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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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DunDunDunpachi
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USA reported its first case mid-January, two weeks before Italy. How are we behind them?
Smiles and Cries
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France is still to come
www.worldometers.info
Coronavirus Update (Live): 131,897,800 Cases and 2,865,517 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer
Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...
www.worldometers.info
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Who knows. For one the USA is a big country. Big buildings, big houses... less cramped. And maybe Italy had bad luck with some eldercare facilities getting hit first - bet entire families got exposed visiting grandpa.
betrayal
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Carnival season in Italy.
Smiles and Cries
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Something the States Gov. and White House have been saying at press events lately so if you hear it, that is the source.
Insane Metal
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I feel so bad for Italy goddamn.
GamingKaiju
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The number of UK cases is starting a worrying trend. +405 cases and +16 deaths from yesterday. Covid is here to stay for a while.
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Jtibh
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Well said
Captain Zyrain
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Cybrwzrd
Banned
What are you talking about?
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Oh shit. I had this idea in my head that they cancelled those huh. Yeah, guess that's also a place you can catch a virus - and this time, turns out it wasn't a virus on your junk
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Jtibh
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Canada represent.
Should have been more specific.
Jtibh
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The video from yesterday was heartbreaking.
There is no way they can manage any more patients.
Captain Zyrain
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Why is no one talking about Switzerland?
Azzurri
Member
It's how Italians live, and European's in general, they basically live on top of each other in close quarter style apartments and they're very touchy touchy when they greet. It make it much easier to spread.
Cybrwzrd
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Our first cases were isolated cases and were not causing community spread. Then Italy and Iran erupted, and we had vacationers coming back spreading it. We are basically 2 weeks behind Italy on the exponential growth curve.
Smiles and Cries
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we can all hope they have peakedWhy is no one talking about Switzerland?
SpartanN92
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Checks coming in the mail huh?
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
This hinges on the assumption that the vacationers were the first ones who brought it back in high enough volume for it to matter.
We know enough about the current testing -- specifically, it's high false-positive rate and its low % of total cases tested -- so I'm not convinced vacationers returning was the big splash. We've had it in the country for weeks before the first case in January was caught, in my opinion.
Jtibh
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This is from facebook and its for my area but the message is clear.
Please take time to understand why limited contact is important!! THIS IS WHY. Thanks to Dave Balay for posting. If you're wondering why Public Health keeps saying the window is closing to stop the spread, here's why. The numbers tell us the reality. In Italy, on Feb 20, they had 4 confirmed cases. By March 15, less than a month, they had 24747 cases. Each day they had an average 27% increase. In USA, on March 2, they had 100 cases. By March 15, in less than 2 weeks, they had 3680 cases. They are at a 32% daily increase. In the UK, on March 5, they had 116 cases. By March 15, in 10 days, they had 1391 cases. They have a 29% daily increase. In Iran, on Feb 25, they had 95 cases. By March 15, in less than a month, they had 13938 cases. Iran is at a 32% daily increase The average daily increase over 4 countries is 30%. Canada and Alberta is following this trend. Two days ago Alberta had 29 cases, then the next day 39 cases, then the next day 56 cases. The average trend is a daily increase of over 34%. Currently in Canada we have 341 cases. In 2 weeks at the end of March we are estimated to have 22700 cases in Canada. In Alberta we have 56 cases. We are estimated by end of March to have 3732 cases in Alberta. If 10% of these cases require ICU, that is 373 ICU beds needed. The province only has 300 ICU beds across the entire province capable of intubation. That means in just 2 weeks our entire health care system could be overwhelmed and we will be faced with questions of who lives and who dies. The government is not overreacting when they put bans and restrictions in place. This is why the window to stop the spread is very narrow and why strict restrictions and closures are necessary. This is why we have to follow the regulations of government as our civic duty. We need a healthy amount of fear and understanding at this time, not panic, and not complacency, but the right kind of fear that leads to timely action.
Please take time to understand why limited contact is important!! THIS IS WHY. Thanks to Dave Balay for posting. If you're wondering why Public Health keeps saying the window is closing to stop the spread, here's why. The numbers tell us the reality. In Italy, on Feb 20, they had 4 confirmed cases. By March 15, less than a month, they had 24747 cases. Each day they had an average 27% increase. In USA, on March 2, they had 100 cases. By March 15, in less than 2 weeks, they had 3680 cases. They are at a 32% daily increase. In the UK, on March 5, they had 116 cases. By March 15, in 10 days, they had 1391 cases. They have a 29% daily increase. In Iran, on Feb 25, they had 95 cases. By March 15, in less than a month, they had 13938 cases. Iran is at a 32% daily increase The average daily increase over 4 countries is 30%. Canada and Alberta is following this trend. Two days ago Alberta had 29 cases, then the next day 39 cases, then the next day 56 cases. The average trend is a daily increase of over 34%. Currently in Canada we have 341 cases. In 2 weeks at the end of March we are estimated to have 22700 cases in Canada. In Alberta we have 56 cases. We are estimated by end of March to have 3732 cases in Alberta. If 10% of these cases require ICU, that is 373 ICU beds needed. The province only has 300 ICU beds across the entire province capable of intubation. That means in just 2 weeks our entire health care system could be overwhelmed and we will be faced with questions of who lives and who dies. The government is not overreacting when they put bans and restrictions in place. This is why the window to stop the spread is very narrow and why strict restrictions and closures are necessary. This is why we have to follow the regulations of government as our civic duty. We need a healthy amount of fear and understanding at this time, not panic, and not complacency, but the right kind of fear that leads to timely action.
Captain Zyrain
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Some looks at the Italian numbers...
3/12 - 3/13: Tests 11477 (2547 confirmed)
3/13 - 3/14: Tests 11682 (3497 confirmed)
3/14 - 3/15: Tests 15729 (3590 confirmed)
3/15 - 3/16: Tests 13063 (3233 confirmed)
3/16 - 3/17: Tests 10695 (3526 confirmed)
Testing is going down the last 3 days? There is no way to know if this is a testing limit/hospital limit/capacity or just less people presenting with symptoms.
Also, someone who tested negative on 3/13 could still test positive on 3/16.
The fact that the healed vs dead number is so close is worrisome. Italy needs to do whatever Iran is doing to get so many recovered so quickly (joke).
I'd say its far too soon to say this is a good or bad trend. It's good in the sense that we're not seeing exponentially more cases each day, but we've seen it dip for a day or two before it starts climbing again. We have to wait and see.
3/12 - 3/13: Tests 11477 (2547 confirmed)
3/13 - 3/14: Tests 11682 (3497 confirmed)
3/14 - 3/15: Tests 15729 (3590 confirmed)
3/15 - 3/16: Tests 13063 (3233 confirmed)
3/16 - 3/17: Tests 10695 (3526 confirmed)
Testing is going down the last 3 days? There is no way to know if this is a testing limit/hospital limit/capacity or just less people presenting with symptoms.
Also, someone who tested negative on 3/13 could still test positive on 3/16.
The fact that the healed vs dead number is so close is worrisome. Italy needs to do whatever Iran is doing to get so many recovered so quickly (joke).
I'd say its far too soon to say this is a good or bad trend. It's good in the sense that we're not seeing exponentially more cases each day, but we've seen it dip for a day or two before it starts climbing again. We have to wait and see.
Captain Zyrain
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Do not want
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
That looks amazingly convenient tbh
Jooxed
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Easier than getting popeye's chicken sandwich.
Gp1
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This was pretty much what happend on the entire american continent. The entire dissemination of corona in central and south america was from tourists returning from Italy. First they were isolated than... local contamination.
This was pretty much what happend on the entire american continent. The entire dissemination of corona in central and south america was from tourists returning from Italy. First they were isolated than... local contamination.
Smiles and Cries
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Azzurri
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Smiles and Cries
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Vermont is changing the way it reports cases. There are now 10 cases in the state.
From CNN's Carma Hassan
Vermont will no longer report non-Vermont resident cases of the novel coronavirus, according to the stateās Department of Health spokesman Ben Truman.
Yesterday, the state was reporting 12 cases of coronavirus: 8 Vermont residents and 4 non-Vermont residents with coronavirus.
Today, it is only reporting 10 cases of coronavirus among its residents.
New Jersey has 89 new cases of coronavirus
New Jersey confirms 89 new coronavirus cases, bringing the statewide total to 267, Gov. Phil Murphy just announced in an ongoing press
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New Mexico now has 20 confirmed cases
New Mexico public health officials now say the state has 20 confirmed cases of novel coronavirus, according to the Arizona Department of Health Services website.
CNN has previously reported 18 cases of Coronavirus in the state.
From CNN's Carma Hassan
Vermont will no longer report non-Vermont resident cases of the novel coronavirus, according to the stateās Department of Health spokesman Ben Truman.
Yesterday, the state was reporting 12 cases of coronavirus: 8 Vermont residents and 4 non-Vermont residents with coronavirus.
Today, it is only reporting 10 cases of coronavirus among its residents.
New Jersey has 89 new cases of coronavirus
New Jersey confirms 89 new coronavirus cases, bringing the statewide total to 267, Gov. Phil Murphy just announced in an ongoing press
Live updates: Coronavirus pandemic puts countries on lockdown - CNN
Millions are under lockdown in Europe as some Asian countries close schools and non-essential businesses, and curb travel. Follow here for live updates.
New Mexico now has 20 confirmed cases
New Mexico public health officials now say the state has 20 confirmed cases of novel coronavirus, according to the Arizona Department of Health Services website.
CNN has previously reported 18 cases of Coronavirus in the state.
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rykomatsu
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What? Care to elaborate?
Captain Zyrain
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Vermont is changing the way it reports cases. There are now 10 cases in the state.
From CNN's Carma Hassan
Vermont will no longer report non-Vermont resident cases of the novel coronavirus, according to the stateās Department of Health spokesman Ben Truman.
Yesterday, the state was reporting 12 cases of coronavirus: 8 Vermont residents and 4 non-Vermont residents with coronavirus.
Today, it is only reporting 10 cases of coronavirus among its residents.
New Jersey has 89 new cases of coronavirus
New Jersey confirms 89 new coronavirus cases, bringing the statewide total to 267, Gov. Phil Murphy just announced in an ongoing press
.Live updates: Coronavirus pandemic puts countries on lockdown - CNN
Millions are under lockdown in Europe as some Asian countries close schools and non-essential businesses, and curb travel. Follow here for live updates.
Haha the hoops they jump through... I would guess you should report anyone IN your state with the virus, regardless of where they live.
If they tested in your state but then went home to another state.. I guess that'd make sense not to count them. But you need to make sure they are counted somewhere.
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
[WITHDRAWN: Potential false-positive rate among the 'asymptomatic infected individuals' in close contacts of COVID-19 patients] - PubMed
<span><b>Editor officeās response for Ahead of Print article withdrawn</b> The article āPotential false-positive rate among the āasymptomatic infected individualsā in close contacts of COVID-19 patientsā was under strong discussion after pre-published. Questions from the readers mainly focused...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Results: When the infection rate of the close contacts and the sensitivity and specificity of reported results were taken as the point estimates, the positive predictive value of the active screening was only 19.67%, in contrast, the false-positive rate of positive results was 80.33%. The multivariate-probabilistic sensitivity analysis results supported the base-case findings, with a 75% probability for the false-positive rate of positive results over 47%.
Conclusions: In the close contacts of COVID-19 patients, nearly half or even more of the 'asymptomatic infected individuals' reported in the active nucleic acid test screening might be false positives.
This jives with reports from several countries -- S. Korea, USA, UK, to name three that are relatively trustworthy -- that among symptomatic patients who were tested for the virus, only 1-4% were positive. Add a low % of confirmed cases among symptomatic people who were tested +
a high false-positive % among asymptomatic people who were tested +
(presumably) a high number of unidentified cases (since we know ~80% only get mild symptoms or no symptoms at all)
=
a suggestion that the available numbers are skewed.
Smiles and Cries
Member
I'm gonna take a break to watch Nintendo Indies reaction vids lol
Someone else report on France please
Someone else report on France please
NorwayBot
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Some numbers from the Norwegian CDC this evening,
Total tested 21642 people.
We currently got 1308 REGISTERED cases. (CDC numbers)
90% of the infected, only have mild symptoms or none at all.
68 persons are now admitted to hospital.
13 of those 68 are in ICU.
Stay safe!
Total tested 21642 people.
We currently got 1308 REGISTERED cases. (CDC numbers)
90% of the infected, only have mild symptoms or none at all.
68 persons are now admitted to hospital.
13 of those 68 are in ICU.
Stay safe!
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emmerrei
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Most infuriating thing in all this are that China bullshit numbers at the top of the "Leaderboard". And the disgusting propaganda that's comes out from it is even worse. How can a country, were people live like rats in cages, and also eats rats, where only one of their city has the same amount of people of Italy, have only 80k infected? They can't. 68k recovered? Yeah maybe, out of some milions.
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cryptoadam
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Ive been beating the shut down Iran drum for weeks now.
cryptoadam
Banned
Coronavirus as it happened March 17: Quebec cases rise to 74
Many Quebecers are trying to come home but are having difficulty getting flights during the pandemic.
montrealgazette.com
Health Minister Danielle McCann says Quebec is prepared for an influx of patients with COVID-19.
She said Quebec has 1,000 intensive-care beds, and another 1,800 hospital beds that can be used. Another 6,000 beds are being freed up by cancelling elective surgeries and moving people who donāt need hospital care to other locations. Quebec can add another 3,000 beds, she said.
āWe have the scenarios, we know we will be able to give the care ā hospitalization or intensive care,ā McCann said.
She noted that most people who get the disease will not require hospitalization.
Quebec says it has hired 1,800 extra people who are being deployed in the health-care system. About 10,000 people have submitted CVs after Quebec appealed for retired health-care and social-services personnel to come forward.
Premier Francois Legault said his key message today was aimed at youth, who āarenāt taking this seriously enough right now.ā
He added: āIām told that young people are not listening to advice about meeting in groups. I was a young person once and I know that thereās a point when young people donāt listen to older peopleā¦ (But) itās not the time to party or to gather in groups.ā
At least my Premiere seems to be taking this seriously and trying to get us prepared. 63 cases now. I remember the days when we had 4.
Captain Zyrain
Member
*phone beeps*
*You ignore it*
*phone beeps louder*
*You ignore it*
*PHONE STARTS TALKING TO YOU*
"Sir, you are TOO close to people around you, increase your SOCIAL DISTANCE! Also, get a hair cut."
Also.. NYC....
*You ignore it*
*phone beeps louder*
*You ignore it*
*PHONE STARTS TALKING TO YOU*
"Sir, you are TOO close to people around you, increase your SOCIAL DISTANCE! Also, get a hair cut."
Also.. NYC....
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Smiles and Cries
Member
France updated, where is the post?
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cryptoadam
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Smiles and Cries
Member
NYC will be able to run up to 5,000 tests per day by Thursday
New York City will have the ability to administer 5,000 tests per day by Thursday, Mayor Bill de Blasio said today.
The cityās public health-care system is forming a private partnership that will allow the public care system to run these tests.
The results will take one to two days.
Calling it a "huge increase in testing capacity," the focus will be on those who are currently hospitalized and those who are medically in danger.
Florida's governor issues statewide executive order on bars, beaches and restaurants
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis just issued an executive order to reduce crowds in restaurants, bars, nightclubs and beaches in response to the coronavirus outbreak.
Here's how it breaks down, according to the governor's press release:
New York City will have the ability to administer 5,000 tests per day by Thursday, Mayor Bill de Blasio said today.
The cityās public health-care system is forming a private partnership that will allow the public care system to run these tests.
The results will take one to two days.
Calling it a "huge increase in testing capacity," the focus will be on those who are currently hospitalized and those who are medically in danger.
Florida's governor issues statewide executive order on bars, beaches and restaurants
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis just issued an executive order to reduce crowds in restaurants, bars, nightclubs and beaches in response to the coronavirus outbreak.
Here's how it breaks down, according to the governor's press release:
- Bars and nightclubs: They are closed for the next 30 days.
- Beaches: All parties accessing public beaches in the state of Florida must follow the CDC guidance by limiting their gatherings to no more than 10 people.
- Restaurants: They will now be required to limit customer entry to 50% capacity. Seating must be staggered and limited to ensure guests are separated by a distance of at least six feet, in accordance with CDC guidelines. Restaurants are encouraged to remain open and expand take-out and delivery services.
Cybrwzrd
Banned
Smiles and Cries
Member
Fever info from Dr. Campbell and his thinking about treating it
Captain Zyrain
Member
Damn! I thought for sure that was going to be too much. How many total was yesterday? We need a running count.
Also, prescient:
Fun Fanboy
Banned
Welp. I'll never get tested! Ain't doing that shit!
Smiles and Cries
Member
all of our super spiky countries have reported for the 24hr period we are at a new record of 14k new cases for the day there is still 9hours left or so maybe.
mostly everyone reported today
Coronavirus Update (Live): 131,897,800 Cases and 2,865,517 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer
Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...
www.worldometers.info
they can still have second updates
USA never stops updating.
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cryptoadam
Banned
[WITHDRAWN: Potential false-positive rate among the 'asymptomatic infected individuals' in close contacts of COVID-19 patients] - PubMed
<span><b>Editor officeās response for Ahead of Print article withdrawn</b> The article āPotential false-positive rate among the āasymptomatic infected individualsā in close contacts of COVID-19 patientsā was under strong discussion after pre-published. Questions from the readers mainly focused...
Results: When the infection rate of the close contacts and the sensitivity and specificity of reported results were taken as the point estimates, the positive predictive value of the active screening was only 19.67%, in contrast, the false-positive rate of positive results was 80.33%. The multivariate-probabilistic sensitivity analysis results supported the base-case findings, with a 75% probability for the false-positive rate of positive results over 47%. Conclusions: In the close contacts of COVID-19 patients, nearly half or even more of the 'asymptomatic infected individuals' reported in the active nucleic acid test screening might be false positives.This jives with reports from several countries -- S. Korea, USA, UK, to name three that are relatively trustworthy -- that among symptomatic patients who were tested for the virus, only 1-4% were positive.
Add a low % of confirmed cases among symptomatic people who were tested +
a high false-positive % among asymptomatic people who were tested +
(presumably) a high number of unidentified cases (since we know ~80% only get mild symptoms or no symptoms at all)
=
a suggestion that the available numbers are skewed.
All I will say about cases is think why we started tracking it this way. Ask yourself who was the first to report this? Why is the tracker tracking case numbers as some godly number when everyone tests differently, with different tests? How does using cases benefit China and for them to hide their actual numbers.
CCP propaganda has basically set the narrative for this virus and the rest of the world is buying it hook line and sinker. We are using case numbers and put them out there because China did that. But why didn't China just tell us how many people were hospatilized for COVID-19? Wouldn't that be a better indicator and is comparable across various countries. Hospital is hospital. But a test in the US with 1000 test done is different than a test in Germany with 30 000 test done.
I have no problem with case numbers or testing, but we need to think of the reason why this has become the dominate number to communicate the virus and why a certain government would use data that can be easily manipulated.
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