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Ar¢tos
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Two groups hating each other? Ps fans and Xbox fans?
SE ditched Nintendo in early ff7 development because of the limited cartridge size and Sony was doing CDS for ps1, so they went to Sony.
Kinda of an ancient reference, not sure of what he means. There are newer and more clear things to use as reference for companies having issues with each other.
FranXico
Member
Just an example from the past of a third party partner souring a relationship with a console maker.
He probably means some third parties are going to take Microsoft's cheque next gen.
Reindeer
Member
But that doesn't seem to be Microsoft's approach these days, it's more of a Sony thing.
FranXico
Member
Both do it, but one company has more money to spend than the other. Guess which
And please don't fall for the "Microsoft is changed" narrative. Look at the end results of their actions, not what Spencer says.
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Reindeer
Member
I already stated on this thread that Microsoft changes their narrative whenever they please, but they really haven't been about second and third party deals for a while and are more focused in investing in their first party. They could of course go back to 360 days with throwing cash at second and third party, but I somehow think they would rather buy more studios and invest into them.Both do it, but one company has more money to spend than the other. Guess which
And please don't fall for the "Microsoft is changed" narrative. Look at the end results of their actions, not what Spencer says.
Ar¢tos
Member
MS has more money than Sony, but I doubt the Xbox division has as much money to spend as the Playstation division.Both do it, but one company has more money to spend than the other. Guess which
And please don't fall for the "Microsoft is changed" narrative. Look at the end results of their actions, not what Spencer says.
Playstation is vital to Sony, Xbox could disappear and it would hardly bother MS.
For Xbox to get money they need to convince shareholders that they are worth that money, with Sony huge lead this gen, I think they have even less to spend (they bought a bunch of indies that were nearly closing down, not AAA studios).
Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
I was also not sure on this. Quick google search of Nintendo, Sony and Square Enix shows Nintendo basically told Square Enix to get fucked after SE did something with Sony.
So I feel like many money hats for Game Pass is going to sour realtions between Sony and devs. But eh. Who knows.
Side note: CBOAT Fuck yeah! I saw some posts of people asking who it is and saying CBOAT knows anything.
Can we please perma ban them. K thanks.
FranXico
Member
They will do both next gen. Buy some studios and rent exclusives from big publishers.
Reindeer
Member
You say that with such surety like you are an insider
Rightisright
Banned
But he had some qualifiers on that. "Not much in it", "Things can change" etc.
If he came out and said "PS5 has 12.5tflops, and XSX has 12tflops" then I would say he has gone on the record with it. As it stands he has some outs like "I was told GCN tflops", "They updated the XSX dev kits after I got this info", etc.
That's nothing to hang your hat on. Like I said, the Reddit leak from 12 months ago nailed the XSX and Lockhart specs. And the fact that those specs havent changed in 12 months, kinda goes against Sony changing theirs in 6 months.
Rightisright
Banned
Who's betting that if Sony reveal the PS5 in a couple of weeks they wont mention the tflops, nor the CU count?
Will be something like "the fastest GPU ever put into a console at 2.0ghz".
Kinda like MS and their retarded transistor count.
Will be something like "the fastest GPU ever put into a console at 2.0ghz".
Kinda like MS and their retarded transistor count.
DJ12
Member
Man, I guess cboat's info will only be decoded when some actual news can be related to his comment rather than figuring it out.
And despite Sony's lead it was Microsoft that appeared to garner favour with the big third parties EA/ubisoft so maybe it's that relationship changing.
I previously mentioned ms buying up some exclusivity from third parties when Osiris first mentioned it.
So let's think back to why square 'ditched' Nintendo. It was solely because they didn't go for CDs. So is Osiris telling us one of the consoles is lacking a game changing feature or is he literally saying square are ditching one console.
OsirisBlack
feel free to message me if I'm anywhere near the truth with either of these I promise I won't tell anyone else
And despite Sony's lead it was Microsoft that appeared to garner favour with the big third parties EA/ubisoft so maybe it's that relationship changing.
I previously mentioned ms buying up some exclusivity from third parties when Osiris first mentioned it.
So let's think back to why square 'ditched' Nintendo. It was solely because they didn't go for CDs. So is Osiris telling us one of the consoles is lacking a game changing feature or is he literally saying square are ditching one console.
OsirisBlack
feel free to message me if I'm anywhere near the truth with either of these I promise I won't tell anyone else 
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
When PS5 official specs are revealed, you got two sides that are at total odds.
1. Some guy saw leaked github data showing 9.2TF test scores from AMD. Supposedly accurate tests. Already taken down.
2. Everyone else including web site personalities who have leaked info say PS5 is similar, or even a bit more powerful than Series X. So assuming SeX is 12TF, then PS5 is 12TF or more. No actual spec claims. All vague claims by every insider in this camp.
Can't wait to see which side wins..... or nobody wins if PS5 ends up right in the middle at around 10-11 TF.
1. Some guy saw leaked github data showing 9.2TF test scores from AMD. Supposedly accurate tests. Already taken down.
2. Everyone else including web site personalities who have leaked info say PS5 is similar, or even a bit more powerful than Series X. So assuming SeX is 12TF, then PS5 is 12TF or more. No actual spec claims. All vague claims by every insider in this camp.
Can't wait to see which side wins..... or nobody wins if PS5 ends up right in the middle at around 10-11 TF.
DJ12
Member
Don't forget 'we have calculated this is X2 the X gpu' which everyone takes as gospel means 12 tflops when it clearly doesn't as they would've said 2x the tflops. It's a metric ms have used so why ditch it now unless they are trying to be deliberately obtuse.
I guess they are waiting for Sony to release a number so they know if Sony are using special maths to convert RDNA to gcn and they will follow suit accordingly.
They go high now and Sony come out much lower but compete or better with in game performance and questions will be asked about ms ability to make consoles.
Your 3 tflops more and being outperformed is not a good look.
Reindeer
Member
You also got insiders that said that maximum difference between the two will be 10%. If PS5 comes just under 11 tflops then they will be correct.
Evilms
Banned
Nvidia Ampere Purportedly 50% Faster Than Turing At Half The Power Consumption
www.taipeitimes.com
Nvidia GPU to benefit local firms - Taipei Times
Bringing Taiwan to the World and the World to Taiwan
www.taipeitimes.com
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
10% which way? Or is it +/- 10% comapred to SeX at 12TF?
If it's the safe +/-, then PS5 can be around 10.8 to 13.2TF. Talk about casting a wide net.
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CyberPanda
Banned
RIP AMDNvidia Ampere Purportedly 50% Faster Than Turing At Half The Power Consumption
Nvidia GPU to benefit local firms - Taipei Times
Bringing Taiwan to the World and the World to Taiwan
BattleScar
Member
Doubt.Nvidia Ampere Purportedly 50% Faster Than Turing At Half The Power Consumption
Nvidia GPU to benefit local firms - Taipei Times
Bringing Taiwan to the World and the World to Taiwan
It's more likely to either be 50% faster at the same power, or the same performance at half the power.
In other words, it's the exact difference in performance between TSMC 12FFN and 7FF. A Turing or Volta Die Shrink me thinks.
Reindeer
Member
PS5 within 10% of Xbox
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Imtjnotu
Member
Xbox within 10% of ps5
Reindeer
Member
At this point anything is possible
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
June 6 = 6.6 = 6.6% TF difference?
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Agnostic2020
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chemical boy
Member
The return of CBOAT is a MEGATON, I wonder what Osiris refers to with his message ...
But you aren't praising or concuring the things I say that is true. I get nothing but attacks on things you think I say are inaccurate. How about addressingethomaz ? His comments seem to concur with mine (i.e. there is no advantage of unified memory that will see any gains that will make a console game outshine a PC variant of that game). And I would still take the 11G of VRAM and 16G of CPU RAM for a game.
Anything I say is just my opinion on things (if it's not a known fact, obviously).
I have addressed what
ethomaz
said.My opinion is still the same: PC architecture is really bad for games, it can compete with a console only by brute-forcing things and developers not doing their job in optimizing the game.
In the long run probably the laziness will win, mainly because current graphics level is pretty "enough" for an average gamer, there is no need to invest in clever things when you can just up the resolution and say it is "better" now.
I also do not believe in latency-limited techniques that's why I oppose RT everywhere. Moore law is not helping anymore, only bandwidth-oriented stuff will survive in a long run.
That's my ideology.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
chemical boy
Member
Osiris liked this message ... I guess this is the key.
Red_Driver85
Member
Well, this is not news, it has been known for a long time, but the PC has a large margin of performance, besides the new API's help a little in this and allow to be in a competitive environment. My opinion is that nothing will change globally, the PC will not be left behind, on the contrary, more and more will help to develop gaming territories. Including, with the filing of Microsoft itself.
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Red_Driver85
Member
That's why the only way forward that will improve things is to make sure MSFT will not participate.
I think they understand it and will use other niches, like |Nintendo does.
Competition in console hardware doesn't make games better only worse and longer to develop.
Little Chicken
Member
Anything new in the past few days?
Mista
Banned
Nothing of worth
Fake
Member
And use jaguar cpu for bc.
Rightisright
Banned
Nah. The general public have no idea what a tflops is. Double the tflops would have people scratching their heads not knowing what they are talking about. 2 times the power of Xbox One X, everyone can understand that.
TeamGhobad
Banned
ya double IPC gains are impossible.
TeamGhobad
Banned
Xbox is 12 teraflops solid info
ps5 is either 9.2 or 13 with a supposed last minute redesign.
SgtCaffran
Member
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
DF did that article and video for a good reason. It must align with what they already know, so they knew once that leak happened it was something they could safely run with. DF knows diddly squat. They only get info fed to them from MS. I can’t wait for the reveal and this whole thing will...
Another insider pointing to PS5 having a slight edge over XsX. Looks more and more likely the github info does not show the whole story and leads to misleading statements.
Also mentioned that the Ray tracing technology in the PS5 has an edge.
Likely PS meeting at either the 13th or 20th of February (my take on some rumors).
ANIMAL1975
Member
WTF!???
iz this thng on??
WTF too Vita2 confirmed!!!?
AND 2 spaces! 14.2Edge of tomorrow has 14 letters and two spaces (-2)
12 TF confirmed?
Vita2 confirmed by CBOAT
... or ps5 is retro compat with Vita too
it_wasn't_me
Banned
It's was really unbelievable to see on Twitter what Xbox fans did to him after that tweet. A sight to behold. LOL
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TeamGhobad
Banned
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
DF did that article and video for a good reason. It must align with what they already know, so they knew once that leak happened it was something they could safely run with. DF knows diddly squat. They only get info fed to them from MS. I can’t wait for the reveal and this whole thing will...www.neogaf.com
Another insider pointing to PS5 having a slight edge over XsX.
most likely bullshit. since 56 cus for 12teraflops is already 400mm no way sony would go with something like that.
OR
sony also has 2 systems, with 9.2 being the lower end.
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it_wasn't_me
Banned
iz this thng on??
You? Here? How?
it_wasn't_me
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