Different spin on your question:
Are you really going to let Nintendo ransom you into giving them your money? Even given the fact that they continue to do things that don't inspire much confidence in them, like digital-only and senseless censoring?
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Different spin on your question:
Are you really going to let Nintendo ransom you into giving them your money? Even given the fact that they continue to do things that don't inspire much confidence in them, like digital-only and senseless censoring?
There's a difference between this and Bayonetta. The overt sexualisation is part of Bayonetta's character. In this, there's no reason for the bikini costumes. They're don't contribute anything to the protagonists' characters. They're purely there for fan service and titillation. They're unneeded, and someone at NoE/NoA obviously thought they were unnecessary. Sure, you might have enjoyed seeing them in the bikini, but it really doesn't add anything at all.
If you want to counter that they play a part in a story scene - I thought that part was unnecessary too. Contributes nothing to the story.
And the EU version is just as censored as the US version, as far as I'm aware (haven't played the US version!)
flatearthpandas
Member
Ah, just saw it was confirmed censored. Not surprised one bit but, really, just fuck NoA. This is the third time in as many years. It really is just about the principle too. If NX is not region free I'll just buy a JP system and never look back.
shadow2810
Member
The bizarre thing is only NA is getting censored version, and it was NOA that localized the game.
Do you lot really consider the removal of two silly costumes "censorship"? The rest of the game is exactly the same. Violence, gore, suicide. Just two unnecessary bikinis removed. Are you that desperate to see them? Look them up on the internet, or even look up a pic of a real girl!
Mountains being made out of molehills here.
Mountains being made out of molehills here.
I'm hoping the NX is region free so that I wont have to worry about that.
It is censorship. No one's denying that it doesn't impact the core game--it just rubs us the wrong way, especially given the lack of any reasonable justification other than "omg lewd."
P.S. nice classic retreat to the ad hominem argument.
It's unnecessary objectification of women that's less acceptable over here in the west nowadays. Surely that's a good enough reason?
KratosEnergyDrink
Member
People really complain about a bikini costume removed? Hilarious.
I don't like censorship. But I don't think this is censored, the bikini costumes were simply a dumb move anyway, hilarious soft porn to please some immature players and doesn't fit the game. The new costumes doesn't fit too, but they are funny at least.
Some bad reviews don't worry me. Many good games have mixed reviews. And a horror game that is not going for cheap scares is not for everyone and the reviews mirror this exactly.
I don't like censorship. But I don't think this is censored, the bikini costumes were simply a dumb move anyway, hilarious soft porn to please some immature players and doesn't fit the game. The new costumes doesn't fit too, but they are funny at least.
Some bad reviews don't worry me. Many good games have mixed reviews. And a horror game that is not going for cheap scares is not for everyone and the reviews mirror this exactly.
It is censorship. And it's not because "lewd" but because there are armies ready to fight against any "lewd" and probably NoA doesn't feel that the fight is worthy.
But to not buy this game because those 2 costumes is as extremist as those shouting "lewd" on the other side. Actually it kind of means that one was not interested in the actual game anyhow, as the game is not changed a bit. You have to play it to the end to get those costumes and that's what you actually pay for, to play the game. Unless one wanted to pay just for those costumes, of course. In which case I agree, there are other games out there that do a better job at those.
But to not buy this game because those 2 costumes is as extremist as those shouting "lewd" on the other side. Actually it kind of means that one was not interested in the actual game anyhow, as the game is not changed a bit. You have to play it to the end to get those costumes and that's what you actually pay for, to play the game. Unless one wanted to pay just for those costumes, of course. In which case I agree, there are other games out there that do a better job at those.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Europe is part of the West isn't it?
The bikini costumes are dumb but it's just another example of an issue that's happened before. I'd love to know why Nintendo of America is so scared of allowing us Americans to see women in bikinis in T and M rated games.
To actually translate a fully fan service chapter for Fire Emblem and then censor the fan service is hilarious. Don't even bother at that point.
To actually translate a fully fan service chapter for Fire Emblem and then censor the fan service is hilarious. Don't even bother at that point.
And Europe doesn't have the bikinis.
It's my favorite horror series and I'm not going to let digital only stop me from playing it. The NX being region free would really end this since NOE likes bringing the series over.
shadow2810
Member
They are getting them, at least that's what we get from reviews.
Spieler Eins
Member
So how are they going to explain the upcoming batch of lewd conduct simulators they have turned Fire Emblem into? Is that why the 3DS one comes so late, are they cutting half the game? :lol
I've reviewed it, and no it doesn't have them.
The Zero Suit Samus/Zelda trailer was even a European trailer!
That's a fair point.
I think you'd be hard-pressed to find someone that was going to buy this game purely for the bikini costumes. It's a result of the one-two punch that is the digital-only release followed up with the silent replacement of content with no communication to the consumers. Combine that with generally poor marketing push intertwined with the looming sense of "if this game sells poorly then we really don't see the point of continuing support for this series in your region," and you're obviously going to get a group of fans who feel betrayed and less inclined to give you their hard-earned money.
I'm still going to buy this game. Just not for $50.
I'm unlikely to buy the game anyway - the combination of expensive physical edition, cheaper but large installation digital edition and these lukewarm reviews are making me seriously reconsider - beside any costume removal/replacement stuff.
But you might want to consider that there's a chance - however slim - that people may feel like they don't need NOA or you to think for them, and are instead quite capable of making their own decisions and purchases according to their sensibilities and tastes.
kunonabi
Member
I'm still going to buy the game just not from NOA. It's that simple. If NOA is going to continue altering content and treating the franchises I love this poorly then I'll just buy a Japanese NX if they continue their region locked bullshit. It's a stupid decision because the costume is in the story mode which means they either altered that too or they left it in meaning that removal of the costumes as a bonus was worthless to begin with. It was a shitty decision to appeal to people who aren't going to be buying the game anyway and have the option to just not use the costumes unlike the rest of us.
Mithos
Member
And if you are one of those shouting "lewd" and do NOT buy the game now when the bikinis are apparently removed..............
Hoho for breakfast
Member
Sigh. Mediocre reviews + censored (fucking why???)? No thanks. I was really hoping this would be good too.
Have you seen the Samus costume? It doesn't have anything to do with the kiddy company. It has to do with the outrage that US is capable when it's about the bathing suit of a 17 years old in a Nintendo game.
Those are just professional trolls who are able to complain from totally different positions in a matter of seconds.
Yep, this is a massive over-reaction. Probably by the same group of people who complain about female representation in gaming. It changes the gameplay in no way, nor the overall experience. But oh no, I refuse to buy this game now because it's missing two optional costumes I probably wouldn't use!
kunonabi
Member
If they had such an issue with underage characters in bikini's maybe they shouldn't have littered Tekken Tag Tournament 2 with Nintendo outfits and an exclusive bonus mode if it's going to be such a knock to their image.
Yup that's all it is. Based off some people in here it sounds like you will enjoy it if you're a fan.
That wasn't published by Nintendo I think.
And again the point is not that Nintendo doesn't want to associate the name with bikinis or whatever, but that the scandal is not worthy for 2 bonus costumes in a game that will likely sell quite poorly . It's not that difficult to understand, really.
kunonabi
Member
Assuming it did turn into another twitter bitch fest who's to say it would really be that hurtful to sales? Some reviews of the mentioned pervy costumes and sexed up females and nobody is really having a meltdown. Considering Nintendo apparently thinks the game is going to tank so badly that they resorted to a free-to-pay digital only release with almost zero marketing than any excuse to get eyes on it and trying out the first few chapters would more likely help sales than do any significant damage to them.
pinkurocket
Member
We get a Zelda costume tho.
Vlaphor
Member
I honestly doubt there would have even been a scandal or that Nintendo would have cared. Most scandals over these types of things are only noticeable online for a short while, then they die down somewhat and then the games sell what they would have regardless The two games this year with the biggest scandal of these types were Witcher 3 and MGS V, which are also two of the highest selling games of this year. That's what publishers notice.
I just beat FF2 a day ago for the first time. Reading that 5 has quite a few linear sections is disappointing, to say the least; after exploring villages and houses, exploring a mountain sounded like it'd be a fun new setting.
As for the usual FF horror tropes, I can't say for sure if they're getting stale, since I've yet to play 3 or 4, though I will say that the oppressive, foreboding atmosphere from the first 2 games is where FF seems to shine, rather than straight up spooks and scary imagery. There's also the story to consider. So, I think I'll give it a chance.
As for the usual FF horror tropes, I can't say for sure if they're getting stale, since I've yet to play 3 or 4, though I will say that the oppressive, foreboding atmosphere from the first 2 games is where FF seems to shine, rather than straight up spooks and scary imagery. There's also the story to consider. So, I think I'll give it a chance.
kunonabi
Member
Indeed it was. Those were simpler times.
Having played the first few chapters in a JPN Wii U with some friends, those scores are baffling to me to say the least.
From my impression, the game uses the gamepad really well since it's the camera. You need to aim at the ghosts and even turn to get the best angle to increase damage.
The first areas were also tense and scary (but I have a weak point for those games) with quite a few enemies and lots of room to explore.
I can see why people thought this game was tiring. Beyond the fear, which tires you mentally, you still have to consider all the gamepad controls, which tires you physically. I can't imagine playing this in a single session or even in a few days. I guess this ended up hurting the reviews, the game is better when played through small chunks.
From my impression, the game uses the gamepad really well since it's the camera. You need to aim at the ghosts and even turn to get the best angle to increase damage.
The first areas were also tense and scary (but I have a weak point for those games) with quite a few enemies and lots of room to explore.
I can see why people thought this game was tiring. Beyond the fear, which tires you mentally, you still have to consider all the gamepad controls, which tires you physically. I can't imagine playing this in a single session or even in a few days. I guess this ended up hurting the reviews, the game is better when played through small chunks.
LordGorchnik
Member
The censorship is just the nail in the coffin for most people. It's certainly not going to HELP sales that's for sure. There was plenty to be miffed about already with no physical edition and poor marketing and advertising on Nintendo's part.
It's some stinky shit right here for NoA fans but what can you do eh?. I think I'll hold off on this one.
It's some stinky shit right here for NoA fans but what can you do eh?. I think I'll hold off on this one.
-shadow-
Member
The first two games yeah, after that it was all exclusive.
Sorta, but they never got simultaneous launches when they were. Fatal Frame 1 and 2 both stayed exclusive to PS2 for about a year before they got updated ports to the Xbox.
Fatal Frame 3 was only ever released on PS2, so that's when they stopped doing multiplat releases.
Fire Emblem had some content censored and it did fine. This is having mediocre reviews + Digital Only, censorship is only the icing on the cake for most.
And Nintendo has done this type of censorship in the past, and will most likely continue. They really try to avoid possible outrages.
And Nintendo has done this type of censorship in the past, and will most likely continue. They really try to avoid possible outrages.
IAmtheFMan
Member
This is sad.
Not the reviews (I'll get to that in a second) but the reaction to the "censorship" of basically skimpy added costumes that add nothing but titillation. Go ahead and justify it however you want but that IS what the added costumes were. They add no purpose, no added "artistic integrity" to the game other than existing for the sake of fan-service at its worst. I've been looking forward to this game for a long time, basically waiting for a Fatal Frame to finally make it stateside AGAIN since FF 3 which seems like forever ago. These games do give me some of the best tension and scares I've ever had in games, and never once did I think after those games after having unlocked previous skimpy costumes "gee, this was a necessary (or even good) bonus to unlock."
As for the reviews, it's disappointing but I'm still going to buy it and make up my own mind. ZombiU and even W101 went through the same shit, and those have become some of my favorite games on the Wii U. I take a huge grain of salt especially when it comes to Wii U games that aren't typical "Nintendo" games.
Not the reviews (I'll get to that in a second) but the reaction to the "censorship" of basically skimpy added costumes that add nothing but titillation. Go ahead and justify it however you want but that IS what the added costumes were. They add no purpose, no added "artistic integrity" to the game other than existing for the sake of fan-service at its worst. I've been looking forward to this game for a long time, basically waiting for a Fatal Frame to finally make it stateside AGAIN since FF 3 which seems like forever ago. These games do give me some of the best tension and scares I've ever had in games, and never once did I think after those games after having unlocked previous skimpy costumes "gee, this was a necessary (or even good) bonus to unlock."
As for the reviews, it's disappointing but I'm still going to buy it and make up my own mind. ZombiU and even W101 went through the same shit, and those have become some of my favorite games on the Wii U. I take a huge grain of salt especially when it comes to Wii U games that aren't typical "Nintendo" games.
Mr Fahrenheit
Member
The main character is a gravure idol.
And believe me, that fact is a totally insignificant part of the plot. It's not a major part of her character. It comes up in one cutscene.
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
Not skipping, but not gonna pay full price, especially for digital.
