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Digital Foundry: Xbox Scorpio
- Thread starter LelouchZero
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Liabe Brave
Member
Yes, lower load times across the board should definitely happen, the same as with PS4 Pro.
For sure, way too many juniors. 👀
Outrun
Member
therealbigrich
Member
reading the posts ive seen it is really hard to gauge what the Scorpio is . One one side its just a ps4 pro plus and from that you would think it should only be 400 max a year later. On the other side the CPU is custom with next age cooling with other features that should push the price to 600. Thought the reveal would help with figuring out the price lmao
statham
Member
wut? how did you get any of that from my half sentence? but yes last poll showed 6x more Sony fans then xbox fans on GAF. It doesn't even out. It should be 2 to 1 not 6 to 1.
GarthVaderUK
Banned
Sorry, someone else on here said the HEVC codec supported that.
Edit - actually it's in Eurogamer's article too:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-project-scorpio-tech-revealed
Four_Chamber
Member
The comparison to the 1070, I agree, is very impressive. DF has been very reliable throughout the last few years- I'm shocked why people are hating on them because of the massive hype that has been generated by their positive review. Not surprised by that reaction of course.
Lmao...your guilty conscience is speaking...
I made a simple statement about people having claimed DF have been pro Sony this gen...you came rushing in to trying to make some sly comment about there being 2 people on the entire internet that have made this claim...a simple Google search of "digital foundry Sony bias" gave me the game faqs discussion, and a few posts above mine was a poster right here saying Eurogamer has been biased towards Sony for over a decade!...
I guess that means there are a total of 4 people now right?...
Your comment about GAF and the fan ratios tells me all I need to know about you lolll
BladeoftheImmortal
Member
I don't buy 700 dollar smart phones.SuperÑ;233468701 said:
Scorpio is beast
Well done.
wesleyshark
Banned
This is good
Jaguar Victory
Member
Did I miss the /s?
statham
Member
you win.
Brad Grenz
Member
*You're
DF may have been impressed, but mostly because they have a poor underlying knowledge of GPU hardware. Anyone can google "command processor" and "execute indirect" and find information about Xbox One games from years ago being made using technology supposedly only just added to the Scorpio. The fact that Leadbetter failed to do so is just an indictment on his journalistic acumen.
The nice thing is we will know for sure before Scorpio goes on sale what is real and what is not. I'm optimistic based on DF, so I'll be riding the hype wave until it crashes back to reality.
Beerman462
Member
Obliterator
Member
I don't think enough people get this post.
It's really well done
Yeah it's why I'm not posting much right now. It's rough. Give it another day or two and people will get bored and move on and there will be better convo in here.
LlamaJohnson
Member
Day 1. Can't wait. And everyone questioning DF/EG....shame on you. As it has been pointed out numerous times, Sony did the same thing with the Pro. Get over yourselves. But then I guess these are the same people who say things like "Where are the exclusives for Scorpio?" and are upset that they didn't reveal the name/price/gameplay today after being told over and over again that it wasn't going to happen.
I know nothing about PC gaming...does anything revealed today make the porting of PC games to Xbox easier? I know that I won't be able to play DOTA or anything, but could Microsoft make some deals with other studios and just simply port the game over? I have no idea what I'm talking about.
I know nothing about PC gaming...does anything revealed today make the porting of PC games to Xbox easier? I know that I won't be able to play DOTA or anything, but could Microsoft make some deals with other studios and just simply port the game over? I have no idea what I'm talking about.
breadtruck
Member
Im relieved its not a "next-gen" system like so many were claiming it had to be. Im not ready for the future yet, haha
So far it sounds good to me though. Hopefully the price is right.
So far it sounds good to me though. Hopefully the price is right.
GarthVaderUK
Banned
I'm assuming that was Cerny?
I didn't know fellate is a word...
TheGreyHulk
Member
I was waiting for that too. Lol.
I think DF did a great job with the reveal. I dont get why people get upset over all the nonsense that ensues in the "comments section".
I expect DF to be impartial, as usual, when actual games are out on scorpio.
Obliterator
Member
And for the first time this entire generation Xbox is going to consistently come on top with essentially every face off.
Given the reactions in this and other threads that's probably going to be very difficult for certain people to take
I can't imagine they would launch at that again. 399 should be the obvious target. There are gonna be 300 dollar PS pros and 200 dollar Xbox One S' by the time it comes out. Unless I missed something it doesn't have anything like an SSD or anything that would jack up the costs that significantly.
Mono driver and DX12 SDK is software. The improvements made to the command processor is hardware. Completely different.
You seem to omit that DF was actually shown an example of the capabilities of the console in Forza 6 in 4K 60FPS. its not just words.
Keep fighting the good fight though.
True, I doubt they will be offering bundles for it initially but we will see. I'm just not optimistic for the system at a 499 price tag.
Wait... people are mad that a high end gaming console exists ? and they're madder still that it's better than a PS4 pro ? despite having almost a year now knowing that it would be faster and better ?
... and these same people are blaming DF for confirming via an MS invitation to redmond that Scorpio is indeed a real console running at least 1 real game engine ?
I guess since I'm not 14 anymore I ... don't know what the big deal is ? If you don't want one don't buy one. If you can't afford one... don't buy one. If you want a PS4 pro instead.... go buy it, enjoy it !
Personally, I have to applaud the Phil Harrison turnaround the xbox division has had since the spring of 2014. During the dastardly don mattrick era we got served many smelly turds - Kinect, the original vision for XB1, Kinect 2.0, TVTVTVTV. But, clearly the PS4's success has humbled these guys - they did everything I felt needed to be done to win back their core audience. Dropping Kinect, lowering the price, lowering the price again, giving hit games away with the console, redesigning the whole thing to be a far better looking device and now with scorpio - sitting atop the "best hardware" throne once again. I mean, I suppose by 2011/12 the PS3 pushed to it's limits ever so slightly exceeded what the 360 could do but ... that was 6-7 years into last gens games.
I think it will restore a bit of balance and good old fashioned grit to the industry to have the xbox be a powerful bit of competition again this fall. Force sony to be more aggressive over the next 2-3 years as they build up the inevitable PS5.
... and these same people are blaming DF for confirming via an MS invitation to redmond that Scorpio is indeed a real console running at least 1 real game engine ?
I guess since I'm not 14 anymore I ... don't know what the big deal is ? If you don't want one don't buy one. If you can't afford one... don't buy one. If you want a PS4 pro instead.... go buy it, enjoy it !
Personally, I have to applaud the Phil Harrison turnaround the xbox division has had since the spring of 2014. During the dastardly don mattrick era we got served many smelly turds - Kinect, the original vision for XB1, Kinect 2.0, TVTVTVTV. But, clearly the PS4's success has humbled these guys - they did everything I felt needed to be done to win back their core audience. Dropping Kinect, lowering the price, lowering the price again, giving hit games away with the console, redesigning the whole thing to be a far better looking device and now with scorpio - sitting atop the "best hardware" throne once again. I mean, I suppose by 2011/12 the PS3 pushed to it's limits ever so slightly exceeded what the 360 could do but ... that was 6-7 years into last gens games.
I think it will restore a bit of balance and good old fashioned grit to the industry to have the xbox be a powerful bit of competition again this fall. Force sony to be more aggressive over the next 2-3 years as they build up the inevitable PS5.
TheSpecialOne
Banned
Look, it's clearly the most powerful console released to date and one would be an idiot to dispute that fact. Unfortunately, what we've seen following the pr coverage by df is a gross overestimation of the consoles capabilities. Leading up to the release of the PS4 pro, many were foolishly suggesting that it could get up to GTX 1070 levels and in this thread, we have people trying to compare an rx480 to a gtx 1080. There is a 4 teraflop difference between the cards, architectural difference aside so it's rather embarrassing. It also poor form from an "objective" tech site to encourage such misguided fantasies. Honestly, it's baffling. This concept of a console punching above it's weight is factually incorrect. A 6tf card can only reach 6tf. There is no physics defying magic going on here.
I hope they have costumized Scorpio's GPU for Zero Down's engine so it runs at 4K 60fps like in your dreams 😂Seriously, LOL
It doesn't matter what is stronger at this point people. Just enjoy what you want to play on and let others have theirs. Scorpio will be a fucking beast. Don't feel too bad for us future Scorpio owners. We will be just fine.
Obliterator
Member
Yeah it was Cerny during the PS4 reveal.
Using sweet sounding buzz words to drum up hype for hardware is something ubiquitous to pretty much all consoles
Are you sure you're not just projecting your own emotions?
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Sony does have the catchier buzzwords, full stop.
Liabe Brave
Member
The Xbox One didn't have that, but whether it did or not probably wouldn't deter Microsoft pitching it like it was new. After all, they lied about tech during the 360 era, they were misleading at Xbox One launch, and right now they refer to Scorpio's vapor cooling as "a first for home consoles" when it really isn't. I don't much trust their strict veracity (or your faith in it). For another possible example, try this quote:
Wow, going from hundreds of thousands of instructions to just 11! Amazing, right?Digital Foundry said:
Except that's not what's being said. The total number of instructions for all draw calls is 4 to 6 figures, whereas 11 instructions is for a single draw call with the new GPU design. How many instructions does a single draw call take without the redesign? I don't know, but I bet it wouldn't sound nearly as impressive as that neat elision from 100 grand to double digits. (Though evidently even that gap wasn't astonishing enough for the marketing team, since they throw in state change needs for no apparent reason other than it's a single-digit number.)
Now this is not a quote of a Microsoft employee, but those numbers clearly come straight from them. Still, you may want to blame Mr. Leadbetter for the confusion (though from precedent I think Microsoft conveying the info to him with very careful wording, to maximize impact, is more likely).
Outrun
Member
Yeah,
In my case, I have 4 X1 controllers, 1 of which an Elite, and a Kinect.
I would gladly take a barebones unit for a discount.
Probably?
The usual suspects are already all in their feelings.
In other words, he is Microsoft's tool.
Brad Grenz
Member
Except if you read carefully what was actually said about the command processor, it wasn't that they improved the hardware they only "moved DX12" to it. That's a software solution. One that has existed for some time on Xbox One and PC. (PS3/PS4 low level APIs basically never had this issue).
And how exactly do you think they were able to discern the effect of an enhanced command processor had in a running game? You can't point to a part of the screen and say, "oh, that's the command processor enhancing that". It's a totally nonsense argument.
We are all civilly discussing the validity of the details reported. Your post, however, adds nothing to the discussion.
wesleyshark
Banned
Are there more DF articles dropping tomorrow, or was that all of their coverage?
Beerman462
Member
What is this post?