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Rumor: Ghost in the Shell producers ran VFX tests to make white actors appear Asian
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veloxStrix
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pet peeve (noun) : something that a particular person finds especially annoying.
So what is your pet peeve? The lack of human rights in the third world economies? Female slave trading? Police brutality? It must be nice to think such large issues are a mere annoyance.
Do you want to argue about my post or simply show everyone how good you are at pissing in the air while you clap loudly for yourself?
Defenders of this bullshit? I am not defending anything, I am explaining my interpretation of the realities of the situation to people who seem to have unrealistic expectations of how things happen.
I didn't say you should care about it. I don't care about it, and I don't think you should either. But don't expect things to change, not with movies like GITS.
SuperStiltzkin
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I bet you all my money more people heard of Ghost in the Shell than John Carter.
UnemployedVillain
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And John Carter? Battleship? I like how you conveniently ignore half my post because it screws your argument.
Okay, so riddle me this. GITS is a "small" enough movie that it needs a white star to prop it up, yet it has a large enough budget that they can't risk not having a white star. Interesting how in every situation, it seems they have no choice but to cast someone white. Funny how that always seems to be the case
I got banned for making this argument in one of the now infamous blackface threads, so tread lightly.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Fuck this movie, it's a disgrace. Not worth my money.
Cloud Atlas sucked and was an hour too long.
Taylor Kitsch also got to star in the $220 million Battleship.Yup because Terminator Salvation ($200,000,000) and Avatar ($425,000,000) were low budget.
The same with John Carter ($275,000,000)
No matter how many times you guys try and make this argument, you're ALWAYS wrong and it ALWAYS looks bad
This motherfucker is going to be set in Japan isnt it.
The idea though that they would even think of or attempting to change Scarlet's appearance is so fucking ludicrous, she was hired because she is Scarlet fucking Johansonn, the marketing potential makes no sense if you warp the appearance of your highly bankable actress.
The idea though that they would even think of or attempting to change Scarlet's appearance is so fucking ludicrous, she was hired because she is Scarlet fucking Johansonn, the marketing potential makes no sense if you warp the appearance of your highly bankable actress.
Discotheque
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Lmaoooo this killed me
I'm not conveniently ignoring your argument sir I have like 6 people quoting my posts and I'm trying to respond to everyone.
I didn't say GITS is a small movie. I said it's an unfamiliar name. And I didn't say it needs a white star, I said it needs a big star. You're putting a lot of words in my mouth.
Please, my aunt was a producer at Paramount, so I am well aware of the stupid-ass justification for racist casting policies. Not only is it a stupid excuse but it's a self-fulfilling prophecy; they keep saying that there are just no non-white actors who will draw audiences, so they never give them roles, so there are never any non-white actors who could ever get to the point where they are well-known enough to become less risky.
Cloud Atlas sucked and so has every movie the Wachoskis have made since the first Matrix.
Which ironically is probably the best western Ghost in the Shell adaptation.
In the other thread I also suggested they should have just taken the story and re-branded it like Edge of Tomorrow or The Departed, but then I realized The Matrix probably already did a better job, at least in terms of adapting the visuals.
Edit: And fuck you, I liked Speed Racer.
uncredited male
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This seems a little out there on the believability scale. This is an industry that isn't exaclty shy about having white actors play established non-white roles.
WrenchNinja
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This is semantics.
I'm not saying their isn't a problem. I'm just saying expecting things to change is unrealistic. Being shocked and appalled when things haven't changed is silly.
This is also an industry that is finally becoming aware of the fact that white people aren't the only ones with disposable income and aren't shy about letting them know that they won't keep supporting their whitewashing bullshit.
I have no idea where you're seeing me shocked by any of this.
you sweet summer child.
kunonabi
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it isn't justified at all since traces of your physical appearance shouldn't be tied to your soul as it moves from one body to the next. The fact that the makeup looked as bad it did made the whole thing comical and didn't do the film's message and themes any favors.
I would never claim that a lead actor being of a specific race is a requirement for a movie to do well. I'm not that cynical. To me those two things are not the same thing.
BronsonLee
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It was done that way so you could follow the characters throughout time.
UnemployedVillain
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Ask the Wachoskis, or the people who made John Wayne look like Gengis Khan, or Mickey Rooney look Asian, or Ben Kingsley Gandhi
Symbols and recognizable traits would've done the job too. Something eccentric like a obsession with a certain colour or a certain food taste that is emphasized.
LOL... Show me how an asian should look like in an anime.
Zoe
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So your argument is that they should have cast 50-60 actors to fill all roles and leave them with no way for the viewing audience to know how each incarnation was connected?
Right. The film wouldn't have worked if it had different actors across its timelines and settings.
BronsonLee
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They would've had to cast 4 times the people they had to do what you're talking about though
Yeah that shit was hard enough already, imagine if they weren't the same actors
Razgriz-Specter
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As I said my first thought when reading that response was The Laughing Man disguised that way instead of:
I don't think i'd like that honestly.
UnemployedVillain
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CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls
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He's the least bankable white male actor aside from Rob Schneider and Pauly Shore.
Yellowflashdude
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And the director is rupert sanders. This looking more and more like the next dragon ball evolution disaster waiting to happen.
Lil'DigiOp
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Its kind of sick....
And the excuse is that it wouldn't resonate with white audiences... I don't get it.
White audiences can't relate to not shit if a minority has the starring role. But productions with white leads are the universal appeal amongst all minority groups?
The Elite
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I don't understand the Rupert Sanders hate. He directed one film.
If he had a track record of shit I would be concerned. That doesn't exist.
teruterubozu
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I want to see them follow through with this direction. Just for the pure tastelessness of it all.
bobbychalkers
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Zach Effron will play a guy named Shotaro Kaneda and you will like it!This is sounding more and more like "American Akira" every day.
I wasn't....saying those movies weren't low-budget? Like, mate...what? When talking to the previous poster, I was mentioning the lack of relevancy in his counter-argument when mentioning unknown actors getting leading roles in low-budget movies. Also, I already specifically referenced Avatar as something anomaly. Please read my posts more carefully next time before replying to them.
Avatar shouldn't be used as an example to use when you're trying to assess the average output of Hollywood studios because of how ENTIRELY UNCOMMON that particular production was, most especially in relation to how those movies are usually produced. Much like with Titanic, James Cameron was allowed by the executives an entirely unprecedented amount of freedom whilst making that movie in comparison to other directors of his calibre. To even put that money behind an idea that wasn't driven by a prior IP, to any normal studio, would have been incredibly objectionable. Yet because of Cameron's significant influence, he was allowed to call the shots, one of those shots leading to an unknown actor getting to play the lead. And a lead we basically haven't heard from again.
Terminator: Salavation is a ridiculous example, most especially as it's... 1) Another entry in a long-standing film franchise which this Ghost In The Shell adaptation certainly is not and B) That film co-stared Christian Bale as the co-lead, having recently emerged from spectacular box-office success The Dark Knight, the previous year.
Oh dear.
Battleship, an infamous box-office flop.
Next Taylor Kitsch film? John Carter, one of the biggest box office bombs of the decade.
And now Taylor Kitsch, for all intents and purposes, has disappeared off the face of the earth.
Like, what?
(Cringe)
Mate, listen...let me try to clue you in here. No-one's making "an argument" for the people working on Ghost In The Shell to essentially white-wash the main character. It's not a good thing, and I'm sure I speak for most people here when I say audiences for the most part would find it infinitely more refreshing (and infinitely more appropriate) to see an unknown Asian actress take on the role instead.
The Hollywood Star System is a very real, proven thing.. When it comes to big-budget projects that require millions upon millions of dollars to get up and running, movie executives will always prefer the insurance of having an A-list star to put on the poster, actors who have already developed a reputation for actively attracting audiences to theatres. Mentioning a couple of vague examples of movies that subverted the norm doesn't change that.
At the end of the day, the film industry is exactly that...an industry. And I can assure you, the executives in charge of financing this movie are much more interested in making money on this project than they in making a totally faithful Ghost In The Shell Adaptation. That's not an argument, that's a fact. It's how the movie industry works. Will it work that way for ever? I sincerely hope not. But for now, that's just the way it is.
In other words...
It's the only way to know for sure they're Asian apparently
Some people REALLY believe this stuff
https://twitter.com/Uptomyknees/status/721026224466714624
SuperStiltzkin
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Much like the arguments in the other Scarjo thread. You make the mistake in thinking that the people who are upset don't understand how the industry works or that you gotta make money. We KNOW how it works. We KNOW it's a business.
But I'll say it again, just because a practice is EXPECTED does not mean it should be ACCEPTED. You don't change a business if the fucking complaints box is empty.
Cause it's an awful post. Plus, read the OP:
Trying to diminish the issue when in fact Paramount Pictures themselves already confirmed that they did do such tests is awful.
It's apparently less costly and risky to photoshop ScarJo into an asian girl than it is to hire an asian actress?
Like hire a well known chinese actress or something for the overseas prospect, no one will be more interested in the movie because ScarJo is playing in the live action adaption of a palme d'or movie anyway.
Like hire a well known chinese actress or something for the overseas prospect, no one will be more interested in the movie because ScarJo is playing in the live action adaption of a palme d'or movie anyway.
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