hemo memo
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I think Osiris gets paid for coming in this thread by GAF, so that this thread keeps on going, Neogaf gets Google ad payments for amount of users.. win/win.
This topic is milked back and forth
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God of War wouldn’t do that to us.
Lunatic_Gamer
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Captain Hero
The Spoiler Soldier
399 consoles confirmed ! All hail Game Pass, savior of Series X pricing !
Sony has to follow!
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skneogaf
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if the recent screen shot of both consoles specs where the ps5 was a little bit better than the xsx then I think the ps5 will be 50 dollars more than the xsx.
I also think playstation users will be fine with that as the xbox one x would have annoyed playstation 4 Pro users in recent times.
I know I felt disappointed with my ps4 Pro as I'd of paid 50 more for more power.
I also think playstation users will be fine with that as the xbox one x would have annoyed playstation 4 Pro users in recent times.
I know I felt disappointed with my ps4 Pro as I'd of paid 50 more for more power.
Scrubbed the personal attacks and derail bait.
nowhat
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With all due respect to DF (and I do have a lot, they do good work in general), those DF Directs are so speculative they're about as informative/insightful as this thread. Which is to say, not very.
whoever81
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Like all true mods of war do!
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gargalo13
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"Look, we've been waiting on this long rumoured PlayStation 5 reveal event for weeks now, and while we don't want to get any of you too excited, new quotes from Sony's most recent earnings call suggest that a PS5 blowout is happening sooner rather than later.
The aforementioned earnings call took place near the beginning of the month, but the full transcript has only just caught our eye. When asked about the PS5 and its reveal, Sony senior executive vice president and chief financial officer Hiroki Totoki replied: "When the time is right, we will disclose the new product".
Totoki then goes into a little more detail: "It's very difficult to really discuss this timing-wise, but as of today, we will provide the guidance at a time period which is comparable to the past. So we will not change the time schedule."
When Totoki says "comparable to the past", we can only assume that he's referencing the PS4. The current-gen console was revealed at its own special event -- the PlayStation Meeting -- in February 2013, and then it was both shown and priced at E3 later that year. Based on this quote, it certainly sounds like Sony is planning on releasing more PS5 information very soon. We are, after all, more than halfway through February 2020.
While we're not convinced that we're getting a PS5 event before the end of the month, we can definitely see Sony breaking its silence in the relatively near future. But what do you think? Is the PS5 reveal happening soon? If so, how soon? Place your bets in the comments section below."
The aforementioned earnings call took place near the beginning of the month, but the full transcript has only just caught our eye. When asked about the PS5 and its reveal, Sony senior executive vice president and chief financial officer Hiroki Totoki replied: "When the time is right, we will disclose the new product".
Totoki then goes into a little more detail: "It's very difficult to really discuss this timing-wise, but as of today, we will provide the guidance at a time period which is comparable to the past. So we will not change the time schedule."
When Totoki says "comparable to the past", we can only assume that he's referencing the PS4. The current-gen console was revealed at its own special event -- the PlayStation Meeting -- in February 2013, and then it was both shown and priced at E3 later that year. Based on this quote, it certainly sounds like Sony is planning on releasing more PS5 information very soon. We are, after all, more than halfway through February 2020.
While we're not convinced that we're getting a PS5 event before the end of the month, we can definitely see Sony breaking its silence in the relatively near future. But what do you think? Is the PS5 reveal happening soon? If so, how soon? Place your bets in the comments section below."
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
You might just be in luck. A highly trusted source just leaked this.
Napkin math checks out!
Imtjnotu
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my bad lol ill stop
IkarugaDE
Member
Few things I have to say about that insider-thing.
Beeing a real insider (means not a troll, but a person with real and good knowledge and/or connections) is a ungrateful "job". At first no one believes you. This is normal and comprehensible after there are so many trolls outside. Then, if you really said something which turns out to be true later, everyone has questions for you but you can't give a clear answer everytime; either cause you threaten your own job, the job of your informants or at least the connection to your informant. Don't think some companies not do their best to identify the leaker, in any case if someone really is going to be a great problem.
At least, it's not abnormal a leak is right at the time it was spread, but then something happened suddenly and the leak is going to be obsolete. An example: About 4 years ago, Apple planned to release an iPhone 7, 7 Plus and 7 Pro. During the 7 Plus only was a bigger version of the 7 (and with one camera), the 7 Pro had two cameras and a smart-connector for Apple-keyboards, etc. Few months later, suddenly a new rumor was distributed that Apple killed the Pro model, uses the double-camera in the plus model and removed the smartconnector completely. It would not surprise me if some good and real leakers lost their credibility after that because some people thought they lied.
And that's the last problem: You can be right 10 times, but if one leak is not true at the end (no matter why this is happening) you can be fucked.
Beeing a real insider (means not a troll, but a person with real and good knowledge and/or connections) is a ungrateful "job". At first no one believes you. This is normal and comprehensible after there are so many trolls outside. Then, if you really said something which turns out to be true later, everyone has questions for you but you can't give a clear answer everytime; either cause you threaten your own job, the job of your informants or at least the connection to your informant. Don't think some companies not do their best to identify the leaker, in any case if someone really is going to be a great problem.
At least, it's not abnormal a leak is right at the time it was spread, but then something happened suddenly and the leak is going to be obsolete. An example: About 4 years ago, Apple planned to release an iPhone 7, 7 Plus and 7 Pro. During the 7 Plus only was a bigger version of the 7 (and with one camera), the 7 Pro had two cameras and a smart-connector for Apple-keyboards, etc. Few months later, suddenly a new rumor was distributed that Apple killed the Pro model, uses the double-camera in the plus model and removed the smartconnector completely. It would not surprise me if some good and real leakers lost their credibility after that because some people thought they lied.
And that's the last problem: You can be right 10 times, but if one leak is not true at the end (no matter why this is happening) you can be fucked.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Well, the leak for the Oberon testing mentioned "full chip", which I guess also led people to think RT wasn't present on the chip, when it very much likely is. So some have figured "full chip" means 40CUs. But "full chip" could've also referenced something like the memory controller, which a later stepping actually improved thanks to fixing a bug in the silicon. So even "full chip" is missing some context xD. TBF though it's not so much the Github, but the successive Oberon benchmark tests that have shown a 40CU chip that have led a tinge of credence to the "max 40CU" thing...but again, some context is missing.
If the PS5 went with symmetry in mind, it would have 54CUs max, as that mirrors a 3x increase over PS4's 18CUs. That's the best-case scenario, and while it's very probable, a benchmark leak uncovering a PS5-fitting GPU with those specifications would go a long way in sealing the deal on that probability more or less being unofficially confirmed. For now tho, I personally still have to take it with a dash of doubt until that happens.
I'm not too sure if using the mid-gen refreshes is the best way to gauge what development for the next-gen platforms have been like. Even tho PS4 Pro and the X were significant upgrades over the base systems, they still used shitty Jaguar cores and only moderately improved GPUs in terms of architecture (featuring later-gen GCN, either GCN 3 or 4 IIRC). I think people are vastly underestimating what a 36CU Navi with RDNA1 & RDNA2 can do compared to a 36CU Polaris. It's effectively a near 3x performance increase even with using the same CU count and an even smaller amount of die space!
01011001
Banned
this video also shows again why Lockhart wouldn't hold anything back and would easily run anything you throw at it at 1080p, and if prices will actually be that high, Lockhart might actually be a good idea. (also I low key root for this so getting a secondary system for local Lan is cheaper lol)
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Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Let me just say I’m fully in team “let’s not do Lockhart”.I would rather those funds went into a Pro SX in a few years.
But yes, exactly. Lockhart is essentialy positioned to run SX/PS5 games but with a lower resolution, and I can see why in this age (where most people still don’t even have 4k sets) that may be attractive. Even more so if the price is good.
Gamernyc78
Banned
But bottom line the same way they voluntarily decided to divulge information as an "insider" is the same way they can voluntarily not say shit and just be a part of this forum as a regular member. They should know thy are putting themselves in a position of high level of scrutiny and shouldn't have thin skin when it happens.
My thing isnt when thy get shit right or wrong, it's when thy claim being insiders but all some are doing is regurgitating info tht has been said already or giving vague, ambiguous answers tht really say nothing and can be right or right no matter which way it goes lol I see tht alot for e.g. "Psv is more powerful but tht can change" Answers tht are productive "both are really close in power" tht type of answer is beneficial imo not ambiguous ones open to sudden change.
01011001
Banned
dude I would get it as a secondary down the line for sure. and I mean, at some point they could phase the Lockhart out, when the prices go down, and position Series X as the low end model and bring in a even better model down the line?
Fun Fanboy
Banned
They seem to only believe what Klee has said and whoever Matt is. Apparently those are the only 2 who's words should be taken 100%.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Not a bad idea. I have that many consoles floating around this house it’s starting to look like the bridge of the enterprise
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
It’s a known fact that insiders are only correct when they say your console of choice is ahead. This is science.
01011001
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Not a bad idea. I have that many consoles floating around this house it’s starting to look like the bridge of the enterprise
same lol
One S, One X, PS4fat, PS4pro, PS3 SS, 360 Fat (Falcon), 360 S, og Xbox (modded), Wii (modded), Wii U (modded), Switch... it's getting out of hand... BUT at least the Series X makes the One X obsolete... so the One X will take over the One S' spot on the PC screen and the Series X will take over the One X's spot on the TV... meaning bye bye One S!
and the PS5 will do the same with the PS4pro and PS4fat lol, bye bye PS4 fat you loud piece of shit!... but it is the Batman edition... so it might get tuned into a display unit on a shelf lol
so at the very least the amount of systems will stay the same since these systems will finally have full backcompat! it was about time for that lol.
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Gudji
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DF should stick to analyzing games - something they sometimes fuck up too.
DrDamn
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I wonder how low a price they can realistically go with Lockhart though. They save on the GPU and presumably physical disc drive, but a lot is still expensive bits of kit.
I also wonder if Lockhart might primarily/only be for server racks pumping out xCloud content at 1080p.
That's with intended butterfly design. Saying you can disable an arbitrary amount of cus without a like said design is nonsense. Only if you permanently disabled CUs for yields etc...managed on a bios like profile level, there is no switching on and off dynamically unless you have something like a butterfly design.Does not currently exist otherwise. I'll bet you $500 the ps5 doesn't have 72 or more CUs?
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Gamernyc78
Banned
Ima laugh when these bozos are wrong on their 8tf bs thy tried to push.
01011001
Banned
well the GPU core reduction alone can save a bunch of money.
and a slight RAM reduction, no disc drive, smaller case, smaller heatpipe, smaller fan and a smaller SSD all combined could really made a difference in the final price.
if they handle textures like they did on Xbox One X and S where many games have 4K textures only when installing on One X, the reduced SSD size could be there because developers will provide 2 sets of textures, a set of textures optimised for the lower ram and for displaying at 1080p (where you don't need as much fine detail) and a set of textures for Series X which has more RAM specifically for that reason and can handle the space requirements through a higher capacity SSD.
that could make a difference of $150 easily if not more. 4k Bluray drives aren't super cheap yet, ram is not cheap, SSDs are not cheap.
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Kusarigama
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Yeah I too thought that it was very unusual that it said that we have to answer 2 undifined Qs on the last day. It is as suspicious behaviour as it can get.
wowbaggerBR
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Lots of poems though.
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Lort
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So that’s to force you to log in at that time .. and the questions would likely be...
Is the price to high?
Would you rather buy an xbox for its price?
I’m lacking context but is that what your thinking?
Sirolf
Member
Kusarigama
Member
No, no, these are usually some game/trailers related trivia questions. They ask like what's the name of the certain games protagonist or who plays what character or what location the certain game is based in etc. etc.
hemo memo
Gold Member
If the general attitude continues, not only insiders who are going to leave.
Dabaus
Banned
Shamelessly Cross posting from another thread:
500 dollars is fine if the specs are in line the the series x give or take a teraflop. But 9 vs. 12 for the same price? Thats asking alot. If sony shot for a 399 price point and the specs reflect that but in the end still cost them 500 then that is a big time screw up on their part. Its not at PS3 599 hard to program for, losing all your exclusive third parties or xbox one reveal levels of screw up, but its not the PR they want or need at the beginning of a new console cycle. Especially with lockheart in the background.
Sony done Goofed. Thats why their hiding the PS5 as much as they are. No one way to spin what they have. The 399 price point put them in a box and MS just out smarted them. Damn shame too.
500 dollars is fine if the specs are in line the the series x give or take a teraflop. But 9 vs. 12 for the same price? Thats asking alot. If sony shot for a 399 price point and the specs reflect that but in the end still cost them 500 then that is a big time screw up on their part. Its not at PS3 599 hard to program for, losing all your exclusive third parties or xbox one reveal levels of screw up, but its not the PR they want or need at the beginning of a new console cycle. Especially with lockheart in the background.
Sony done Goofed. Thats why their hiding the PS5 as much as they are. No one way to spin what they have. The 399 price point put them in a box and MS just out smarted them. Damn shame too.
01011001
Banned
if the TF difference will be this big we can easily assume that the One X will be 50 to 100 dollars more expensive. especially if Sony sells below the manufacturing costs.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Smh I love all the tarot readers and psychics and ppl making frivolous assumptions who didn't learn after looking like 
s this gen when ppl said the same shit and Sony literally wiped the floor with Xbox.
Gudji
Member
This post tells you everything you need to know:
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
This is tastyyyy I still think this is the best design so far. That and the Black version
In time people will learn more.
Bonus - no payment required: Tim Dog is also part of that discord. It's where he got his "info".
IkarugaDE
Member
Dude I'm from germany and it's really hard to understand what you type in here with your abbreviations. It's harder than listening to an Irishman on the phone.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
With all due respect, I got sick of you guys and this so-called NeoGAF forums with all the 9.2TF harassment. I was really considering a golden membership, but I digressed. I heard a lot of down-talking and laughing at REEEEEEE here. So I googled it:
Pushed that, yet again I somehow see freakin NeoGAF in the mix:
Then went in and searched for the speculation thread. Inside the thread I found the amazing poet Colbert along with other civilized members, but what caught my eyes was this post:
Chocolate, Banana, and walnuts. This thread looks more organic and healthy to me. I'm done here, bye.
Pushed that, yet again I somehow see freakin NeoGAF in the mix:
Then went in and searched for the speculation thread. Inside the thread I found the amazing poet Colbert along with other civilized members, but what caught my eyes was this post:
Chocolate, Banana, and walnuts. This thread looks more organic and healthy to me. I'm done here, bye.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Dude I'm from germany and it's really hard to understand what you type in here with your abbreviations. It's harder than listening to an Irishman on the phone.
Dude thts OK I'm from NYC and most understand it lol
But I will try to ease up on the abbreviations lol mea culpa
Dudeee I just looked there's only two abbreviations in tht paragraph
just admit it it is because English isn't your native language.
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IkarugaDE
Member
Problem is you are fucked cause I'm also active there.With all due respect, I got sick of you guys and this so-called NeoGAF forums with all the 9.2TF harassment. I was really considering a golden membership, but I digressed. I heard a lot of down-talking and laughing at REEEEEEE here. So I googled it:
Pushed that, yet again I somehow see freakin NeoGAF in the mix:
Then went in and searched for the speculation thread. Inside the thread I found the amazing poet Colbert along with other civilized members, but what caught my eyes was this post:
Chocolate, Banana, and walnuts. This thread looks more organic and healthy to me. I'm done here, bye.
IkarugaDE
Member
Nice. If you keep it up I will send you a package with some Milka chocolate and a glass of Sauerkraut.
devilNprada
Member
Unless maybe CES was the big reveal, until the Summer reveal?
Edit: CES in conjunction with the wired article i mean.
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Gamernyc78
Banned
IkarugaDE
Member
Didn't meant that reply but the previous one from my longer message regarding the leaker-"job".Dudeee I just looked there's only two abbreviations in tht paragraph
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
That post is easily the best leak of the gen. the fact that they all showed up seconds after that was posted was hilarious too because they ended up proving him right.This post tells you everything you need to know:
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
This is tastyyyy I still think this is the best design so far. That and the Black versionwww.neogaf.com
In time people will learn more.
Bonus - no payment required: Tim Dog is also part of that discord. It's where he got his "info".
this is factually incorrect. hmqq and klobrie were treated with respect and their word was taken just as seriously as Matt's and Klee's. both of them led the MS is more powerful charge on era immediately after the first wired article went live. i do not remember them facing any kind of pushback, let alone harassment from the sony fans. we all just assumed that to be the case since they were verified and we simply took their word for it.
it wasnt until E3 when Reiner and Colin came out and said they heard different from devs that everyone began to wonder just what the hell these MS insiders were talking about. And again, despite them being proven wrong by reputable journalists, they were not harassed or mocked. they just simply packed their bags and went into hiding. they only pop up whenever windowscentral leaks something to gloat and then go back into hiding. Matt and Klee were part of that thread and continued to post for months through it all until they were driven out after the github leaks.
THAT is the reason why people trusted them and still do. they were part of the community and discussed everything on a daily basis. not just who comes out on top. they didnt just show up to do PR for MS every few months.
Penello still posts there and is treated like a rockstar. the same guy who was mocked and laughed off of gaf at the start of last gen. hes also led the charge for the $399 8 tflops ps5 and no one even dares to disagree with him.
Bladed Thesis
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Who did that?Any chance a mod can remove all my posts from this thread, I'm feeling bad for the dude that bet his PS4 Pro on the reveal being before page 1000. It will give Sony a bit more time
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