
Member
OMG YOU'RE ALIVE
Was hoping you'd get to see this monster thread you made lol
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onesvenus
Member
Can you explain what went wrong with your predictions? I don't want to start a flame war, genuinely interested in how do you things changed from what you heard to what really is
Insane Metal
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Like I said.
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