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Furious 7 audience was 75% non-white

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JDSN said:
Fuck Cookie, the only reason the latinos started caring about F&F is because we lost our collective shit to Danza Kuduro that whole year. Not Diesel, Not Rodriguez, not that israeli chick with the bathing suit scene that made everyone in Latin America laugh.

It was all that damn song for us.


Edit: Also, we love Tom Cruise for some reason.
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I totally forgot about this song, then hit that link...as soon as the beat dropped in I was like "awwwww shiiiiiit" :D
 
Syriel said:
Nick Fury was originally white.

When Ultimate came out, the writers decided to make him black and based his look on Sam Jackson (with Jackson's blessing).

Then, when the movies came out, it was only natural that Jackson would be Fury since he was the model for the updated character.

But yeah, compared to Furious 7, Avengers is pretty white. Agents of SHIELD has more color than Avengers.
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To help back up the above:

http://daltonchadeverett.com/2011/10/18/super-spies-and-eye-patches-part-2-of-3-ultimate-nick-fury/

The book’s most lasting contribution was Bryan Hitch choosing to model this new version of Nick Fury after a well-known actor. The Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. now looked just like Samuel L. Jackson. In the fourth issue of The Ultimates, Volume 1, a scene in their rec room has the characters speculating on who should play their parts in a movie. Fury suggests Brad Pitt for Captain America, Johnny Depp for Tony Stark and Lucy Liu for the Wasp. When asked who would play his part, replies “Why, Mister Samuel L. Jackson, of course. That’s not even open to debate, Doctor Pym.”

Later Samuel L. Jackson, rather than sue, would give Marvel his explicit permission to use his likeness in the comic. It was an instance where a celebrity opts to embrace his fans rather than be a dick about it. Jackson would end up amply rewarded as he landed a TEN PICTURE deal with Marvel studios. A fine example of good karma paying dividends.
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BeatResetsTheWorld said:
Dude, the director is Asian (Taiwanese American). I'm pretty sure he can tell the difference between the different Asian nationalities and wouldn't just give a Korean actor a Korean name and try to claim he's Japanese. There was no implication that Han originated in Japan. He always seemed like an outsider.

And he never said anything about wanting to go back to Japan. In fact IIRC, his line was that he was thinking of visiting Japan, implying that was a new destination for him



Because they're not spaniards? Unless the indigenous central and south american people, who they're mixed with, also came from Spain
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Yes, because all hispanics are a mix of indiginous people and spaniards.
 
Skeptor said:
^^^

Its impossible to see how important and groundbreaking these stats are without stats for other big hollywood movies to compare it to.
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US is over 60% non-hispanic white. Unless you think that white people go to the movies 5x less than other people, it's pretty clear that this is not typical

EDIT: To be more helpful, White moviegoers bought 54% of all movie tickets in 2013, even though they make up 60% of the population. Hispanic people bought 25% of movie tickets vs 17% of the population. Other groups were more or less in line with their demographic breakdown.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/cinemacon-african-american-moviegoers-increase-691170
 
kswiston said:
US is over 60% non-hispanic white. Unless you think that white people go to the movies 5x less than other people, it's pretty clear that this is not typical.
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Non typical, sure.

But how non typical? That's why I'd like to see stats.

I'm not denying your point, I'd just like to see evidence as to how different this is to other big movie releases, which the original source neglected to include.
 
Skeptor said:
Non typical, sure.

But how non typical? That's why I'd like to see stats.

I'm not denying your point, I'd just like to see evidence as to how different this is to other big movie releases, which the original source neglected to include.
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I included more info for movies in general in my previous point. I don't know if breakdowns for specific movies are publicly available.

The article does provide Man of Steel's numbers

According to the MPAA report, released at CinemaCon, only 50 percent of Man of Steel's audience was Caucasian, followed by Asian and other (18 percent), Hispanic (14 percent) and African-American (11 percent).
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jey_16 said:
Didn't realise how white the avengers were, only black guy is Samuel L Jackson

Is it like that in the comics as well?
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SLJ is not an Avenger but there should be more minorities in the new one. Falcon and War Machine, Heimdall are black too.

those are obviously still not a lot and not really big roles.


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maybe Han is Japanese from Korean descent?
 
For everyone arguing about Han: watch the movie Better Luck Tomorrow which is the first appearance of the character. Also by the director of Tokyo Drift. He's Korean-American.
 
Even though I haven't liked the last two movies, I love how diverse this franchise is and it is yet another example of how the conventional wisdom about movies needing white people to be successful is complete bullshit.
 
Asian-American here who jumped into the series at Fast & Furious 6. When I first started watching the movie I loved how diverse it was, then I found the movie was actually awesome and became a huge, loyal fan of the franchise. But it's such a change from how minorities in movies are often just token characters or stereotyped as the black gangster, spicy latina, dragon lady, etc...that even if the movies sucked I was already down with them. Anyone else think Justin Lin being director for 3 through 6 had a big part in why the cast is so diverse?

tl;dr: diversity is a big part of why I am a loyal consumer of the franchise.
 
OK fine, I'll ask the question we've all been thinking: why does Furious 7's production team hate white people?
 
Megalosaro said:
They they just imply italian americans aren't white?
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While Italians are White under more inclusive Mediterranean definitions, in places like America and Northern Europe the definition is more rigid, with less wiggle room for olive/light brown tones that many Italians exhibit.

I see them like my people the Turks. Ambiguously white because it depends on the individual's skin colour and depends on the exact definition of White being employed. Eg. Under some definitions it's not even about looks but about being a European Christian, which would exclude white skinned Turks but include light brown skinned Southern/South-Eastern Europeans.

PeskyToaster said:
Can anyone point to the time when Hispanics became non-white despite being from Spain?
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Many olive/light brown native Spainards would not be considered White under American/Northern European definitions.
 
Crud said:
They still going to be slow and hesitant to change anything. Until people in Hollywood stop hating minorities not much will change.
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pretty much,plus look at all the black sitcoms back in the 90s compared to today, you woulda thought it expanded in the 2000's. Ha!
 
Burning Vigor Attack said:
Since when is "Hispanic" a race?
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They are talking about ethnicity, not race.

According to the Hollywood Reporter, 75% of the North American audience for Furious 7 was non-white. Hispanics—who attended the movie more than any other ethnic group, according to the Motion Picture Association of America—made up 37% of ticket buyers, followed by Caucasians (25%), African-Americans (24%) and Asians (10%).
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I guess the question to exam next is are people seeing these films because they have an ethnically diverse cast? Or are they seeing them because it has an all star cast of action/movie stars like Vin Diesel and The Rock who happen to be ethnicities. Would the same film done as well with a similarly cast diverse cast of unknown actors, or would it have done the same with a cast of all white actors?

Don't get me wrong diversity in everything is great, but if we really want to see change in hollywood we'll need more evidence then just "F&F7 did well with a diverse cast of very popular actors/actresses and reached a diverse audience". Does your average film goer see these films because the Rock is not white? Or are they going to see the Rock who happens to be not white?
 
Stereogatari said:
Many olive/light brown native Spainards would not be considered White under American/Northern European definitions.
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I think you might need to get a little more specific in where you're talking about here. In the UK and Ireland, certainly, everyone indigenous to Europe is considered white. It's really only when you get as far out as Turkey that this starts to change (which is pretty sensible, given it straddles Europe and Asia). Spanish, Portugese, Italians etc are certainly considered white.
 
TIL Han was Korean. Honestly, I watched the F&F movies this week and had no idea his name was Han Seoul-Oh. I admit I wasn't paying that much attention to Tokyo Drift (that's a cringeworthy bad movie, it's amazing how the series survived that).
 
RJT said:
TIL Han was Korean. Honestly, I watched the F&F movies this week and had no idea his name was Han Seoul-Oh. I admit I wasn't paying that much attention to Tokyo Drift (that's a cringeworthy bad movie, it's amazing how the series survived that).
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That's the best one in the series though. Only one better is Fast 5.
 
RJT said:
TIL Han was Korean. Honestly, I watched the F&F movies this week and had no idea his name was Han Seoul-Oh. I admit I wasn't paying that much attention to Tokyo Drift (that's a cringeworthy bad movie, it's amazing how the series survived that).
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His full name appeared briefly in Fast Five amongst shots of all of Dominic's crew's rap sheets being sifted through by the Rock's character. Plus he actually has looks like a Korean dude.
 
Ryuelli said:
That's the best one in the series though. Only one better is Fast 5.
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The only good one for me is 5 (I haven't seen 6 or 7 though). Tokyo Drift was honestly the worse IMO, but I understand how someone would appreciate the campiness.

chaobreaker said:
His full name appeared briefly in Fast Five amongst shots of all of Dominic's crew's rap sheets being sifted through by the Rock's character. Plus he actually has looks like a Korean dude.
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There are almost no Koreans in Portugal, so I'm not that familiar with the looks of Korean people. Besides, isn't there a history of migrations between Korea and Japan? Seems like a normal mistake to assume he was Japanese... Just talking about this because someone called the journalist stupid because of that mistake.
 
CyclopsRock said:
I think you might need to get a little more specific in where you're talking about here. In the UK and Ireland, certainly, everyone indigenous to Europe is considered white. It's really only when you get as far out as Turkey that this starts to change (which is pretty sensible, given it straddles Europe and Asia). Spanish, Portugese, Italians etc are certainly considered white.
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I already made it pretty clear in my previous post, but I am happy elaborate.

Let me put it this way. There are Italians, Spaniards, Portuguese and Greeks that would be mistaken for being Turkish in Germany, Holland, Austria etc. (places with large Turkish minorities) and vice versa for Turks in the aforementioned Mediterranean countries. So the definition of white/non-white in some contexts like this is ambiguous in terms of looks, but as you've said is clearer if the definition is simply indigenous Europeans regardless of looks.

I did actually mention the general definition of white as being synonymous with European in my previous post, but in reality I think it's more complicated than that since the way a person looks takes centre stage in most cases of racial categorisation.

For example take a light skinned Turk that could pass as a Germanic American and take an olive skinned/light brown Italian that might be stereotyped as "Mexican" by certain Americans, let's say they both walk around in a small 100% white town in America. Even though the Italian is European and therefore ethnically/culturally white, it's likely that he'll receive more curious stares (and possible discrimination) than the Turk in this example who would pass by un-noticed. Whereas if the Italian went to Turkey, or the Turk went to Italy, they'd both blend in as these countries both exhibit diverse range of skin tones among their populations. Indeed IIRC the racial term "white" as a synonym for the native ethnicity isn't used in public discourse in Mediterranean countries, whereas it seems to be commonplace in English speaking white majority countries.

Interestingly enough in the UK Turks are categorised under the White Other category (alongside non-British/Irish Europeans) and in Apartheid South Africa and White Policy Australia Turks were considered White, but of course South-Eastern Europeans who were under Turkish rule for centuries would be outraged at this consideration of their "old enemy" the Turks as being the same racial category as them. But the funny thing is some of these South-Eastern Europeans would be mistaken for Turkish in Germany, Austria, Holland etc. :P.
 
What exactly is the signifigance of this news? Non-white people attend movies too? I thought we established that already?
 
I am not really sure what this data means other than the fact that white people didn't go see the movie - and isn't that a bad thing in a majority white country? One would think that movie attendance demographics for successful major films would be close to the actual demographics of the country.
 
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