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James Gunn expects Hollywood to learn the wrong lessons from Deadpool
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This is why J-Law somehow became a main character in the X-men movies. Some suit said 'hey people like her' and now she's front and center without worrying if she's a good Mystique. (she's not).
Yep
And now we have three "J-Law and the X-men" movies
The upcoming Batman v Superman is another good example of that, to be honest. At least with Marvel, they slowly built and established their universe and characters before doing a big grand crossover, whereas BvS is basically throwing everything (Batman, Lex Luthor, Wonder Woman, Doomsday) into one film right after the DC Extended Universe began with Man of Steel.
Why is having Lex Luthor and Doomsday (2 Superman characters) in a Superman movie considered to be cramming? Batman I'll give you but Wonder Woman is no more prominent than Widow was in IM2. It's like accusing Martha Kent and Lois Lane showing up in Man of Steel as throwing everything in. Some of you need to really think about what "cramming too many characters" actually means.
As for the topic at hand, this has been something Hollywood almost as a whole has been doing for decades. They are trying to make money without really grasping why anything made money. You get your winners here and there though.
Deadpool getting greenlit when it did was definitely in part due to Guardians landing hard like a month before. Gunn isn't really stretching at all to make that point. You guys really don't think a long gestating project that stayed dormant for THAT long suddenly came together a month after GOTG and had nothing to do with GOTG doing well? C'mon.
Deadpool was a hard sell because the tone would be nothing like any other supehero movies. Then a completely non-traditional superhero movie with lots of comedy and a unique POV becomes that year's big hit.
The test footage was very important but that was floating around for awhile before Fox decided to finally go for it.
The reason Deadpool was greenlit is because of the reaction to the test footage as others have said... but it was also because it was a pretty cheap movie to make. Only a budget of like 48 million (which the movie nearly made on Friday alone)
James Gunn sounds salty to me as Deadpool seems like the type of superhero movie he would have liked to have made considering his Troma Films roots.
Lol, I would laugh so friggin hard.I expect Warner to announce they're throwing together a Lobo film any time now.
Gunn is on point here. His attitude also helps dispels the notion that marvel has a vice like grip on their directors.
Why is having Lex Luthor and Doomsday (2 Superman characters) in a Superman movie considered to be cramming? Batman I'll give you but Wonder Woman is no more prominent than Widow was in IM2. It's like accusing Martha Kent and Lois Lane showing up in Man of Steel as throwing everything in. Some of you need to really think about what "cramming too many characters" actually means.
It's just that same BS narrative that people just like to grasp on. Crammed? Yeah right.
On another note, which MCU character can benefit from an R rated movie?
He really is taking credit for the SS trailer, he thinks he came up with the idea of cutting a trailer to a pop song on his own. Christ dude, get over yourself.
Maybe I keep missing it but I'm not seeing it in the original post. Was it in the comments?
Scientist Supreme!
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Yeah it's weird. I guess that's fanboys for you.Seems like this thread is concentrating on the wrong part of Gunn's message. Do we have Fox executives posting?
Maybe I keep missing it but I'm not seeing it in the original post. Was it in the comments?
It's pretty obvious who he is talking about.After every movie smashes records people here in Hollywood love to throw out the definitive reasons why the movie was a hit. I saw it happen with Guardians. It "wasn't afraid to be fun" or it "was colorful and funny" etc etc etc. And next thing I know I hear of a hundred film projects being set up "like Guardians," and I start seeing dozens of trailers exactly like the Guardians trailer with a big pop song and a bunch of quips. Ugh.
Can Crusher
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He really is taking credit for the SS trailer, he thinks he came up with the idea of cutting a trailer to a pop song on his own. Christ dude, get over yourself.
Suicide Squad feels like DC's lesson from Guardians. It's quite apparent.
Let's not try and hide that shit that is in plain sight for everyone to see.
It's pretty obvious who he is talking about.
Ah okay. Went right past it. Lol, that is pretty hilarious.
Suicide Squad feels like DC's lesson from Guardians. It's quite apparent.
Let's not try and hide that shit that is in plain sight for everyone to see.
Just because people call it "DC's Guardians movie" doesn't mean that's actually what it is. Ensemble movies are not a new thing.
Mr. Poolman
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He is 100% on-point.
I remember when League of Extraordinary Gentlemen bombed, some Hollywood exec said something on the lines of "maybe this whole comic book movies trend just ran out of steam", when it was really "we made a shitty movie nobody wanted to see".
I remember when League of Extraordinary Gentlemen bombed, some Hollywood exec said something on the lines of "maybe this whole comic book movies trend just ran out of steam", when it was really "we made a shitty movie nobody wanted to see".
He really is taking credit for the SS trailer, he thinks he came up with the idea of cutting a trailer to a pop song on his own. Christ dude, get over yourself.
If you think that's a total coincidence, you're being a little naive.
What did he mean by this?
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Looks he's already taking the wrong lessons.
Nope, one is about bad guys the other is about a bunch of ragtag misfits.Suicide Squad feels like DC's lesson from Guardians. It's quite apparent.
Let's not try and hide that shit that is in plain sight for everyone to see.
Suicide Squad is The Dirty Dozen, not Guardians.
Nope, one is about bad guys the other is about a bunch of ragtag misfits.
Suicide Squad is The Dirty Dozen, not Guardians.
Ok I get that you're a big fan or something, but you need to stop taking offense when people suggest that the marketing is taking cues from a recent successful movie. It's not an insult, or even a problem.
He really is taking credit for the SS trailer, he thinks he came up with the idea of cutting a trailer to a pop song on his own. Christ dude, get over yourself.
Yeah, Suicide Squad Trailer is a totally different beast from the Guardians' one!
What a prick he is for pointing it out!
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He right, look here at gaf folks screaming for every comic film to be R, reasons be damn. I can only imagine what superficial Hollywood middle managers are saying
They can churn out every R comic book movie they can think of as long as one of them is Old Man Logan.
Old Man Logan doesn't work with just the X-men for obvious reasonsThey can churn out every R comic book movie they can think of as long as one of them is Old Man Logan.
Can Crusher
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Just because people call it "DC's Guardians movie" doesn't mean that's actually what it is. Ensemble movies are not a new thing.
Right. C-List characters that previously to the task in hand were all considered criminals/outlaws, but get put together to do "something good, something bad, bit of both?" in order to save the day. The trailer was just another coincidence.
ahaha
Nope, one is about bad guys the other is about a bunch of ragtag misfits.
Suicide Squad is The Dirty Dozen, not Guardians.
Oh they're bad guys, I see.
Right. C-List characters that previously to the task in hand were all considered criminals/outlaws, but get put together to do "something good, something bad, bit of both?" in order to save the day. The trailer was just another coincidence.
ahaha
Cut to a classic rock song.
Lol Guardians resulting in Deadpool getting made yeah okay Gunn.
I et the feeling a guy who literally made a Marvel movie may have more info on the situation than you.
Mr. Poolman
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Nope, one is about bad guys the other is about a bunch of ragtag misfits.
Suicide Squad is The Dirty Dozen, not Guardians.
SS would have not existed if not for GotG's success.
Hollywood is adopting comics' insanity instead of being embarrased by it,
Messypandas
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Right. C-List characters that previously to the task in hand were all considered criminals/outlaws, but get put together to do "something good, something bad, bit of both?" in order to save the day. The trailer was just another coincidence.
ahaha
Sounds like The Losers
Sounds like The Losers
Which, coincidentally, is a DC/Vertigo property.
He's right. Deadpool success came from both a movie and marketing that really didn't assume moviegoers were stupid. They weren't "afraid" that the concept wouldn't work, they just went balls to the wall with it. Guardians is another good example of that, so I get why he's worked up about deadline saying what they did.
The point is: Everyone's going to look and say, "oh man hunky actor makes crass humor! That's what sells!" When really it's just studios not taking something at face value and treating the audience right. Marvel's success really came down to the same thing in the beginning, with Iron Man and other films, where all of a sudden we started getting way more faithful adaptations.
The point is: Everyone's going to look and say, "oh man hunky actor makes crass humor! That's what sells!" When really it's just studios not taking something at face value and treating the audience right. Marvel's success really came down to the same thing in the beginning, with Iron Man and other films, where all of a sudden we started getting way more faithful adaptations.
Can Crusher
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Sounds like The Losers
Which, coincidentally, is a DC/Vertigo property.
They were already a team. The Losers is more of a rip-off from A-Team, which precedes it by like 20 years.
They were already a team. The Losers is more of a rip-off from A-Team, which precedes it by like 20 years.
So now superficial differences count? Okay.
I expect Warner to announce they're throwing together a Lobo film any time now.
Surely with Geoff Johns having his hands on everything, it will be a Booster Gold movie?
Old Man Logan doesn't work with just the X-men for obvious reasons
Allow me a bit of optimism, we're living in a world where Sony and Marvel managed a deal and Millar movies are box office darlings
Mr. Poolman
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C-Tier, Harley Quinn... hmm nah.
Hmm yes.
A-Class:
Batman
Superman
Wonder Woman
B-Class:
Flash
Green Lantern
Joker
C-Class
Deathstroke
Harley Quinn
You guys need to stop getting so offended when people say Suicide Squad was influenced by GotG. Though I know some try to spin it as a negative as if WB is devoid of original ideas, GotG being so successful having an impact on the development of other projects isn't inherently a slight.
The marketing and development of Suicide Squad was probably influenced by GotG. Yeah, so fucking what? Who cares as long it's a good movie with good marketing.
The marketing and development of Suicide Squad was probably influenced by GotG. Yeah, so fucking what? Who cares as long it's a good movie with good marketing.
A C-tier character does not get the amount of merchandise and exposure that Harley does. And Joker being B-tier? C'mon now.Hmm yes.
A-Class:
Batman
Superman
Wonder Woman
B-Class:
Flash
Green Lantern
Joker
C-Class
Deathstroke
Harley Quinn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vayksn4Y93A
Look an emsemble movie trailer with quips and a pop song! But I thought Gunn came up with that! :rolleyes
Look an emsemble movie trailer with quips and a pop song! But I thought Gunn came up with that! :rolleyes
The point is Gunn comes off as a bit of an asshole with statements like that. What if the head of DC Comics came around and said "We are responsible for a decent chunk of Marvel's characters". Doesn't matter if it's true he would still come off as an asshole for pointing it out.
N7Commander95
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Hmm yes.
A-Class:
Batman
Superman
Wonder Woman
B-Class:
Flash
Green Lantern
Joker
C-Class
Deathstroke
Harley Quinn
Very wrong really. In terms of popularity and name recognition.
Joker is hugely well known and popular, far more so than GreenLantern or hell even the flash.
Plus Harley Quinn is MUCH larger than Green Lantern as well.
Id wager that in terms of the popularity of comic book heroines she only just slightly below Wonder Woman
TotallySuicide Squad feels like DC's lesson from Guardians. It's quite apparent.
Let's not try and hide that shit that is in plain sight for everyone to see.
Messypandas
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Hmm yes.
A-Class:
Batman
Superman
Wonder Woman
B-Class:
Flash
Green Lantern
Joker
C-Class
Deathstroke
Harley Quinn
You've got to be kidding. Joker is one of the most well known villains period, not even limited to the comic-sphere.
Suicide Squad feels like DC's lesson from Guardians. It's quite apparent.
Let's not try and hide that shit that is in plain sight for everyone to see.
Shit it's not just DC, look at the latest Star Trek Beyond trailer. Even though the creative team hyped this movie up as a return to form, Pegg was heavily critical of the direction this trailer took as it doesn't paint an accurate picture of the movie. It feels like it's cashing in on the whole "rag tag group of adventurers saving the world" thing.
Even if the wrong message is being focused on in James' rant I think focusing on Guardians alone kind of undersells the whole social zeitgeist about these movies. On one hand you could say that the success of Guardians being a dare inspired people to pursue Deadpool, but in much broader terms pretty much the reason the whole cinematic universes is being handled in an interconnected fashion right now is almost purely on account of Marvel, and I don't think that's disputable. I'd go so far to say that the only reason X-Men exists right now in it's reworked fashion the way DOFP set it up is purely because Avengers happened, and so they could write themselves out of the hole they were put in and make a whole new set of movies.
That and, let's be real here; Guardians might not have been first to do the things it did, but even if it was, it's still reshaped the specific part of the medium it inhabits. We have a whole GAF thread where everyone predicted it would be a supermassive black hole of a bomb. Instead it became one of the most highly revered sci-fi action movies of that year.
Point is, don't undersell how much a runaway hit will influence circumstances regarding other movies. A movie failing or succeeding will invariably affect even competing studios, even if it's just a matter of slightly convincing that there's an entire audience that might be willing for a very different take on what's currently hot.
N7Commander95
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vayksn4Y93A
Look an emsemble movie trailer with quips and a pop song! But I thought Gunn came up with that! :rolleyes
Wow, like the modern "quirky cool trailer with quips cut to a rock song' to a tee.
We get a lot more modern cinema conventions from Tarantino than I originally thought
You've got to be kidding. Joker is one of the most well known villains period, not even limited to the comic-sphere.
I'd argue Wonder Woman is B-Class as well. That whole list shows a lack of real world knowledge about the popularity of these characters. Harley (despite the oddity of it) has basically become a feminist icon nowadays.
Mr. Poolman
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I'd argue Wonder Woman is B-Class as well. That whole list shows a lack of real world knowledge about the popularity of these characters. Harley (despite the oddity of it) has basically become a feminist icon nowadays.
The world is not compromised of only 20 and 30 year olds.
Schweinehund
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blegh, no more dc talk in a deadpool thread.
I don't know what deadpool's success means. It just reinforces comedic super hero movies, but I don't forsee any of the other studios cranking out r-rated films anytime soon.
I don't know what deadpool's success means. It just reinforces comedic super hero movies, but I don't forsee any of the other studios cranking out r-rated films anytime soon.
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