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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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GymWolf

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CJY said:
CHOO CHOO! For your ticket aboard the Hype Train, Simply REACT to this comment.

Driver: Mark Cerny
Passengers: 124


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put me in boyo!
 
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LED Guy?

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My FINAL predictions for PlayStation 5!

- 12.4 TF RDNA 2 GPU.
- 8C/16T Zen 2 CPU at 3.4 GHz.
- 16 GB GDDR6 at around 560 GB/s.
- NVMe SSD at 3.5 GB/s or maybe more.

Also with the hardware decompression as well that makes even super fast, like what the XSX has.

Get ready, folks! We are in for a RIDE!! 🔥🔥

Also one last thing, are you still standing by the 12.4 TFs that you’ve mentioned? OsirisBlack OsirisBlack
 
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xool

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-Jay-Rod- said:
Sony going for MS head tomorrow and they gonna do it with numbers and PS5 secrete sauce first they gonna talk bout dualshock 5 new features second part is gonna be really technical with tech demos and last 2 new trailers never before seen.. if any of this doesn’t happen I’m requesting self ban
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It's a GDC talk - there won't be any trailers. You might as well ban yourself now. Jeez at least read the itinerary first.
 
VFXVeteran

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mitchman said:
You're confusing the IDE aka Visual Studio with the underlying compiler used. Sony is using LLVM with the clang backend and not the cl compiler included with Visual Studio. This allows them to cross compile to the PS target.
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Ok. But my point still stands, they mainly develop on the PC and then port down to PS dev kit.
 
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FERN said:
Tomorrow at 9am Pacific Time, PS5 lead system architect Mark Cerny will provide a deep dive into PS5’s system architecture, and how it will shape the future of games. Watch tomorrow at PlayStation Blog
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Yeah i know that's why i'm asking why there isn't a youtube and twitch streams. PSlog is going to go down a few times i bet.
 
Shambala

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MARTYWOLF said:
Maybe dont be a dick my post was in relation to next gen tech regardless. Sorry it wasnt sony related
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Lol bro that was a joke. I meant nothing against you 😂. But the post you quoted is how I feel about some of the posters here. Can’t stand “oh I’m neutral ass posters” when you can clearly tell they are biased.
 
WhispersintheWind

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44alltheway said:
We should have all the insiders place their final specifications before tomorrow morning, will be fun to see where everyone lands ( OsirisBlack OsirisBlack @HeisenbergFX4 WhispersintheWind WhispersintheWind @Tommy Fisher )
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I only know what I’m told by Devs. On the record no Dev has went 100% detailed with any info. I Assume to protect their Job.

What I have been told is Devs are targeting 11TF for launch titles. Whatever overhead is left over they will use in the Optimization Stage.

With that info my speculation is PS5 is 11.5-12.5TF. It also fits in the range of both console being within 10% of each other. I don’t think TFlops will make the difference this gen. I believe custom features,memory,SSD design and Games will make the difference.
 
it_wasn't_me

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Sosokrates said:
I dont think ps5 will be inferior i think it will be about 10% more powerful, but i do think the recent xsx spec deep dive definitely influenced sonys decision to release there spec deep dive tomorrow.
They probably dont want the xsx specs getting all the limelight.
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Presentation tomorrow isn't reaction because MS. Like Schreier said.
Limelight, LOL. Man, just ordinary tweet for PS5 so far and social media metrics of this are already eclipsing the entirety of Xbox Series X engagement from yesterday. Btw. Sony's GDC presentation is planned surely. But program can change. I've said in one thread :
There a possibility to change GDC presentation program. I mean, maybe PS5 reveal was scheduled for Feb., but because corona it is postponed, and later Sony decide to change GDC presentation program and to include PS5 specs in that.
Btw. MS also has scheduled presentation tomorrow few hours after Sony.
 
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Audiophile

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My crazy old speculative specs:
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THE DREAM SPECS for me..

'PS5' / 'PLAYSTATION(R)5' | Sept/Oct 2020 | 1TB | $499/€499/£429/¥49,980


AMD-SONY Custom APU SoC / TSMC 7nm Performance-Enhanced (N7P)
  • ZEN2+ | 8 Cores & 16 Threads @ 3.5GHz | 8x32KB-d & 8x64KB-i L1, 8x512KB L2, 2x8MB L3
  • NAVI/RDNA+ | 208TU / 52CU / 26WGP / 4SA / 2SE* @ 1800MHz & 12TFlops | 80 ROPS / 8 ACE | 6MB L2, 640kB L1
  • Hardware-Accelerated Ray Tracing (Texture Unit-Integrated Intersection Engines + BVH Reordering & Denoise ASIC)
  • Hardware-Accelerated VR & 3D Audio | VRS & Primitive Shaders
*= GPU Custom Shader Engine Size: 112TU/28CU/14WGP/2SA (Full Chip) & 104TU/26CU/13WGP/2SA (Active Chip)
GPU Total: 224TU/56CU/28WGP/4SA/2SE (Full Chip) & 208TU/52CU/26WGP/4SA/2SE (Active Chip; 8TU / 2CU / 1WGP disabled per SE)


MEMORY SYSTEM
  • HBM2E | 16GB @ 1TB/s | On-SoC iNFO_MS/Custom Fan-Out Design + Underside Heat Dissipation | 2048-Bit Bus: 2 Stacks x 8-Hi 16Gb @ 3.9Gbps/1950MHz | GAME
  • DDR4 | 4GB @ 40GB/s | Off-SoC | 128-Bit Bus: 4 x 8Gb 32-Bit I/O @ 2400MHz | OS/Background
  • Scratchpad: Embedded ReRAM | 80GB @ ~16GB/s Read, 6GB/s Write --OR-- Embedded Hi-Endurance NAND + SRAM Cache | 120GB @ ~10GB/s
  • Storage: Replaceable M.2 NVMe SSD | 1TB Default
  • HBCC & Optimised I/O Stack

I/O & CONNECTIVITY
  • Front: USB 3.1 x1 + USB 3.1 Type-C/VR x1 (Fast Charging)
  • Rear: USB 3.1 x1 + USB 3.1 Type-C/VR x1 + HDMI 2.1 x1 + 10 Gigabit Ethernet + Proprietary (PS4 CAM BC) + Power Input
  • Wireless: Bluetooth + Wi-Fi 6

MEDIA
  • DVD/BD/BD-3D/UHD-BD/BD-XL Optical Drive (12x)
  • Full PS4 Backwards Compatibility: Boost Mode & Forced 16x AF on all titles + "Pro+" Enhancements on patched titles.
  • PS1/PS2/PS3 library via upgraded/integrated PSNow/PSPlus: "PSLegacy"?
  • Background video recording with higher bitrate options and up to 4k/60.
  • Full support for HEVC & FVC via Disc Media, Streaming & Extended Storage
  • Maximum Output Capabilites: 4K/120+VRR+ALLM or 8K/60+VRR+ALLM with 4:4:4 Chroma, BT.2020, 12-Bit Colour & HDR

MANDATES (primarily for conventional display-based games)
  • 1080p Output Render Minimum: 1080P Native
  • 1440p Output Render Minimum: 1440P Native
  • 2160p Output Render Minimums: 1600P Native / 1440P+ TI / 2160 CB / Other
  • 4320p Output Render Minimums: Same as 2160p
  • Console UI, Overlays & Apps will render natively at output resolutions from 1080p up to 4320p. Native rendering of in-game UI elements is encouraged.
  • Forced 16x Anisotropic Filtering
  • Display DR Minimum/Recommendation: HDR10+ / Dolby Vision
  • Bit-depth Minimum/Recommendation: 10-Bit / 12-Bit
  • Colour Space: BT.2020
  • When games are targeting a variable refresh rate (30-60fps for eg.) and VRR is not being utilised; a simple option for a frame rate cap + v-sync mode must be made available to the player.
  • Strict Minimum Framerates: 30fps +/-10% for Conventional Displays / 60fps for VR
  • Recommended Framerates: 60fps + VRR + Motion Blur for Conventional Displays / 90fps or 120fps + Reprojection for VR
  • System-Wide HDR Calibration

BC/NATIVE MODES
  • PS4 Base: CPU @ 1.60GHz / GPU 18CU @ 800MHz (BC for PS4 Base Titles)
  • PS4 Base+"Boost": CPU @ 2.13GHz / GPU 18CU @ 911MHz (BC+Boost for PS4 Base Titles, User Selectable Option)
  • PS4 Pro: CPU @ 2.13GHz / GPU 36CU @ 911MHz (BC for PS4 Pro Titles)
  • PS4 "Pro+": CPU @ 3.5GHz / GPU 36CU @ 2100MHz (Enhanced BC Mode for PS4 Titles, Requires PS5 Patch)
  • PS5 Native 'Max Compute': CPU @ 3.5GHz / GPU 52CU @ 1800MHz (Prioritises Compute, Dynamic Developer Selectable Option)
  • PS5 Native 'Balanced': CPU @ 3.5GHz / GPU 48CU @ 1875MHz (Balanced Compute/Fillrate, Dynamic Developer Selectable Option)
  • PS5 Native 'Max Fillrate': CPU @ 3.5GHz / GPU 44CU @ 1950MHz (Prioritises Fillrate & Front-End Saturation, Dynamic Developer Selectable Option)

UI - "Unified Per-Game Profiles"
  • Customise Control Mapping
  • Customise Accessibility Options
  • Enable / Disable + Tweak HDR
  • Enable / Disable + Tweak VRR
  • Enable / Disable Super-Sampling (1080/1440p Displays Only)
  • Audio Output: Bitstream, PCM etc.
  • Enable / Disable Boost-Mode (PS4 BC Titles Only)
  • Etc..

STANDARD CONTROLLER
  • Haptic Feedback, Adaptive Triggers (Voice-Coil Actuators), Refined Six-Axis Motion Capabilities
  • Two Upgraded Speakers + Mic
  • Refined Touchpad Retained for Full BC.
  • High-Capacity Battery, USB 3 Type-C + Fast-Charging
  • Bluetooth 4.1+EDR Wireless Connectivity

PSVR 2.0
  • Release: Sept/Oct 2022.
  • Display: 10-Bit+FRC Ultra-Low Persistence OLED with HDR & Increased Peak Brightness @ 4096x2160p (2 x 2048x2160 x RGB x 90/120Hz)
  • Features: ~125 Degree FOV / Gaze Tracking + Foveated Rendering / Improved Optics / Slimline USB-C (DP) Cabling / Dual Cameras / Superior Tracking System & Motion Controls
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My updated, more conservative and probably last bet:

AMD-SONY Custom APU SoC / TSMC 7nm Performance-Enhanced (N7P)
  • ZEN2+ | 8 Cores & 16 Threads @ 3.5GHz | 8x32KB-d & 8x64KB-i L1, 8x512KB L2, 2x8MB L3
  • NAVI/RDNA2 | 176TU / 44CU / 22WGP / 4SA / 2SE @ 2000MHz & 11.26TFlops | 64 ROPS / 8 ACE
  • Hardware-Accelerated Ray Tracing (AMD Texture Unit-Integrated Intersection Engines + BVH Reordering ASIC & GPGPU Denoise)
  • Hardware-Accelerated VR & 3D Audio | VRS, Mesh Shaders, Primitive Shaders
  • 48CU/24WGP w/ 4CU/2WGP Disabled for Yield.

MEMORY SYSTEM
  • GDDR6 | 16GB @ 560GB/s | Near-SoC | 256-Bit Bus: 8 x 16Gb @ 17.5Gbps | GAME
  • DDR3/4 | 4GB @ 40GB/s | Off-SoC | 128-Bit Bus: 4 x 8Gb 32-Bit I/O @ 2400MHz | OS/SHELL/BG
  • Hi-Speed Storage (Embedded): 1TB NVMe SSD @ ~3.8GB/s - Soldered
  • Hi-Speed Storage (Expansion): 1TB/2TB NVMe SSD @ ~3.8GB/s - Proprietary Card
  • + ARM Controller, SRAM Cache, Optimised I/O Stack, Hardware Compression/Decompression
 
Sosokrates

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it_wasn't_me said:
Dude, just ordinary tweet for PS5 so far and social media metrics of this are already eclipsing the entirety of Xbox Series X engagement from yesterday. Btw. Sony's GDC presentation is planned surely. But program can change. I've said in one thread :
There a possibility to change GDC presentation program. I mean, maybe PS5 reveal was scheduled for Feb., but because corona it is postponed, and later Sony decide to change GDC presentation program and to include PS5 specs in that?
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And....?
 
FERN

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it_wasn't_me said:
Presentation tomorrow isn't reaction because MS. Like Schreier said.
Dude, just ordinary tweet for PS5 so far and social media metrics of this are already eclipsing the entirety of Xbox Series X engagement from yesterday. Btw. Sony's GDC presentation is planned surely. But program can change. I've said in one thread :
There a possibility to change GDC presentation program. I mean, maybe PS5 reveal was scheduled for Feb., but because corona it is postponed, and later Sony decide to change GDC presentation program and to include PS5 specs in that.
Btw. MS also has scheduled presentation tomorrow few hours after Sony.
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The only thing Sony could change at this point is CPU clock and GPU clock. They could have had a few stable settings they were looking at, waited for Xbox to reveal their hand, and now can choose what they want to set theirs at.
 
Mriverz

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VFXVeteran VFXVeteran you know alot about Rt. How much more would this improve a game like dreams? We saw what it did with Minecraft will the jump be that big in terms of visuals?
 
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