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[TheLostBigBoss]

Polling shows far more unity in the democratic party in this election cycle than 2008 with Clinton vs. Obama.

I'm not worried that the internet has given the voice of a few a way to seem larger than they are.

 

[spekkeh]

Well that guy who says Bernie and Trump agree on healthcare sounds like a complete fucking idiot so there's that.

Yeah because taking insurance away from 30 million people and gift wrapping Medicaid to private industry is totally the same as wanting single payer healthcare. Fucking Christ.

My apologies.

I made a huge mistake etc.

I had this link open and thought OP was linking to it:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/03/secret-donald-trump-voters-speak-out

 

[ampere]

Remember guys

IT'S A TWO PARTY SYSTEM, YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR ONE OF US!
GO AHEAD, THROW YOUR VOTE AWAY!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAT_BuJAI70

People who switch from Bernie to Trump are just working within the confines of the system that Hillary supporters think entitles them to every Bernie vote.

You've made this identical post multiple times. What's your point? It's in an individual's best interest to move to the candidate most similar to their views if their preferred candidate loses. If Bernie is your most preferred candidate and you migrate to Trump, it wasn't actually about Bernie's political positions and thus is kind of a weird voting choice to begin with.

 

[Odrion]

There's probably a larger portion of rat feces in my cereal than the portion of Guardian readers who'll go from Bernie to Trump.

 

[sk3]

I still think taking Trump at face value is your mistake.

I believe most of Trump's positions are lies and he has ramped up his rhetoric to appeal to a republican party that has gone off the rails. Once elected, he would slide back to where he was which is slightly left of center. He's destroying the republican party from within and they can't stop him.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Remember guys

IT'S A TWO PARTY SYSTEM, YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR ONE OF US!
GO AHEAD, THROW YOUR VOTE AWAY!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAT_BuJAI70

People who switch from Bernie to Trump are just working within the confines of the system that Hillary supporters think entitles them to every Bernie vote.

Two party system is fine for a democracy designed like the US which has a major branch of government having only one person (one party) rule over it. This idea that the two party system is designed to suppress you is fucking silly considering the huge gap of ideology between the left and right.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

If I lived in a swing state, I'd put a gas mask on, hold my nose, and vote for Hillary (then go take a bath and scrub away the filth). But I don't, I live in Georgia. So if Sanders doesn't win the nomination i'll probably write him in or just put down my mainstay write-in Sasha Grey.

 

[LegendofLex]

Anyone who would honestly vote for Trump over Clinton is doing so from a position of entitlement and privilege.

You never cared about the progressive movement.

You never cared about minorities.

You never cared about women's rights.

You were never concerned with the right-wing's shift to more authoritarian and openly racist vitriol.

You never cared about Bernie's proposals for a more democratic society

You never cared about the Supreme Court

You never cared about Citizen's United being struck down

You never cared about the rigged political system.

You only cared about yourself. Period. What YOU could get out of those proposals, not what it could benefit society as a whole.

Fuck anyone who has this mentality, and I can only conclude you have implicit biases against minorities if you would openly vote for a guy who's blatantly inciting fascist rhetoric.

I'd throw in anyone who simply won't vote if Sanders doesn't get the nomination in addition to people who would vote for Trump over Clinton.

 

[ShemhazaiX]

Hillary and Bernie agree on 93% of issues. Why cut off the nose to spite the face?

Probably has something to do with Hilary being willing to sacrifice her first born if it meant she'd get the nomination.

 

[BeforeU]

This worries me now.

 

[Melkezadek]

It's like they exist in a world where you go from defending the Republic, to slaughtering young-lings. It's too much of a leap in logic to even take these people seriously and I've been running into them a lot lately.

Can't wrap my head around it.

 

[NullPointer]

You've made this identical post multiple times. What's your point? It's in an individual's best interest to move to the candidate most similar to their views if their preferred candidate loses. If Bernie is your most preferred candidate and you migrate to Trump, it wasn't actually about Bernie's political positions and thus is kind of a weird voting choice to begin with.

Unless they weren't engaged to begin with and were hoping for a Bernie-effect or a Trump-effect more than any particular policy issue. These voters want disruption.

I don't know why people are upset though, its not like they were in Hillary's camp or generic Republican X camp to begin with. Every election has single issue voters and voters who only get interested because of non-policy reasons.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

You've made this identical post multiple times. What's your point? It's in an individual's best interest to move to the candidate most similar to their views if their preferred candidate loses. If Bernie is your most preferred candidate and you migrate to Trump, it wasn't actually about Bernie's political positions and thus is kind of a weird voting choice to begin with.

Someone else already made the point that many voters are single-issue voters. If your single issue is trade or free-trade agreements and protecting American jobs, that's something that Bernie and Trump are actually close to each other on and Hillary is miles away.

There's a reason why so much union membership is peeling away from Hillary to Trump, it's because no one who's a Democrat or Republican has even pretended to care about the unions or American jobs for decades. Even if Trump is just paying lip service to protecting American jobs, that's more than either major party has done since Jimmy Carter.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

Right now, Hillary is the enemy.

People are persuadable. I think people will shift their tone.
Bernie will support Hillary and his candidates will largely, too.

 

[Real Hero]

Polling shows far more unity in the democratic party in this election cycle than 2008 with Clinton vs. Obama.

I'm not worried that the internet has given the voice of a few a way to seem larger than they are.

It has, plus a sub set of Hilllary supporters have tried to play up the 'Bernie Bro' aspect in a bad attempt to make Hillary seem better. It's not a huge concern most of Sanders supporters will vote for her

 

[The Lamonster]

Excuse me while I perform the world's most exaggerated facepalm...

It's like they exist in a world where you go from defending the Republic, to slaughtering young-lings.

ahaha this is perfect

 

[Drifters]

#anyonebuthilary

It's happening.

 

[Odrion]

Seriously, no one else is going to acknowledge the actual tiny number and the way it was obtained? No?

Am I not making sense here? Can anyone see this? Am I dead? Is this what death is like? Am I ghost posting?

 

[TyrantII]

Either way Hillary should be trying to win these people over somehow rather than coasting

That's a waste of time on a negligible minority.

Hillary or Bernie will have vastly more infrequent voting Democrats that may stay home cause of a litany of issues (work, family, lazy, forgot ).

Time is better spent getting them to see turning out as imperative. There's 10 times as many as these "Bernie Bros" that don't seem to even understand Bernie himself.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

500 out of 700.

Given the sample size is it finally safe to say that majority of Sander supporters are just anti-establishment for the sake of anti-establishment? I keep hearing how it's always a vocal minority, but 5 out of 7 people don't seem like a minority anymore.

 

[Odrion]

500 out of 700.

Given the sample size is it finally safe to say that majority of Sander supporters are just anti-establishment for the sake of anti-establishment? I keep hearing how it's always a vocal minority, but 5 out of 7 people don't seem like a minority anymore.

No, 700 replied to the call out. As in Guardian said "WHO IS GOING TO GO FROM BERNIE TO TRUMP?" and out of the 700 that bothered to send an e-mail or whatever 500 had a bone to pick and 200 took time out of their lives to say "fuck no".

 

[Real Hero]

That's a waste of time on a negligible minority.

Hillary or Bernie will have vastly more infrequent voting Democrats that may stay home cause of a litany of issues (work, family, lazy, forgot ).

Time is better spent getting them to see turning out as imperative. There's 10 times as many as these "Bernie Bros" that don't seem to even understand Bernie himself.

You are probably right, the major benefit would probably only be image wise.

 

[SolidSnakex]

I remember reading that 50 percent of Clinton supporters would not support Obama in 08.

There difference now is that with the rise of social media it's very easy to organize groups to do something. Whether it be through a hashtag on Twitter are a Facebook group. Both existed back then, but things have evolved a lot for both. I believe that Trump rally in Chicago in part was shutdown because people were able to organize on social media. I think some people are really underestimating how much some dislike Hillary. Moreover, people thinking that this is just about a bunch guys are kidding themselves. Just look at the reaction on social media when Bikini Kill took down that Hillary video that used Rebel Girl and endorsed Bernie. The overwhelming majority of people commented on that were women who were excited about them distancing themselves from Hillary.

 

[lednerg]

They're not helping the cause, whoever these people are. I mean I get it it, but Jesus Christ, go with Jill Stein or something. Anyway, I don't pay these characters much mind, and I'm sure they'll be easily swayed to Hillary when Bernie reminds them what's at stake. Same shit was going on in 2008, btw, and it resulted in nothing.

Any Bernie supporter who says they won't vote Hillary in the general have one thing in common.

Sexism.

That is the ONLY reason to not vote Hillary if Bernie isn't the nominee. They may not want to admit it but it's the truth and everyone else knows it.

I'd vote for Warren over Bernie, so nope. Also, I suggested these folks vote Jill Stein above.

 

[TyrantII]

But how? My co-opting the positions that Bernie Sanders has that attracts these voters? Because every time I see her do that, I see some small portion that recoil away from her with increased vitriol.

If some have already decided that eveything she says to court their votes is deception, what could possibly be said to convince them to vote for her?

How dare a (representative) politician see what their future constituents want and push their issues and agenda!

It's sickening!

 

[psynergylover]

Anyone who would honestly vote for Trump over Clinton is doing so from a position of entitlement and privilege.

You never cared about the progressive movement.

You never cared about minorities.

You never cared about women's rights.

You were never concerned with the right-wing's shift to more authoritarian and openly racist vitriol.

You never cared about Bernie's proposals for a more democratic society

You never cared about the Supreme Court

You never cared about Citizen's United being struck down

You never cared about the rigged political system.

You only cared about yourself. Period. What YOU could get out of those proposals, not what it could benefit society as a whole.

Fuck anyone who has this mentality, and I can only conclude you have implicit biases against minorities if you would openly vote for a guy who's blatantly inciting fascist rhetoric.

PREACH!!!

or is is just a salty ass mofo

 

[JABEE]

Any Bernie supporter who says they won't vote Hillary in the general have one thing in common.

Sexism.

That is the ONLY reason to not vote Hillary if Bernie isn't the nominee. They may not want to admit it but it's the truth and everyone else knows it.

I will not vote for Trump or Clinton. I will abstain.

 

[teruterubozu]

These people are not actually progressives. They are the same sort of people who voted for Ron Paul in college.

Yup. I know a few conservatives who are going for Bernie just cuz they like weed.

 

[soul creator]

Any Bernie supporter who says they won't vote Hillary in the general have one thing in common.

Sexism.

That is the ONLY reason to not vote Hillary if Bernie isn't the nominee. They may not want to admit it but it's the truth and everyone else knows it.

but what if I vote for Jill Stein

 

[lastflowers]

I'm not angry. You're being confrontational for no reason. I am pointing out what these voters feel. They are being marginalized and your post proves it. Everybody is illogical because they don't agree with your views. Instead you decide to take your ball and go home rather than finding the root cause of this anger.

This right here is an example of why the establishment can't figure out this election. The anti-establishment has been brewing for quite some time and they are a bloc. Whether the establishment agrees with it or not.

It doesn't have to make sense for the establishment to confront it. However, as your post demonstrates, taunting and demeaning someone and acting they don't exist won't make this bloc go away.

Quite funny to see it play out over and over again with even more ramped up rhetoric.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Fuck no what gives you that idea.

I am saying there are reasons to not like Hillary besides sexism.

Hell Trump winning and being a closer race than people think would probably force my hand to vote Hillary even though I don't like her.

Ah, gotcha.

 

[InsaneZero]

Seriously, no one else is going to acknowledge the actual tiny number and the way it was obtained? No?

Am I not making sense here? Can anyone see this? Am I dead? Is this what death is like? Am I ghost posting?

Most people in this thread seem to be aware that this data is purely anecdotal, so talking about how meaningful this data set is is nowhere near as interesting as the implications this data set provide about the responders themselves.

 

[Cagey]

Polling shows far more unity in the democratic party in this election cycle than 2008 with Clinton vs. Obama.

I'm not worried that the internet has given the voice of a few a way to seem larger than they are.

No matter how loud portions of the internet may seem, the volume is coming from a small amount of people and others have highly sensitive hearing to the outcry of that stupidity, so the perspective gets lost.

It has, plus a sub set of Hilllary supporters have tried to play up the 'Bernie Bro' aspect in a bad attempt to make Hillary seem better. It's not a huge concern most of Sanders supporters will vote for her

As the Democrat primary has played out and reached a likely mathematical inevitability, the dog whistling and code speak ("Bernie supporter? Young white male, political equivalent of a Call of Duty dudebro. Likely racist.") has started to wane. But in the Iowa-New Hampshire portion of the primary season, when things were less certain, that bullshit was in every thread repeated many times.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Two party system is fine for a democracy designed like the US which has a major branch of government having only one person (one party) rule over it. This idea that the two party system is designed to suppress you is fucking silly considering the huge gap of ideology between the left and right.

You're delusional if you think there's a huge gap of ideology between the left and right on ALL issues. On primarily social issues, the left and right are clearly defined in the US. Nobody is arguing about that.

But on economic issues, the left and right are exactly the same these days which is why Democratic President Obama is working with mainstream Republicans to pass the TPP. The primary base of "anti-establishment" votes are the ones tired of both the Democrats and Republicans being controlled by the corporations who are selling the country out in the name of globalization and free trade and further enriching the 1% along the way.

Starting with Bill Clinton and his "Third Way", the Democrats have basically become the same as the Republicans on the economy. It was Clinton who signed NAFTA, after all. Obama presided over the largest expansion of the federal budget deficit and the largest growth of income inequality since the Great Depression. Obama enshrined the Bush tax cuts permanently into law.

To even pretend the left and right are different on the economy these days is lunacy. And these are the voters who don't want to be anywhere near Hillary, and if they are forced to switch from Bernie to Trump to further their own interests then that's their voter's right as an American citizen.

 

[NullPointer]

I think some people are really underestimating how much some dislike Hillary.

And I don't know why they are. Any Democrat knows she has baggage and has been demonized from the get-go. Any Republican knows her name, and not in a good way. She also lost a lot of love with harder core liberals with her campaign in 2008.

She's a very strong candidate, but she's got serious negatives too.

 

[Abstrusity]

I'll hold my nose and vote for Hillary Clinton, but I'd avidly support Elizabeth Warren. It's the ideas, not the gender/sex/race. If it were, I would've voted Romney over Obama -- although I was considering voting McCain pre-Palin.

The fact of the matter is, to a lot of people, Hillary is a more-of-the-same candidate with a hawkish streak and Wall street in pocket. Meanwhile, price inflation makes things seem to cost more while currency inflation continually nickel and dimes at wages, and nothing's changed for the better for a lot of people. The ACA didn't do much for them because they are primarily employed with insurance plans available to them, for instance.

What has Obama accomplished to make their lives better, and why hasn't the DNC backed them up? Instead, we saw multiple cases across the country of people distancing themselves from his policies, and losing. Badly.

Now the House and Senate are under Republican control, at least until November, which is why it's paramount we get ANY Democrat in there. I'd vote for a tattered cardboard-soled boot over Trump.

 

[Odrion]

Most people in this thread seem to be aware that this data is purely anecdotal, so talking about how meaningful this data set is is nowhere near as interesting as the implications this data set provide about the responders themselves.

I only seen one other person pointing out the data, there's a lot more people that said something along the lines of "JUST AS I FEARED" than people rationalizing the numbers.

 

[noshten]

People are usually missing the actual problem, which are poor white folk. Those are the people Hillary needs to worry about in GE against Trump.

 

[TyrantII]

Sure I guess if you don't care about foreign policy at all. They have clear differences on healthcare. Different on drugs. Different on guns.

Its ignorant to claim they are exactly the same.

I'll say this again, the Dem platform is pretty much agreed on at this point.

The differences are mostly differences in timelines and tactics.

Compare that to the chasm that is the policy differences from the growing progressive Democrats and the GOP.

Its a big Fucking Difference if I can borrow a line from Uncle Joe.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Just as I feared: Bernie's most fanatical followers are butthurt former Ron Paul fanboys who will vote for anyone who is "Anti-Establishment."

 

[shortsFortallPeople]

People are usually missing the actual problem, which are poor white folk. Those are the people Hillary needs to worry about in GE against Trump.

the poor white folks vote has almost always gone republican so i don't know why she would even bother

 

[kamspy]

The most important issue to me would be fixing our trade deals.

What other choices do I have if Bernie get's clipped by Hilldawg?

 

[Knox]

I had this discussion with a friend who is a fellow Bernie supporter but was considering Trump for the general if Clinton wins. His major points were free trade, the Iraq war/hawkishness in general, and money in politics. I think he was just so caught up in the Bernie fervor of focusing on where he and Hillary differ that those became the issues that mattered more than any other, and convinced himself that Trump might be better on those issues (debatable). After talking about it he agreed that Trump was so far to the right on everything else that the trade off wouldn't be worth it.

I think after the primary if Hillary does go on to win all it will take is Bernie supporting her and speaking about all the important ways they are similar, and how radically different any Republican nominee will be. Liberals will rally around Hillary whether we like it or not.

 

[Odrion]

Just as I feared: Bernie's most fanatical followers are butthurt former Ron Paul fanboys who will vote for anyone who is "Anti-Establishment."

Why are you fearing five hundred idiots?

 

[excelsiorlef]

Probably has something to do with Hilary being willing to sacrifice her first born if it meant she'd get the nomination.

What is with all this ridiculous psychoanalysis in regards to Clinton.

 

[Rebel Leader]

Why are you fearing five hundred idiots?

Because there's more than that

 

[lastflowers]

Why are you fearing five hundred idiots?

the goal is to validate one's personal beliefs about anyone who doesn't act the same way; it has nothing to do with actually understanding the world and voter mindset around him/her. Just disregard and continue.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

The most important issue to me would be fixing our trade deals.

What other choices do I have if Bernie get's clipped by Hilldawg?

You have only two choices, because it's a two-party system.

Please understand.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Why are you fearing five hundred idiots?

500 out of 700. It isn't a scientific poll, but still, having that much of a percentage of them willing to jump over to Trump is terrifying.

 

[Odrion]

Because there's more than that

there could be a hundred times more and it would make no impact