As I mentioned before, this is nothing new. This has been done throughout the past 50 years.
The funny thing is that with anti-SJW and non PC we had variety, we had all kinds of characters and narratives. Videogames have been diverse since always, despite what SJW believe.
With SJW we only have one way to do things the "right way", everything outside that way is "problematic".
So if you want variety, you should fight against SJW taking control of the media narrative.
This just isn't true. There's a lot more variety now than ever before.
We have anything from Bayonetta, to Chun-Li, to Ellie, to Ys' Dana, to Nier's 2B, etc
but I also don't want the people clinging to the status-quo to do that either.
There is more of everything because videogames have reached peak cultural level massification. And they have reached peak cultural level because of how non PC they were all this past decades.
That's whySJWauthoritarians have jumped on the bandwagon, the same way they have jumped into nerd culture now that is cool and massive. When you want to do propaganda, take always the bigger fields. Especially if they are so masculine in nature.
Ironically enough,SJWauthoritarians are doing cultural appropriation in hope to further their political agenda and destroy the maleness of both videogames and nerd culture.
Except Ellie, all of them were created by japanese developers.
And that's whySJWauthoritarians hate japanese developers and Japan in general.
Again, there has always been variety in videogames.
Inb4, Shaggy telling me if I know that Dina is based on a mediterranean girl.
Dem problematic titties dissapearing to take away the evil male gaze.
Kat is an exception because she's unique in those abilities, there is no typical staple for a character like her. A soldier? Yes, there's a staple, something to expect. A survivor in a post apocalyptic world? Yes, there's a staple, something to expect. An assassin? Yes, there's a staple, something to expect. A gravity shifter? No. The concept is to indigenous. She could have had any look and it would make sence. The only reason your using such a counter productive example is she's my avatar. If my avatar had been someone more stereotypical what would you have said then?
lol Hey man, when you hold what are traditionally conservative beliefs hidden under the guise of "anti SJW", what exactly do you want me to think? You guys are triggered as fuck by what the devs want to put in their game and your attempts to browbeat them with accusations of SJW conspiracy and "wrong think" isn't going to work. The game will still come out and most likely still be successful.Geki-D, enough with the disingenous BS. You know full well that many of the people here are left leaning folks who are also sick and tired of the SJW/far-left ideological BS that seems to be interjected at every step.
So far variety has steadily continued to increase as a result of SJW efforts, regardless of what they may want.
And for every chun-li there's a Kitana, (or hell, Mileena), or Juliet Starling, or whatever.
Why would I not be aware you know who Diana's character model was based on when you spent half the thread complaining than Diana's tits are smaller than hers. Very mature, by the way.
Said whilst chastising a game dev for putting what they want in a game. Again, zero self awareness detected.Being a SJW is not embracing diversity, quite the contrary, it's embracing authoritarianism, puritanism, censorship and mob mentality.
Said whilst chastising a game dev for putting what they want in a game. Again, zero self awareness detected.
BTW please provide proof for anything you just said.
Proof the game is doing this? From what I've seen Ellie always uses a weapon, unlike Joel and in the gameplay reveal trailer Ellie gets thrown around by a guy -because you know, she's lighter than him- which is something that never happened to Joel.pushing the narrative that men and women aren't biologically different in any meaningful way beyond reproductive organs which is anti-science.
So you disagree with how he's decided to run decisions through his team? Ok? So what exactly? How does this fit into the big, scary SJW conspiracy? Please show me the "authoritarianism, puritanism, censorship and mob mentality" this promotes or in what way this games promotes any of that.When Druckman himself is admitting he needs to check his characters by someone else to be sure they're PC enough it's a red flag, not a big one since they've seemingly only been improving by the game but it's hard to argue they just naturally decided on these things because it's what they most wanted to do.
Proof the game is doing this? From what I've seen Ellie always uses a weapon, unlike Joel and in the gameplay reveal trailer Ellie gets thrown around by a guy -because you know, she's lighter than him- which is something that never happened to Joel.
So you disagree with how he's decided to run decisions through his team? Ok? So what exactly? How does this fit into the big, scary SJW conspiracy? Please show me the "authoritarianism, puritanism, censorship and mob mentality" this promotes or in what way this games promotes any of that.
I guess he could just decide everything himself and then maybe put "A Neil Druckman game" on the box. Because I've never heard anyone complain about devs doing that before...
So is this it? The guy getting feedback is his crime? The maker and his team's active choices are the problem? Well, how do we fix that, then? Tell them what they can and can't put in the game? Remove them from all creative decisions? Fire them? Damn, this is all sounding very authoritarian.
And what's even wrong with more female characters in games? This is a fun one; how do you have an openly gay character in a game without it being considered "SJW propaganda"?
Inb4, Shaggy telling me if I know that Dina is based on a mediterranean girl.
Dem problematic titties dissapearing to take away the evil male gaze.
if you don't think ellie will steal babies and eat them, you haven't been paying attention to the literatureGirls been hitting the elk meat and DMT something fierce
if you don't think ellie will steal babies and eat them, you haven't been paying attention to the literature
I had to replay twice to make sure who in this shot was. I seriously hope there is a backstory to how she managed to get those side delts, traps like Bane and a solid upper back. I don't think its naturally possible for a female to achieve this much muscle density at all. Look at Olympia fitness competitors, even they are not this dense and defined. This is post apocalypse universe . Unless, im missing something, i was absolutely dumbfounded by this design choice.
I mean look at this:
Looks like she has been hitting those chin up bars and dumbbells more than she's been playing guitar.
Edit: Added my 10+ years of grueling workout progress in comparison to Ellie's. I wish i had Ellie's freaky genetics. I clearly should add swinging baseball bats and mashing clickers to my workout regiment.
My questions were more directed at people like the guy I originally quoted. If you don't actually hold those views then you needn't feel concerned. However one thing you are wrong about is that you make it sound like Druckman has a hire especially to question if a character is "PC". Actually it was the lead concept character artist, and Druckman makes it pretty clear he always had final say and only accepted it if it didn't change anything to the plot. Only 2 characters were changed: old person in the mansion and Drake's child. And whilst Drake's child might have implications for any future games (if ND even want to make any more and I get the feeling they're pretty much done with UC at this point), for UC4 these do make no differences.Who argued that there was a problem with a higher quantity of females? I didn't say having an openly gay character is SJW propaganda, though. I spoke to what Druckman has said in interviews about how he handles making his games inclusive. Normally motive or intent is something you can't identify but he made his clear. Let me put it another way to you, let's say I'm rich and decided I want to lose weight and hired a fitness coach to tell me when I shouldn't eat or whatever else, now yes I WANTED that person there to do this but what is their job? Their job is to stop me from doing things I want to do. They wouldn't be required if I naturally wanted to do healthy things.
Again, your entire premise is false. Variety has always been there, it has grow in numbers simply because videogames have grow in numbers, not because of SJW.
You and I have very different memories of what gaming [at least big budget gaming] used to look like.
Ah, yes the infamous "3 console generations of characters over 19 years picture" evidence. You fools love to continue posting that silly little picture as some sort of grand "gotcha", despite it making you look like a bloody fool.
Evidence doesn't loose relevancy by being presented more that once, but by being disproven. You can call someone a fool for using it before, but not taking the chances both then and now to prove it wrong, what does that make you?
It has been proven wrong, multiple times throughout GAF and other sites. But hey, I will just spell it out for you since it is clear you have no interest in doing any actual research and instead defend a random internet picture grabbed from a google search as "truth/evidence".
A picture of 36 characters that had games released over the course of 19 years. That is, on average, 1.89 "white/straight" lead characters per year. Except when a good number of those characters are note white, but ethnic. Oh, then there is also the numerous characters from the same bloody franchise (remakes/reimaginings or otherwise), not lead characters and only a face on a box, co-star, or a supporting character, and custom made characters that can be any number of ethnicity/gender combinations.
Fuckin' hell, Naked Snake (AKA Big Boss) was first shown off in the game Metal Gear back in '87!
So yes, I would call you, Tup, and anyone else that defends this picture is a fool as that is what you are.
You see? That's how it's done. Actually present a counter argument instead just being insulting, derogatory and immature.
Sorry I had to bait you into a better response, but that first response made you look like a tool. I'd like to think we're all smarter than that.
Mate, that has been your entire MO in this thread. You have been continuously insulting, derogatory, and immature in almost every single post of yours. Your every response makes you look like a tool.
The amount of mental gymnastics you must go through to try to spin this around on others is just... it would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
You and I have very different memories of what gaming [at least big budget gaming] used to look like.
Again, your entire premise is false. Variety has always been there, it has grow in numbers simply because videogames have grow in numbers, not because of SJW.
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And for every Kitana (a character created before SJW had any relevance or power), there's an Ellie or a Dina, female characters purposedly made to not be sexy
You and I have very different memories of what gaming [at least big budget gaming] used to look like.
It has been proven wrong, multiple times throughout GAF and other sites. But hey, I will just spell it out for you since it is clear you have no interest in doing any actual research and instead defend a random internet picture grabbed from a google search as "truth/evidence".
A picture of 36 characters that had games released over the course of 19 years. That is, on average, 1.89 "white/straight" lead characters per year. Except when a good number of those characters are not white, but ethnic. Oh, then there is also the numerous characters from the same bloody franchise (remakes/reimaginings or otherwise), not lead characters and only a face on a box, co-star, or a supporting character, and custom made characters that can be any number of ethnicity/gender combinations.
Fuckin' hell, Naked Snake (AKA Big Boss) was first shown off in the game Metal Gear back in '87!
So yes, I would call you, Tup, and anyone else that defends this picture a fool. As that is what you are.
FIFTEEN PAGES FOR THIS?!
FIFTEEN PAGES FOR THIS?!
I've not insulted anyone. I've pointed out what's wrong with bigoted, ridiculous arguments people have made to overblow this whoal issue into some kind of weird SJW conspiracy theory when the truth is there're insecure about having Ellie as she is in the game. If you or anyone else felt but hurt about seeing what was presented as the truth you didn't wanted to believe then that's on yourselves. You wouldn't be this angry if it was just an over the top, obsurd insult, you'd just wave it off. Because of that, I'm gonna walk away from this thread knowing was right.
Have a pleasant day.
FIFTEEN PAGES FOR THIS?!
once again proving the anti-sjws can be every bit as deranged as the sjws themselves. same as it ever was...
developers are free to do as they choose. & so are consumers...
The remaining pages were actually spent dealing with deranged ideologues who couldn’t handle the fact that some people thought the choices made with this game character were weird.
There was also shitposting, and toying with these aforementioned ideologues, though I concede that might have been a bit immature, as they continued to hulk out for four days straight.
Your posts are so cute. Basically this.
Not to burst the bubble on your false equivalency, latter poster, but around five of those were actual discussion. The remaining pages were actually spent dealing with deranged ideologues who couldn’t handle the fact that some people thought the choices made with this game character were weird...
Western devs aren't allowed to make attractive female characters.
i bet you her clit is the size of my pinky,
(ffs don't google it it's a thing)
They sure like manly women these days.
Some want big jaws or big noses (?) too
She´s a freak
okay, i'll bite: 'actual discussion' about what, exactly? how ellie could possibly look like that? okay, let's discuss this, then. some posts from the first 5 pages:
I don’t go to Reset, thread shit, and demand that everyone agree with me, when the latest hive of crazy makes it’s appearance.
Every time I come to check gaming gaf this thread is in the first page, then I make the mistake to enter and see no actual discussion. I love gaf because you can almost always discuss things no matter your opinion, rarely there are bans tilted to an opininlon and shit posters triying to derail a discussion get slapped. This thread is no example of that, care to cite any post of this supossed discussion? I've seen several post through the thread with valid points from differents points of view and they are drown by loud trash posting, I don't think you are helping to correct it with the dismissive actitud. I'm no mod nor do I want to say the mods how to do their job, but there is a lot of "derailing" and "personal attacks" in this thread.oKaY ILL biTe
Right there, I already know everything about you and your beliefs. I swear you people read off a script, which consists of about a single page of dialogue.
True statement
Joke
True statement
True statement
Problem? Even if you disagreed...
Opinion
Bad joke
Opinion
Opinion
Get over yourself. I don’t go to Reset, thread shit, and demand that everyone agree with me, when the latest hive of crazy makes it’s appearance.
Get over yourself. I don’t go to Reset, thread shit, and demand that everyone agree with me, when the latest hive of crazy makes it’s appearance...