darkwing-buck
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United Airlines violently drags a doctor off a plane so employee could take his seat
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FinaruDensetsu
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Daaaaamn.
I've only ever been on Asian airlines like JAL, ANA, Singapore and Eva. The only American one I've been on is Hawaiian. This sounds ridiculous.
Having lived here in the States for about 25 years now, I see it as kind of indicative of the American service industry in general. People don't do shit for you here unless they get a tip, and even though tips here are basically a given, you usually still get shit service. When they don't get a tip or a tip they deem sufficient, you're liable to get dirty looks or treated impolitely as you head out. Head over to Asia where tipping isn't even a concept, and yet the service is so much better.
Audioboxer
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The OP is an amalgamation of articles. There's a link to thesun as well. Did you see how sparse it is? But fair enough.
MugiwaraCole
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This comparison stinks. He had a right to be there.
What the hell is wrong with y'all?
CherryWoodFuton
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BlastProcessing
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No. That's a terrible analogy. The service you payed McDonalds for was the burger. The service this man payed for was a flight to Louisville.
The analogy would be if you bought a burger from Mcdonald's and an employee joggeed to you in the parking lot and said that there had been a mistake and they were out of beef and they needed to take your burger away from you to feed an employee.
And then when you refused they busted your face open, gave you a concussion and took your burger.
This was criminal assault.
Also,
DONT OVERSELL YOUR FUCKING FLIGHTS.
And if you do, be prepared to pony up some money. Real money. Not credit on your airline that expires. Cash. You fucked up, pay me.
I don't understand why in 2017 it is acceptable for an airline (or hotel) to sell more tickets than they have seats. Standby is fine, but bumping someone with a confirmed seat from the plane is totally and completely unacceptable.
Entire itineraries are booked based on flights. 500 dollars and a free ticket the next day isn't going to do it for me if I need to be at work the next day or have an important meeting at 8AM in the location I'm flying to.
DONT OVERSELL YOUR FUCKING FLIGHTS.
And if you do, be prepared to pony up some money. Real money. Not credit on your airline that expires. Cash. You fucked up, pay me.
I don't understand why in 2017 it is acceptable for an airline (or hotel) to sell more tickets than they have seats. Standby is fine, but bumping someone with a confirmed seat from the plane is totally and completely unacceptable.
Entire itineraries are booked based on flights. 500 dollars and a free ticket the next day isn't going to do it for me if I need to be at work the next day or have an important meeting at 8AM in the location I'm flying to.
CNN finally has their article up (front page too)
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/10/travel/passenger-removed-united-flight-trnd/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/10/travel/passenger-removed-united-flight-trnd/index.html
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Comical.
ColdDeckEd
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I truly hope that one day when you choose to take United for an important trip that your job or career depends on that you get picked to give up your seat. I'm sure you wouldn't be mad and refuse. I'm sure you'll be thinking "shucks just my luck, better get off the plane.".
shira
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Seems like it was just published on CNN
No, this is more like going to McDonalds, sitting down to have your Big Mac then being asked to throw it all away and leave because an employee is hungry. You try to take another bite because you paid for the damn burger and are brutalised for doing so.
Oh, and the Big Mac costs hundreds of dollars.
The food analogies from the UA apologists in this thread are terrible.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
Member
Also, I guess because some people in here have to be reminded: assault is something that is also illegal for police officers. They are also people subject to our same laws.
Yep. If these fucks have to oversell to stay profitable they deserve to go out of business.
Is like, your whole schtick just being insufferably pedantic in order to bludgeon people into accepting your argument?
Most US carriers are fine. It's the old guard that are shitty.
Delta is the only of the massive carriers that seems to give a shit. They have problems, but like when flights are delayed they order pizza for the plane. They automatically rebooked my entire itinerary for me because of a weather delay to make sure I would get through to my final destination without missing a connection. Most of their staff are really, really friendly. Probably having their main hubs (and employees) be from Atlanta and Minneapolis/St, Paul is a big reason why they are so nice.
The smaller US carriers (Virgin, Alaska, Southwest, Frontier, Jet Blue) are generally pretty nice. Though, Jet Blue and Southwest are getting worse.
United and American are the cobbled together remains of all of the worst airlines that have ever existed in the US and they seem to be staffed exclusively by the most miserable humans in the country.
Matrix XII
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Wow, they were always a terrible airline. Doesn't surprise me at all.
This really doesn't do anything to answer my question. Clearly the airline fucked up and this was unnecessary, but in the end law enforcement was called in the end and removed someone from private property.
From my understanding of the story, this did happen as more and more law enforcement showed up until the third one where he was forcefully removed.
TangoAlphaLima
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Jesus.
skimmed the last few pages and didn't see it posted, but it looks like theres another video of the man sometime after the incident: https://twitter.com/kaylyn_davis/status/851471574385307648
ah, guess it was
ah, guess it was
Erm....why was everyone on the doctor's side then? Doesn't add up.
to be fair this particular one didn't start from a UA apologist, but from my grim extrapolation of capitalism's disregard for human rights
BlastProcessing
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It's godamned depressing that you have to type that out for some people.
opticalmace
Member
I have an $8000 annual travel budget.... I'm going to make sure none of that ever goes to United.
cpp_is_king
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This is nuts, if nobody volunteers you keep raising the incentive. It's not the customers fault they stupidly overbooked the flight. If they had gone up to $1500 cash incentive I guarantee you someone would have volunteered.
I hope this guy gets millions from them.
The ironic thing is this is not even a week after the dress code scandal.
Fuck United, not flying with these losers ever again. May they be forever Uber'ed
I hope this guy gets millions from them.
The ironic thing is this is not even a week after the dress code scandal.
Fuck United, not flying with these losers ever again. May they be forever Uber'ed
Next time they will describe a shooting victim as moving on the way of the bullet.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Police statements often read benign like this, because they're not hyper-emotional infotainment like all our other sources. They're still investigating. They also make great cover, usually.
Yup, even more, and rightfully so. Though I'd take a few million dollars to be dragged off plane.
He "fell".
We're really still doing this?
bloodydrake
Cool Smoke Luke
yes..i was joking ..seriously people never heard of tongue and cheek before?
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
Continental was a great airline. When United bought them, instead of letting Continental policies and procedures raise them up, they cut down everything that was good. United is crap.
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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This went to my mind as well. USA is fucking scary. Basically a police state since 2001.
Because people have the empathy to realise that becoming angry at a bullshit practice doesn't deserve the violence he was met with.
jungomitis
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Not that anyone has the responsibility to. But how do people feel about there seemingly being no other passenger willing to help the guy? The videos show people screaming but their butt's attached to their seat
guybrushfreeman
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I'm not really sure what you're asking? It should never have come to that. The end. Full stop.
There should never been a situation in which a person was removed by force because a plane was oversold
Jag
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Bumping a paying customer so you can transport your own employees makes this even more egregious. My company is so customer focused, that I get infuriated when I hear how poorly some companies treat their customers. I hope they suffer for this corporate philosophy.
Audioboxer
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As I said should still never reach that. The worst case scenario here should have been a continued stalemate for an hour+ if that's what it was going to take. Airline chose to go down this route so as I also said up to them to pay penalties and fees for late departure.
Whilst the stalemate was going on the staff should just have kept repeating to passengers until 4 people leave by volunteering or us choosing the plane is not taking off.
FinaruDensetsu
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Er... you can't yell because you're getting unfairly kicked off the plane? Did it say that he assaulted anyone?
Also you believe in everything the police tells you? In 2017, seriously? You know how often they try to cover their ass. Go look up what's currently happening with the LAPD and their treatment of prisoners in jail and all the cops getting long sentences. Go look up the statements police make every time a black person gets killed
Did you see the man yelling in the video prior to being dragged out by the police?
Did you see any passengers say anything like this despite many giving statements to the news?
I think you're saying you don't believe it, but just to make sure. I'm sure others will actually believe it.
Suzushiiro
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Your analogy doesn't quite work because in that case the person is actively and deliberately doing something against the rules, namely that you shouldn't stay past closing time. This would be more like if they ordered a burger, and then the store tried to take the burger away from them because it was the last one and they had other people who ordered burgers too, and the guy they wanted to give it to was one of the employees who wanted to eat it for their lunch break.
The fact that the customer did nothing wrong other than be unlucky enough to get picked on to suffer for the company's fuck-up changes the morality of the enforcement/resistance.
TangoAlphaLima
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"Oversold" is bullshit. I have never heard of a flight being oversold, passengers allowed to board, then a random lottery to determine which passengers would be removed from the flight.
If it was oversold, the last passengers to arrive wouldn't be allowed on, they wouldn't physically remove passengers already seated.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I don't know if this is a bystander effect. It seems more like "Americans have made plane trips into security theater with insane tension, and no one wants to fuck up and be taken away."
j_k_redtail
Member
Should've just increased the offer until someone was willing to step off. That is what the market demands, is it not? And I guarantee you that's less costly than the settlement.
guybrushfreeman
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What? Why would anyone think you were joking?
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