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[mavo]

I don't think it gets a pass, is more like people just don't care, far away country with a different culture means people don't feel it close.

Hell Latin america is next to the US, hispanics make 1 in 6 americans, they are a christian area and yet americans dont feel it close.

 

[RipperGrim]

Because like a lot of African countries they don't hold and valuable resources that the makes them important enough to warrant such scrutiny from first world countries. Having said that though, it's not like we don't hear about how fucked up things are there with news of particular brutal gang raped and acid attacks sometimes making headlines and there has been plenty of criticism thrown India's way about the whole child brides thing.


India provides cheap labour so it gets a pass unlike a place like North Korea. They also have nukes but since they aren't declaring war with everyone every few months it doesn't get much attention either.

 

[The Futurist]

First of all, India hardly gets a pass. Anytime something happens in India, people come out of the woodworks and become extremely critical. I've even seen similar incidents in different parts of the world that are glossed over by the international media, yet if something terrible happens in India it's ALWAYS in the spotlight.

You were born in America but your parents are from Hyderabad. I was born in Hyderabad and raised in Canada.

I can tell you without a doubt that your preconceived notions based on a few articles are wrong. Gang rape is a part of the culture? Wtf are you smoking? You've clearly never stepped foot in India or at least not spent a significant amount of time there. Gang rape happens fucking everywhere in the world, it's not something specific to India. Evil people are everywhere. For the most part India is a safe place.

In a country of 1.2 billion people, there are bound to be bad apples. And it's great that whenever something significantly bad happens, the indian media absolutely fucking beats the shit out of it on air for days on end and shows the events that transpired. What does this mean? That these events happen, but they're isolated and rare.

I never said gang rape is a part of the culture. You did. That's your insecurity showing. Not mine. I said it was something that happens far too often.

I have stepped foot in India, many many times, but like I said, as a tourist. My time there was perfectly fine.

How far you're going to defend a nation where these are serious problems means that you are part of the problem.

 

[BattleMonkey]

Mainly because the west doesn't feel any threats from India. All the bad stays contained to their own business and region. So whatever bad they do or is going on stays regional and doesn't bother or get noticed by those in the west.

 

[Noirulus]

Here's a video that shows the great™ western journalism that gangs up on India at every chance they get, yet ignore anything that might make their nations look bad.

But hey, the lives and mental health of Indians shouldn't matter, right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kikqZniU1lw

How far you're going to defend a nation where these are serious problems means that you are part of the problem.

That's some olympic level mental gymnastics.

 

[witchedwiz]

india has already been worth two bans for me.. I'll not bite this bait!
But I'll grab some popcorn and read from the side

 

[JonnyDBrit]

There are many non-western countries that get a "pass" in Western media precisely because they aren't a threat to western interests.

Look at the poster in this thread shitting on India & then talking about Nepal as some sort of better alternative.

While Modi was doing his shit in Gujurat, there was a brutal civil war in Nepal.

Nepal is still recovering from the 2015 earthquake with the vast majority of homes not even being rebuilt.

Marrying children is still a practice there.

However, there isn't going to be much publicity of these problems. Coverage yes, publicity no. There are a wide variety of topics to cover & the ones that are going to get the most attention are the problems most likely to affect viewers or problems that countries like the viewer's country are going to experience.

Yep. Nepal also benefits from the whole 'spiritual nation of the the Himalayas' look - shared with Tibet, though since Tibet isn't independent, a lot of it defaults to Nepal.

Cultural perception is a huge factor, particularly in how long information about a given incident stays in the international news and awareness. So even if the international news picks up on something like Rahim's conviction, it's not gonna bother with keeping up after a while - the BBC hasn't updated on the story since August, even as more local sources are still debating and questioning about it.

 

[The Futurist]

Here's a video that shows the great™ western journalism that gangs up on India at every chance they get, yet ignore anything that might make their nations look bad.

But hey, the lives and mental health of Indians shouldn't matter, right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kikqZniU1lw

Damn. Looks like this thread touched a nerve.

Since you're Mr India, and not the legendary Anil Kapoor, I'll just say this:

The knee jerk defense reaction you are displaying is something I've seen my entire life. Pretty much all my cousins and extended family in India do the same shit that you are doing right now. As soon as someone points at a real problem in India, you start pointing fingers at everyone else.

No place or society is perfect. Bad people exist everywhere, but when it's commonplace and you constantly hear about people being killed in front of their families for eating beef, or a group of men raping a girl on a bus, it needs to be addressed.

Since you're so versed on India, I'm assuming you've been to concerts in India. I haven't been in years, but it used to be next to impossible to be a girl and go to a concert without at some point being molested. Maybe it's better now, but I doubt it.

 

[Kthulhu]

Here's a video that shows the great™ western journalism that gangs up on India at every chance they get, yet ignore anything that might make their nations look bad.

But hey, the lives and mental health of Indians shouldn't matter, right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kikqZniU1lw



That's some olympic level mental gymnastics.

This video jumps through an insane number of logical hoops and cites no statistics.

 

[PillarEN]

Can we be adults about this, please.

I think retardation was meant as in being held backwards not the high school use of the word retard. As in something that retards.

 

[Mikey Jr.]

Unrelated, but I saw this video about how they bathe and drink from the river which is absolutely toxic.

Like, wash themselves and drink from it. And it might as well of been black water, thats how dirty it was. And this wasn't out of necessity, but a religious thing, because the river is holy or something?

And no one gives a fuck.

I'm not sure they even get sick from it. Must have grown some resilience to it or something.

 

[Atom Heart Mother]

doesn't get a pass from me, I've look into India for school and the place seems like it sucks. Don't forget about poo in the streets.

Unrelated, but I saw this video about how they bathe and drink from the river which is absolutely toxic.

Like, wash themselves and drink from it. And it might as well of been black water, thats how dirty it was.

And no one gives a fuck.

I'm not sure they even get sick from it. Must have grown some resilience to it or something.

If you're lucky you'll see a dead body floating down it.

 

[The Futurist]

Unrelated, but I saw this video about how they bathe and drink from the river which is absolutely toxic.

Like, wash themselves and drink from it. And it might as well of been black water, thats how dirty it was.

And no one gives a fuck.

I'm not sure they even get sick from it. Must have grown some resilience to it or something.

Dude, they are literally burning bodies in the river, 25 yards down someone is using it as a bathroom, and another 25 yards down someone is washing their clothes or taking a shower.

No one cares.

Obviously it's not the educated people that are doing that and poverty is the major contributing factor, but no one higher up cares. Just let things keep going how they are going.

 

[Kthulhu]

Unrelated, but I saw this video about how they bathe and drink from the river which is absolutely toxic.

Like, wash themselves and drink from it. And it might as well of been black water, thats how dirty it was. And this wasn't out of necessity, but a religious thing, because the river is holy or something?

And no one gives a fuck.

I'm not sure they even get sick from it. Must have grown some resilience to it or something.

People do get sick from it. Wouldn't be the dumbest thing I've seen someone do in the name of religion.

 

[Noirulus]

Damn. Looks like this thread touched a nerve.

Since you're Mr India, and not the legendary Anil Kapoor, I'll just say this:

The knee jerk defense reaction you are displaying is something I've seen my entire life. Pretty much all my cousins and extended family in India do the same shit that you are doing right now. As soon as someone points at a real problem in India, you start pointing fingers at everyone else.

No place or society is perfect. Bad people exist everywhere, but when it's commonplace and you constantly hear about people being killed in front of their families for eating beef, or a group of men raping a girl on a bus, it needs to be addressed.

Since you're so versed on India, I'm assuming you've been to concerts in India. I haven't been in years, but it used to be next to impossible to be a girl and go to a concert without at some point being molested. Maybe it's better now, but I doubt it.

Great strawman argument, my dude. When did I claim there are no problems in India? There's violence and issues like any other country with more than a billion people (oh shit there's only 2 such countries?), especially when you combine that with a large percentage of the population suffering from poverty.

Your premise was shown to be incorrect ("Why does India get a pass?!?!?!121111") so now you're attacking me on things I never claimed?

 

[JonnyDBrit]

Unrelated, but I saw this video about how they bathe and drink from the river which is absolutely toxic.

Like, wash themselves and drink from it. And it might as well of been black water, thats how dirty it was.

And no one gives a fuck.

I'm not sure they even get sick from it. Must have grown some resilience to it or something.

Most people stuck in terrible conditions will put up in them, especially in a nation where bathing at the river is, in many instances, part of their spiritual culture. Underlying infrastructure still has a long way to go in many parts of the country - when a campaign promise is to make toilets available to every home, that's kind of a sign.

But then, you also get into the divides between urban and rural that, while common in any country, also take on more particular aspects in a nation as large and historically divided outside of foreign rule as India. What people have available to them varies considerably, for better and for worse.

 

[EdwardTeach]

India doesn't get a free pass. Events in India won't always be first page news (in the uk), but things like that girl being raped and murdered in Delhi certainly was.

It is a massive country with a lot of problems, a lot due to the fact it can't cope with the ridiculous overpopulation. India had a fantastic legacy from Britain in terms of education system, transport system and legal system. Unlike many of the African colonies, India also had a substantial highly educated Middle class/upper class population, ready to take on running the country. But if you compare with other post colonial states like Malaysia or Singapore, India has squandered its head start. I think chronic overpopulation has a big role, along with corruption and the caste system. Indians can be more interested in personal status rather than wider society. If you consider the scale of social problems in India there is very little indigenous philanthropy. There are a lot of Indian billionaires now, and they are more likely to live abroad /spend money abroad than try and address any of the problems in India. Sex education +free condoms would be a good start.

 

[nampad]

Do they really? When we read news about lynch mobs or gang rapes, people condone them.
It is just that we don't get many news from india but we also don't from other places (shit happens anywhere).

Also, East Asians have a lot of prejudices against Indians.

 

[kinoki]

The problem I think stems from there being so many different types of India that we lump together as one region. The country itself was once divided in two by the British (Pakistan and India) and with it came a third region that doesn't really belong to either (Kashmir). On top of that you have strong regional politics that are sometimes better enforced than the national.

Just looking at different areas you can see there are some regions with relatively high income that pass for a Eastern European country. Then you have regions that would pass for poor African countries. The wealth of some regions don't get passed around.

Then you have the caste system...

When we judge India it seems like we prefer and choose to see the parts that handle our IT support rather than the ugly parts.

 

[JonnyDBrit]

Do they really? When we read news about lynch mobs or gang rapes, people condone them.
It is just that we don't get many news from india but we also don't from other places (shit happens anywhere).

Also, East Asians have a lot of prejudices against Indians.

To be honest I think a big factor in OP's perception is how much attention given incidents receive, and how long they remain in public awareness. That is to say, while there may be some notice it's not always the biggest headline of the day (which admittedly can be difficult in general in this year), and it may end up not getting many updates soon after. So that may be seen as India 'getting a pass', as opinions return to the default positive for many, compared to nations settling on the default negative.

 

[crimzonflame]

It hardly gets a pass. Everyone here calls it a shithole.

 

[Breads]

Cherrypicked whataboutisms aren't very productive. You are being really dishonest by reducing the situation to driving vs lynching.

 

[Violet_0]

stuff that happens in India is merely underreported in western media, much like other countries that aren't part of North America, Western Europe, Australia, Japan, the Middle East (due to the US involvement, terrorism and refugee crisis in the last couple decades), Russia and China (seen as direct rivals to the US or the West in general). The rest of the world is just not super relevant to the average Westerner, unfortunately. If there is actually news coming out of India, the media is not really holding back

 

[The Futurist]

Cherrypicked whataboutisms aren't very productive. You are being really dishonest by reducing the situation to driving vs lynching.

I wasn't really trying to reduce it to those two things.

My point was that we selectively choose to be upset as a global society about so many things. Pretty much every country in them middle east is vilified, north Korea is vilified, but countries that the west considers allies or non threats are given a pass.

I'm speaking from my own personal experience and family background, but the same stuff applies to many countries in Africa. All sorts of horrendous shit is happening in Africa, but the global community gives even less of a shit because they perceive African nations to have no value whatsoever.

 

[Draxal]

I mean they do and don't.

I think we will call out the especially egregious actions, but since this is an american/western dominated board, the board is focuses on cleaning up american/western issues.

 

[Ishan]

Probably cause India has a lot of influence on the world stage a lot of Indian people spread out through the world are self-delusional about how awesome they are.

Modern-day Indian culture is really shitty, especially when it comes to women. I dunno if it's from gender imbalance or puritanical attitudes run amock, but yeah, shit's fucked.

the fuck is this generalization

 

[4Tran]

I'm speaking from my own personal experience and family background, but the same stuff applies to many countries in Africa. All sorts of horrendous shit is happening in Africa, but the global community gives even less of a shit because they perceive African nations to have no value whatsoever.

Yeah, the most devastating war to take place since World War II is a conflict that most Westerners never even know happened because it took place in Africa. In some ways, this region has it even worse than India. Horrible things happening in Africa are usually just ignored because people just expect horrible things to happen there. And a lot of the time, the whole area is treated as a single entity rather than a massive continent with lots of different countries.

 

[SlimySnake]

Because unlike Pakistan and other arab states, they are trying to get better. the rape scandals a few years ago brought about change in both attitudes and laws. they didnt just sweep it under the rug and pretty much the entire country came out to protest against their rapey tendencies and the laws that help shield these creeps.

Pakistan still has blasphemy laws so when a pregnant christian woman gets beaten to death by a mob, the tv anchors are outraged but the masses dont go out to protest and ask for real reforms. they love to protest american mistakes but when it comes to looking themselves in the mirror, they stay home and privately disagree.

And the western press and public notices that. If they see that a third world country is trying to improve, they are not going to shit on it. Indians also dont go out and kill western civilians where as pakistan has been harboring terrorists for a good few decades now. Arab states produce terrorists faster than Pakistan.

And this is probably a bit of a tangent, but Indians are also very patriotic from what ive seen. they truly believe their country is constantly improving and they are very laser focused on improving their quality of life. They are very capitalist in nature which is probably why they pretty much ignore the 300 million poor people when boasting about their country's progress. They are kind of like Americans in that sense. If they are a middle class or upper middle class, these problems dont affect them.

Whereas Pakistanis only pretend to be patriotic when it comes to shitting on other countries. They take little to no pride in their country. everyone i know says they love pakistan but they all got up the fuck out of there the first chance they got. they got their extended families out of there as soon as they could. like 80% of pakistanis want to leave pakistan. Arabs are pretty content tolerating fundamental muslims. i have never seen a single protest over Saudi Arabia's treatment of women from any arab or south asian country.

So if these countries are refusing to evolve and improve and join the rest of us of the world in the 21st century, they will continue to get criticized until they get with the program like India did.

 

[Breads]

I wasn't really trying to reduce it to those two things.

My point was that we selectively choose to be upset as a global society about so many things. Pretty much every country in them middle east is vilified, north Korea is vilified, but countries that the west considers allies or non threats are given a pass.

I'm speaking from my own personal experience and family background, but the same stuff applies to many countries in Africa. All sorts of horrendous shit is happening in Africa, but the global community gives even less of a shit because they perceive African nations to have no value whatsoever.

I don't disagree with anything you said in this post. However you do your thesis a disservice by punctuating the op with this.

You know what? Say whatever the fuck you want about the middle east, or how they treat women, but until the day when gang rapes, lynching over eating beef, or videos of murder are commonplace in arab/muslim countries, I think I'll take the driving restrictions.

 

[parmanu]

Modi is the biggest indictment against Indians, imo. The man lead mobs that killed tens of thousands of innocent people, and a hundred thousand rapes. The mans the indian Hitler.

Modi lead mobs that killed tens of thousands of innocent people and a hundred thousand rapes? Indian hitler? Unfortunately for you, in today's internet connected world such blatant propaganda/lies can easily be called out.

On the contrary, he is extremely popular in India. Latest polls show that he and his government enjoy trust of vast majority of people in India. If polls were to be held today, he will easily come to power again.

 

[Ishan]

Full disclaimer, my parents are from Hyderabad, but I was born in America.

My whole life I've seen India as this distant place that my ancestors came from. I know about it as much as most Indians that were born in America know.

I've visited family over the years, but it has always been as a tourist.

My question is why India and Indian society get a pass for so many absolute extreme and barbaric things that are almost inconceivable?

We point fingers at middle eastern countries like Saudi Arabia because they don't let women drive, Iran because they don't let women go to soccer games, or North Korea for brainwashing an entire population, but for whatever reason no one really says anything about India.

Why?

People there get lynched by mobs because the mob thinks they've eaten beef. A mob will literally break into a person's house and kill them in front of their family because they think they ate beef.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/07/india-modi-beef-lynching-muslim-partition/533739/

This isn't some one in a while thing. It happens far too regularly for the world to ignore.

The same goes for rape. Can you imagine a country where gang rape is some normal part of society?

Where a rape is reported every 15 minutes?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-40404102?intlink_from_url=http://www.bbc.com/news/topics/a4741524-eaa1-451a-b5d1-98028e965367/rape-in-india&link_location=live-reporting-story

I could post a ton of links, but you can use google.

If anyone is wondering why this thought came to my mind, I'll tell you. This past weekend, I was at a dinner party and my uncle said someone sent him a video from back home of an attack on a woman. This wasn't something he was happy sharing and I honestly wasn't paying attention but he leaned over and showed me his phone. I thought it was some news clip of a security camera. It wasn't. It was a man in the mob filming the attack.

I watched maybe 5 seconds of it and I don't think I've ever felt anger like that in my life. It was a group of 15-20 men that had completely surrounded a woman. They were pulling her hair and beating her. I stopped watching. My uncle said at the end they poured gasoline on her and lit on fire. I don't know, I didn't watch.

You know what? Say whatever the fuck you want about the middle east, or how they treat women, but until the day when gang rapes, lynching over eating beef, or videos of murder are commonplace in arab/muslim countries, I think I'll take the driving restrictions.

I saw 5 seconds of that kind of violence against a single human being and it fucked me up this badly.

so as some have pointed out one its an issue of huge population and india is extremely hetrogenous . There is no one culture so clashes happen often.

And one of the biggest of this is religion based. I will address the male female divide later .

We've long had issues on this and every indian apart from idiotic ones will acknowledge that this has been a problem. Its just that the "hindu nationalists" are even more empowered ever since modi came into power. Kinda like how the white supremecists are more out in the open since trump.

It has always existed in india tho. Now we get to answering your question in more detail on why and how India gets a pass. So essentially the indian constitution has many inbuilt protections for religious minorities. And some parties support minorities much more (obviously there is some voter bank politics also going on ) But on paper India is supposed to support minorities. A lot of the majority hindu population is okay with that but a lot of it isnt also.


So it keeps swinging back and forth. But given the size of the country and its relative newness (india is 70 years old and is tryign to balance its large diverese and contentious past) . However it still has a largely free independant press. Corruption is ever present but our judiciary is kinda independent . Our elections are mostly free and fair. You get where I'm going with this? The country is not without flaws but is doing a much better job that many others in similar circumstances. And given the siize and demographics of india its really has no actual peer. India is what happens when you have say tensionsn like in charlottville but not as effective law enforcement to back up the law and order. So the hate group just runs rampant at times. There are sucky ppl world wide you throw in 1/7 of the world population split along all sorts of divides into a confined space differences will crop up and there will be bad seeds. And without very effective proper police control you see things like you described.


The male female divide is real. The vast majority of india is a highly patriachal society and womens rights are abused. If you leave out certain strate of society (some urbane parts of india and even there dependant on income/education) women in general are treated worse than men. Now this gang rape culture is rubbish. Yes there are rapists here and way more than in developed countries because law and order isnt enforced as much women are much more scared to press charges etc but india doesnt have a gang rape culture etc. Courts have tried to fight this like on rape chrages the onus is more on the accused to prove innocence than the victim to prove she was raped but this has remained an issue due to the extreme partiarchal bent of most indian society. Note this is not necessarily true in south india (parts of south india actually have a matriarchal society and so this issue doesnt apply to them)

Overall its a country with problems but its making do better than others. And as some have pointed out I'm sure the fact thats its GDP and military size is also a factor. Technically we should all be up in arms about china censoring of media but you dont see protests about that all the time either . So I'm sure similarly India's flaws get brushed aside. Plus India in a sense on paper represents what the richest nations want. A democratic country with a free press and independant judiciary. Such a country inspite of its flaws being one of the largests GDPs and military powers including nuclear obviously allows it to be respected inspite of its flaws .

 

[BuddyTheBestPuppy]

These things take time, India is only 70 years old. I am Indian as well, I used to live in a small town in the outskirts of Delhi back in the mid 1990's. Things were pleasant back then, small town, small population, minimal to no crime. My mom used to work for the navy and she used to the bus to and from work, no one harassed her or said anything to her. I went to a private school and it was safe as well. Everyone respected girls etc.

I think things got bad one Delhi started developing due to the high GDP and all the migrants moved there for the money/jobs. I went back in 2010 and yea things were bad. Over population, way too many people, men ogling at my sister as if they had never seen a girl before.

I think certain states are better than others. The government needs to improve the policing system/infrastructure. As more and more people get educated and as the policing improves, I think things should get better.

 

[parmanu]

I'm glad my grandad chose to leave that dumpster fire. Cheers pops

India gets a massive pass, if it were Muslim majority it'd be up there on the hit list.

The intolerance of minorities and treatment of women is disgusting.

If it were muslim majority then it would be catastrophic, there would be no minorites left to speak of (just look at the dramatic reduction in number of minorities in Pakistan and Bangladesh over years). India-China would be seeing regular military clashes along border, Xinjiang would be burning.

Poeple don't realise how huge India is, 1.3 billion people with diverse ethnicities, castes, backgrounds, languages, cultures, religions, mindsets, customs. Though a large population has come out of poverty over the years, huge population still live in pathetic conditions. Despite all of this it has been relatively peaceful and a democracy (except couple years in 70s) since independance. It is not easy to govern it.

 

[The Albatross]

I don't think that India always gets a pass, it's just not as relevant in Western media. I mean, you rarely see major stories from distant countries until there is some easy to play narrative in the West. The biggest story about India in the last couple years in American media was India's decision to drop the largest forms of currency practically overnight. It's an easy story for the West to understand and so it gets a lot of play in western media, not just news media, but also popular media like podcasts. I don't think that India gets a pass anymore than, say, African or South East Asian democracies do. The Philippines would have 'gotten a pass' in Western media up until Duterte was elected, most people wouldn't have known anything about Philippine politics or what the major issues in the Philippines were, but the Duterte story was easily digestible by the West and it also played into a common narrative in Western media -- a shift in democracies towards nationalistic, right-leaning, bombastic leaders. It was an easy narrative to play so it was picked up.

I do, however, notice something sort of unique amongst most of the Indian people that I know... which is a lot because my division at work is made up predominantly of Indian ex-pats. During the work week, I talk to a lot more Indian people throughout the day than I do any other nationality, even more so than Americans, and now I'm "work friends" with a sizable amount of Indian people. What I've noticed, versus other nationalities like say Turks, Albanians, or Greeks (which, similarly, I have a lot of Turkish, Albanian, and Green friends/aquaintances), is how reticent most of my Indian friends/colleagues are to talk about Indian politics or things at home, versus how my Turkish or Greek friends are. During the Greek financial collapse 4 or 5 years ago, most of my Greek friends were talking about it. During Erdogans rise to power and the (potentially staged) coup last year, all of my Turkish friends were talking about it. Likewise for my coworkers in the British isles, when we had calls with them or remote meetings, the Scottish referendum and Brexit were major topics they mentioned and we talked about. Yet, with my Indian colleagues/friends, aside from the monetary policy change, none of them ever talk about politics or diplomatic issues from home... The monetary policy was something unique that we all talked about, but otherwise, I've never heard anybody espouse any feelings about Modi, the government, or anything else, which is different from Turkish and Greek expats who regularly talk about how useless the Greek government was or how Erdogan is a thug.

Question for Indian gaffers or Indian expats living in Europe/US, do you think that this is a cultural thing? Like, maybe it's considered bad manners to talk about politics? Is there a general disinterest in Indian domestic issues for ex-pats living outside of India? My colleagues and I will joke about cultural differences, but it's usually about surface level things like marriage (many of us have gotten married over the last 2 or 3 years, so we've inevitably compared Indian marriage to American marriage), but insofar as none of my colleagues have ever mentioned politics -- other than the monetary policy change -- it's something I'd never feel comfortable bringing up, but I am curious about it.

 

[Cromat]

A lot of it is just branding, honestly. India is associated with spiritualism, Gandhi's peaceful protest, hard-working people. This mental image blocks the negativity from gaining too much traction. It's the same for Brazil - people think of carnivals, soccer and dancing, not endemic violence and corruption.

 

[Greatest Ever]

I've always said this; there are simply too many cultures, religions, dialects, terrains, etc for a country that is already so divided for one government to run. I don't have a solution but it's a huge pot of cultures tossed into a peninsula that's produced very mixed results.

 

[mr2xxx]

We need some Indian terrorist attacks on American soil before the right wing propaganda machine directs it's attention to it's new boogeyman.

 

[Widdle Puppy]

India doesn't get a pass. It just isn't reported on by western media and their audiences don't care. The country has it's problems like many other developing countries.

 

[nampad]

To be honest I think a big factor in OP's perception is how much attention given incidents receive, and how long they remain in public awareness. That is to say, while there may be some notice it's not always the biggest headline of the day (which admittedly can be difficult in general in this year), and it may end up not getting many updates soon after. So that may be seen as India 'getting a pass', as opinions return to the default positive for many, compared to nations settling on the default negative.

I think it is more that people are used to news like this from India (except the beef eater lynching maybe).
Sadly, hearing about some gang rape in India is just as "newsworthy" as some terror attack in Irak/Syria where only locals get hit.

It's nothing new to people in the west and people in the west aren't harmed in any way. That's why they don't care.

If it would be a rape of a western woman, the outrage would linger much longer.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Because they aren't an "enemy state" in the eyes of the western public. If they were, they *would* get negative attention for that.

 

[Iksenpets]

I think it's easier to get upset at countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran where oppressive measures are a matter of official government policy, versus India where the government fails to control the worst elements of mob behavior. But as the mob and the government come closer and closer together through Hindu nationalist politics, I could see India coming under increasing scrutiny.

 

[family_guy]

Because most people look at India through the eyes of a tourist.

 

[N3DS]

This

The two main reasons are that India is a democracy and that it is seen as the counterbalance to a rising China. It's a blind spot in the West to be extremely generous to countries that are seen as democracies, and so India is thought of as "known" and "safe" without much thought given to it. China is often portrayed as a vaguely malevolent power so a lot of things about that country, border disputes, pollution, corruption, etc. are heavily scrutinized. India is the "good" counterpart to China and is often spoken of as being similar in development. Since it's one of the good guys, negative stories are less sexy to report on so we hear about it less often.


The pass is less that the stories are completely ignored but that they're not given much attention. The general public is going to know very little about India as a result.

And this.

Strategic military location which is also a "democracy".

 

[DarkLordMalik]

Because unlike Pakistan and other arab states, they are trying to get better. the rape scandals a few years ago brought about change in both attitudes and laws. they didnt just sweep it under the rug and pretty much the entire country came out to protest against their rapey tendencies and the laws that help shield these creeps.

Pakistan still has blasphemy laws so when a pregnant christian woman gets beaten to death by a mob, the tv anchors are outraged but the masses dont go out to protest and ask for real reforms. they love to protest american mistakes but when it comes to looking themselves in the mirror, they stay home and privately disagree.

And the western press and public notices that. If they see that a third world country is trying to improve, they are not going to shit on it. Indians also dont go out and kill western civilians where as pakistan has been harboring terrorists for a good few decades now. Arab states produce terrorists faster than Pakistan.

And this is probably a bit of a tangent, but Indians are also very patriotic from what ive seen. they truly believe their country is constantly improving and they are very laser focused on improving their quality of life. They are very capitalist in nature which is probably why they pretty much ignore the 300 million poor people when boasting about their country's progress. They are kind of like Americans in that sense. If they are a middle class or upper middle class, these problems dont affect them.

Whereas Pakistanis only pretend to be patriotic when it comes to shitting on other countries. They take little to no pride in their country. everyone i know says they love pakistan but they all got up the fuck out of there the first chance they got. they got their extended families out of there as soon as they could. like 80% of pakistanis want to leave pakistan. Arabs are pretty content tolerating fundamental muslims. i have never seen a single protest over Saudi Arabia's treatment of women from any arab or south asian country.

So if these countries are refusing to evolve and improve and join the rest of us of the world in the 21st century, they will continue to get criticized until they get with the program like India did.

The OP didn't even bring Pakistan in his discussion yet you decided to write all this just to shit on it? You couldn't have made this comparison and just wrote what you thought of India but instead you decided write it like a typical Indian that blames their problem on neighbors. Looks like you have something personal against Pakistan.

 

[Buba Big Guns]

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Probably one of the main reasons India's massive corruption and lack of human rights gets over looked- whataboutism

 

[Haly]

Indian doesn't get a pass. That said, as an economic bloc it doesn't have the global presence of Russia or China (even though it should, I'm not clear as to the reason why they're not projecting as much influence) so it also gets less backlash in the media for its faults.

 

[bwakh]

Because unlike Pakistan and other arab states, they are trying to get better. the rape scandals a few years ago brought about change in both attitudes and laws. they didnt just sweep it under the rug and pretty much the entire country came out to protest against their rapey tendencies and the laws that help shield these creeps.

Pakistan still has blasphemy laws so when a pregnant christian woman gets beaten to death by a mob, the tv anchors are outraged but the masses dont go out to protest and ask for real reforms. they love to protest american mistakes but when it comes to looking themselves in the mirror, they stay home and privately disagree.

And the western press and public notices that. If they see that a third world country is trying to improve, they are not going to shit on it. Indians also dont go out and kill western civilians where as pakistan has been harboring terrorists for a good few decades now. Arab states produce terrorists faster than Pakistan.

And this is probably a bit of a tangent, but Indians are also very patriotic from what ive seen. they truly believe their country is constantly improving and they are very laser focused on improving their quality of life. They are very capitalist in nature which is probably why they pretty much ignore the 300 million poor people when boasting about their country's progress. They are kind of like Americans in that sense. If they are a middle class or upper middle class, these problems dont affect them.

Whereas Pakistanis only pretend to be patriotic when it comes to shitting on other countries. They take little to no pride in their country. everyone i know says they love pakistan but they all got up the fuck out of there the first chance they got. they got their extended families out of there as soon as they could. like 80% of pakistanis want to leave pakistan. Arabs are pretty content tolerating fundamental muslims. i have never seen a single protest over Saudi Arabia's treatment of women from any arab or south asian country.

So if these countries are refusing to evolve and improve and join the rest of us of the world in the 21st century, they will continue to get criticized until they get with the program like India did.

 

[Switch Back 9]

I've always said this; there are simply too many cultures, religions, dialects, terrains, etc for a country that is already so divided for one government to run. I don't have a solution but it's a huge pot of cultures tossed into a peninsula that's produced very mixed results.

England splitting in half certainly didn't help.

 

[VeeP]

Because unlike Pakistan and other arab states, they are trying to get better. the rape scandals a few years ago brought about change in both attitudes and laws. they didnt just sweep it under the rug and pretty much the entire country came out to protest against their rapey tendencies and the laws that help shield these creeps.

Pakistan still has blasphemy laws so when a pregnant christian woman gets beaten to death by a mob, the tv anchors are outraged but the masses dont go out to protest and ask for real reforms. they love to protest american mistakes but when it comes to looking themselves in the mirror, they stay home and privately disagree.

And the western press and public notices that. If they see that a third world country is trying to improve, they are not going to shit on it. Indians also dont go out and kill western civilians where as pakistan has been harboring terrorists for a good few decades now. Arab states produce terrorists faster than Pakistan.

And this is probably a bit of a tangent, but Indians are also very patriotic from what ive seen. they truly believe their country is constantly improving and they are very laser focused on improving their quality of life. They are very capitalist in nature which is probably why they pretty much ignore the 300 million poor people when boasting about their country's progress. They are kind of like Americans in that sense. If they are a middle class or upper middle class, these problems dont affect them.

Whereas Pakistanis only pretend to be patriotic when it comes to shitting on other countries. They take little to no pride in their country. everyone i know says they love pakistan but they all got up the fuck out of there the first chance they got. they got their extended families out of there as soon as they could. like 80% of pakistanis want to leave pakistan. Arabs are pretty content tolerating fundamental muslims. i have never seen a single protest over Saudi Arabia's treatment of women from any arab or south asian country.

So if these countries are refusing to evolve and improve and join the rest of us of the world in the 21st century, they will continue to get criticized until they get with the program like India did.

 

[JJMorris]

Because you are comparing two nations with spectrums of people, a lot of people, 1.7 billion people, into binary points of comparison.

And India doesn't get a pass. Women are advised to not visit India solo, or without three or more people, nearly unanimously.