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Batman v. Superman RT Thread: like standing ovations in rain

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They could start Justice League with Christian Bale waking up from a horrible dream, only to find Catwoman in bed next to him, dead. Time to spring back into action.
 

Shaanyboi

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Batman v. Superman [OT] Not as real as Occupy
 

JTripper

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The thing about MoS is that it hurts, it makes you hate the character you're supposed to root for

MoS Superman has no heart, he's apathetic to everything around him, we see no reaction of him at the end realizing that Metropolis is in ruins, he never tries to save civilians at all, in fact the only people saving civilians in the movie are civilians

And what it hurts the most is that we've actually seen a great Superman on movies recently, only without his powers, we've seen him in the MCU and his name is Steve Rogers

Cap has a heart in Marvel movies, he's the one the audience is rooting for, he's the boy scout, the one that can inspire people to do their best, the one that will try to save everyone even if he can't and this is what's lacking in MoS

The moment he let Pa Kent die is the moment MoS lost the audience, now he's no longer the character the audience roots for since you've striped the heart out of the character and audience can no longer root for him

Even in the worst superhero movies this doesn't happen, even in the worst of the worst, you can still somewhat root for them, you want the character to win because come on, he's the hero and you still feel he's the hero, MoS doesn't understand what a hero is, loses the audiences in the way and they can't root for him and it never tries to recover from this which is why I can totally understand why you would put Superman III or Batman and Robin above this

Goddamn, this is so fucking true it hurts. I don't necessarily "hate" the character of MoS but I'm supposed to love Superman in his own movie, and MoS made such little effort to make me love that character.
 
Man the charm in this gif alone is better than anything in MoS and likely BvS as well. No one will ever be Superman like Reeve.

The thing is, Cavill is being super-charming...

...on the press tour.

They're not letting him do any of that in the movies. They're not letting him get near that.
 

Omadahl

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I really don't know what people were expecting. Did anyone actually think it was going to review well? The second I saw that clip of Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor I knew this was going to flop. The review on RogerEbert.com calls hims a, "smarmy, psychotic, tech-douche version of Lex Luthor." Nailed it.
 
So I've been watching a bunch of Batman stuff lately, mainly the Burton and Nolan films, and I stumbled upon my blu ray of Gotham Knight that came with the Arkham City CE. You guys like Gotham Knight or Nah?

On topic: I'm partial to the Tumbler myself, but am also fond of the Burton and TAS Batmobiles too.

Oh, and keep up the Nolan/Bale begging. You're doing Gods work. BRING THEM BACK
 

watershed

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Rouths version was a good dollar store imitation

Which I'd take over the blank husk that we got in man of Steel

Besides the many problems with the Superman Returns itself (I enjoyed a lot of it), Routh was good but only at being an imitation. Even though I was pretty young at the time, I got the clear sense that he wasn't portraying Superman but rather doing his best to imitate Reeve's Superman. Seeing actors pretend to be other actors doesn't work very often imo. It's like watching Anthony Hopkins pretend to be Alfred Hitchcock, it just doesn't work.
 

Shaanyboi

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So I've been watching a bunch of Batman stuff lately, mainly the Burton and Nolan films, and I stumbled upon my blu ray of Gotham Knight that came with the Arkham City CE. You guys like Gotham Knight or Nah?

On topic: I'm partial to the Tumbler myself, but am also fond of the Burton and TAS Batmobiles too.

Oh, and keep up the Nolan/Bale begging. You're doing Gods work. BRING THEM BACK
There are acouple okay individual pieces. The one set in India is insta-trash for Jason Marsden's god-fucking-awful "white dude imitates what he thinks brown people sound like" accent.

There are far better direct-to-video animated Batman films.
 
The thing is, Cavill is being super-charming...

...on the press tour.

They're not letting him do any of that in the movies. They're not letting him get near that.
I saw Man From UNCLE recently and goddamn if this isn't the truth. That wasn't a particularly great movie, but Cavill is so much more likable in it that it's almost disgusting. His Superman performance is someone (probably multiple someones) idea of how he should be acting.
 

Chichikov

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I'm sure this review was already posted, but my god it's so goddamn incredible. Exceptional writing. I yearn for this kind of work in the video game space. Kill Screen tries to do similar stuff, sometimes well too, but this is lovely.
http://www.filmfreakcentral.net/ffc/2016/03/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice.html
Japan and the US are the only country who suffered massive attacks on their civilians?
Like what?
And even when talking strictly about cinema, post WWII European films dealt with those issues quite a lot, and at least in my opinion, waaaaaaaaaaay better than Japanese cinema (or post 9/11 American cinema, though I don't see as a whole lot of parallels between the two).
I'm not sure I'm seeing this post 9/11 rise of nihilism either, did he already forgot the 80s? I mean sheeeeit RoboCop is way more nihilist than anything Zack Snyder or Christopher Nolan can dream of.
And even if you we go by simplistic shallow nihilism, stuff like Fight Club have done it and done it on the fucking nose before the world trade center collapsed.

Yeah, Zack Snyder uses 9/11 imagery, I think he does mostly because it's an easy way to evoke fear, I don't like to call on the writer as someone who read too much into these things because I don't think you can really do that (also I generally love over-analyze that stuff) but I can't say his analysis really resonate with me, even though it's really well written.

I'm also not sure he really remembers Cassandra's story all that well, but that's a minor point.
 

Nibiru

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Besides the many problems with the Superman Returns itself (I enjoyed a lot of it), Routh was good but only at being an imitation. Even though I was pretty young at the time, I got the clear sense that he wasn't portraying Superman but rather doing his best to imitate Reeve's Superman. Seeing actors pretend to be other actors doesn't work very often imo. It's like watching Anthony Hopkins pretend to be Alfred Hitchcock, it just doesn't work.

The main problem with Superman Returns was the plot and the script. Had those things been good Routh would have made a a good run at it imo.
 

G-Fex

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Many of us came to this conclusion last night when we found out Space Jam is at 36%

huh.

I never saw it I know everyone likes it though.

Screw RT

AND TMNT 1 is at 40? and TMNT2 in the early 30's?!?? Fuck Rotten Tomatoes, it's straight trash
 

watershed

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The main problem with Superman Returns was the plot and the script. Had those things been good Routh would have made a a good run at it imo.

I also had problems with that suit as well. I didn't realize until I watched the making of documentary that Routh actually bulked up a lot for that role but none of that comes across because the suit is strangely, intentionally slimming. Routh is tall and long and that would have worked well with his bulk for portraying Superman, but the suit hid all that away.
 
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