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[WALKMAN04]

What the hell are you blabbing about? Reading comphrehension. Try it, instead of saying things I didn't say.

I think people subscribed to AngryJoe are AngryJoe fans. There may be Nintendo fans among them, as they aren't mutually exclusive categories. But, I think AngryJoe has a potential audience that Nintendo may not have a huge part of these days (Xbox, PS and PC fans). I think it's also likely that those fans are subscribed to other gaming channels...but ones that match whatever their interests are (Xbox, PS or PC). People are fairly insular.

That's why I said "theoretically," I wasn't claiming he HAD done it yet.

All I'm saying is that people who subscribe to gaming channels are usually gamers and as gamers I'm sure they know about other gaming media outlets such as ign or whatever they regularly go to. Those websites have sections dedicated to Nintendo platforms so they get their publicity that way not from some youtuber that has 2 million subscribers but from the gaming websites that have way more traffic. Nintendo won't lose much of any publicity, it will be a very small insignificant fraction that worship these YouTube channels and their are people who do this so that's all I see them losing

 

[tearsintherain]

Nintendo's Youtube policies are a bit... odd, for those who think this is AJ being an idiot.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/...e-program-bogged-down-with-delayed-approvals/

If you get on their creator partner program the revenue split is 60/40 (Nintendo/you), but they must approve every single video and apparently its taking weeks sometimes for them to issue the approval. If you are NOT on their creator partner program the split is 100/0 (Nintendo/you). Thats fair, right?

Oh, but you can just instead get on their channel approval, where your entire channel is pre-approved so no wait times. The split then is 70/30. One catch, 100% of your videos must be about Nintendo then. And 70% of all ad revenue goes to Nintendo. Oh, also there is a whitelist of games that are only available to cover, and the list hasn't been updated in a year.
https://r.ncp.nintendo.net/whitelist/

While losing a few youtube personalities will not hurt Nintendo at all, its again the problem that the entire world is moving in a direction Nintendo is fighting tooth and nail against. My kids are literally straight out of that south park episode, they will sit around in a room watching some retard on youtube play a video game rather than the play the game themselves. I don't get it, I will never get it, but at least I can recognize thats what they do.

 

[tim.mbp]

So was the Wii U donated by people or not? This matters a lot in how much sympathy I have

Here's the video for when he got a Wii U.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koX-Ny6zHdM

He said people donated money with the specific purpose for him to buy a Wii U. So I take it the system wasn't donated, but the money was earmarked towards buying a Wii U.

 

[nobodyshero]

But if he does a rant, he'll make money off of that.

Haha true. The rant video will probably get more traffic too.

 

[Dawg]

If you want to support a company that's being a complete dick, when other companies are being the exact opposite, that's your business. Continue. Continue support what you want. Blind. Blind eyed. Turn a blind eye. That's cool. I think it's hypocritical, especially if you talk shit about EA.

But when Nintendo does it? They get a free pass? Is that what you're telling me? Everyone shut their mouth? Don't say anything against Nintendo, don't talk bad about Nintendo, they're making us these plastic fucking toys. They're giving us the 17th same thing on Mario.

From the video.

 

[duck_sauce]

Nintendo leadership grinds my gears so much

 

[Mpl90]

Nintendo's Youtube policies are a bit... odd, for those who think this is AJ being an idiot.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/...e-program-bogged-down-with-delayed-approvals/

If you get on their creator partner program the revenue split is 60/40 (Nintendo/you), but they must approve every single video and apparently its taking weeks sometimes for them to issue the approval. If you are NOT on their creator partner program the split is 100/0 (Nintendo/you). Thats fair, right?

Oh, but you can just instead get on their channel approval, where your entire channel is pre-approved so no wait times. The split then is 70/30. One catch, 100% of your videos must be about Nintendo then. And 70% of all ad revenue goes to Nintendo.

...The split is actually the contrary, IIRC (except for the 100/0 one).

 

[Gestault]

Would have been smarter by him to just say nothing and then not make videos. What is the point of throwing this out there?

Presumably, because he'd like the policy changed, and he thinks it would benefit both parties more if they did. His point of reference is his relationships with most other game publishers, and his particular awareness of informal advertising. You can disagree, but if that's his outlook, not saying anything wouldn't make sense.

 

[Village]

That is exactly why they are doing this. You think Nintendo gives two shits?

I think it's at the point if you want to make money leave Nintendo alone. They don't care about your 'free exposure' I think they believe their brand alone will sell it. Given their long existence I can't say they are wrong.

But if he does a rant, he'll make money off of that.

* looks a wii u sales*

Maybe they should totally start caring I don't know.

maybe they should acknowledge the current landscape of video game entertainment I don't know.

Or this the thread where we pretend nintendo is totally ok, because we are going to smugly jealous of the person on the video making money.

This isn't directed at you mind you, a lot of people in this thread

 

[Alienous]

Nintendo's Youtube policies are a bit... odd, for those who think this is AJ being an idiot.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/...e-program-bogged-down-with-delayed-approvals/

If you get on their creator partner program the revenue split is 60/40 (Nintendo/you), but they must approve every single video and apparently its taking weeks sometimes for them to issue the approval. If you are NOT on their creator partner program the split is 100/0 (Nintendo/you). Thats fair, right?

Oh, but you can just instead get on their channel approval, where your entire channel is pre-approved so no wait times. The split then is 70/30. One catch, 100% of your videos must be about Nintendo then. And 70% of all ad revenue goes to Nintendo.

It's an option, and anything more isn't owed to anyone.

 

[nobodyshero]

Here's the video for when he got a Wii U.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koX-Ny6zHdM

He said people donated money with the specific purpose for him to buy a Wii U. So I take it the system wasn't donated, but the money was earmarked towards buying a Wii U.

Well then not only does he need to rephrase his complaints in a MAJOR way, but he almost needs to keep making Nintendo content just so he isn't holding his fans money hostage.

 

[TheSlySoul]

Nintendo's Youtube policies are a bit... odd, for those who think this is AJ being an idiot.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/...e-program-bogged-down-with-delayed-approvals/

If you get on their creator partner program the revenue split is 60/40 (Nintendo/you), but they must approve every single video and apparently its taking weeks sometimes for them to issue the approval. If you are NOT on their creator partner program the split is 100/0 (Nintendo/you). Thats fair, right?

Oh, but you can just instead get on their channel approval, where your entire channel is pre-approved so no wait times. The split then is 70/30. One catch, 100% of your videos must be about Nintendo then. And 70% of all ad revenue goes to Nintendo.

Also keep in mind that the 40% also takes into account Youtube's cut and if you partnered with a company their share. So you get 20% of $2,000 to make a living for a month.
Edit: OK, even at 40% of $2,000 it is still pretty bad.

 

[empyrean]

Nintendo's Youtube policies are a bit... odd, for those who think this is AJ being an idiot.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/...e-program-bogged-down-with-delayed-approvals/

If you get on their creator partner program the revenue split is 60/40 (Nintendo/you), but they must approve every single video and apparently its taking weeks sometimes for them to issue the approval. If you are NOT on their creator partner program the split is 100/0 (Nintendo/you). Thats fair, right?

Oh, but you can just instead get on their channel approval, where your entire channel is pre-approved so no wait times. The split then is 70/30. One catch, 100% of your videos must be about Nintendo then. And 70% of all ad revenue goes to Nintendo.

Say the 70/30 split to Nintendo...i'm willing to bet they put more time, effort, risk and money in for their 70% than people ever will do creating a video for 30%.

Yeah you may think it sucks but people are essentially riding on the back of other peoples work to make money.

 

[Cbajd5]

Nintendo's Youtube policies are a bit... odd, for those who think this is AJ being an idiot.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/...e-program-bogged-down-with-delayed-approvals/

If you get on their creator partner program the revenue split is 60/40 (Nintendo/you), but they must approve every single video and apparently its taking weeks sometimes for them to issue the approval. If you are NOT on their creator partner program the split is 100/0 (Nintendo/you). Thats fair, right?

Oh, but you can just instead get on their channel approval, where your entire channel is pre-approved so no wait times. The split then is 70/30. One catch, 100% of your videos must be about Nintendo then. And 70% of all ad revenue goes to Nintendo.

Your split is backwards, it's 60% for you/40% for Nintendo on an individual video basis and 70% for you/30% for Nintendo if your entire channel is Nintendo dedicated.

I don't get why people post news articles when this is all on the website for the program.

 

[Lothars]

It is nice that Nintendo does not listen to its fanbase. Because they would go bankrupt.
Wii was pretty much the exact opposite what fanboys wanted. Wii U was what they wanted.

No the wiiu wasn't what was wanted because they dropped the ball in many ways. This just proves yet again how out of touch nintendo is with things in general.

 

[Welfare]

From the video.

He isn't wrong.

 

[Seik]

Here's the video for when he got a Wii U.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koX-Ny6zHdM

He said people donated money with the specific purpose for him to buy a Wii U. So I take it the system wasn't donated, but the money was earmarked towards buying a Wii U.

Sounds pretty much like the whole thing was donated...

Joe disappoints me then, I really like what he does but pretending he 'paid' for everything in his last video makes the whole thing very, very silly to me now. :/

 

[Palculator]

From the video.

And yet these games from this horrible company are apparently important enough to his channel that he gets this mad about not being able to profit off of them.

 

[Leafhopper]

Nintendo's Youtube policies are a bit... odd, for those who think this is AJ being an idiot.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/...e-program-bogged-down-with-delayed-approvals/

If you get on their creator partner program the revenue split is 60/40 (Nintendo/you), but they must approve every single video and apparently its taking weeks sometimes for them to issue the approval. If you are NOT on their creator partner program the split is 100/0 (Nintendo/you). Thats fair, right?

Oh, but you can just instead get on their channel approval, where your entire channel is pre-approved so no wait times. The split then is 70/30. One catch, 100% of your videos must be about Nintendo then. And 70% of all ad revenue goes to Nintendo. Oh, also there is a whitelist of games that are only available to cover, and the list hasn't been updated in a year.
https://r.ncp.nintendo.net/whitelist/

While losing a few youtube personalities will not hurt Nintendo at all, its again the problem that the entire world is moving in a direction Nintendo is fighting tooth and nail against. My kids are literally straight out of that south park episode, they will sit around in a room watching some retard on youtube play a video game rather than the play the game themselves. I don't get it, I will never get it, but at least I can recognize thats what they do.

The person who uploads it gets a majority of the money.

Last week, Nintendo announced that YouTube video makers would be able to receive up to 70 percent of the ad revenue on videos featuring Nintendo games, up from a previous zero revenue share.

That's the first line of the Ars technica article...

 

[Beelzebufo]

Wait, did he blame Nintendo for the video being taken down? That was all him right?

 

[ShinMaruku]

Haha true. The rant video will probably get more traffic too.

This is how you make lemonade out of lemons. He should do that and then leave Nintendo alone. Let them be the odd ones out. It may make them a pain to deal with, BUT let's never forget their contribution.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Presumably, because he'd like the policy changed, and he thinks it would benefit both parties more if they did. His point of reference is his relationships with most other game publishers, and his particular awareness of informal advertising. You can disagree, but if that's his outlook, not saying anything wouldn't make sense.

Doesn't seem worth the effort, but that is just me. Nintendo already has made its stance clear on this stuff. But the 'controversy' will probably give him a few more views.

 

[Eolz]

* looks a wii u sales*

Maybe they should totally start caring I don't know.

maybe they should acknowledge the current landscape of video game entertainment I don't know.

Or this the thread where we pretend nintendo is totally ok, because we are going to smugly jealous of the person on the video making money.

This isn't directed at you mind you, a lot of people in this thread

It's weird how there's more Vita love and let's plays from youtubers than for the 3DS and WiiU.
Video commentary isn't necessarily giving more sales to specific products.

 

[Moon_frogger]

But he plays games for a living, edits them, writes scripts, etc etc. Why waste dozens if not hundreds of hours doing that when he could be doing it and making money? Is it a bit selfish? Sure. But it's not bratty.

I will say, though, that the policies were really obvious and he should have known better. That doesn't make Nintendo's active policy not shit, though.


Right, that's why companies like EA and Ubisoft actively pay YouTubers to play their games and upload them to YouTube. Shakin' in dem boots.

mmmhmmmh and do you think, when they are 'actively paying' for publicity they are giving them carte blanche to say whatever they like about the games? or do they have them sign a contract with 3 million stipulations and restrictions? I'm guessing the main one being 'don't say anything even remotely negative about the game' Are you seriously using that as some kind of rebuttal to my point? haha.

 

[Nokterian]

From the video.

Sums it up nicely seeing how nintendo defense force is and he is not wrong.

 

[Starchasing]

* looks a wii u sales*

Maybe they should totally start caring I don't know.

maybe they should acknowledge the current landscape of video game entertainment I don't know.

Or this the thread where we pretend nintendo is totally ok, because we are going to smugly jealous of the person on the video making money.

This isn't directed at you mind you, a lot of people in this thread

Who do you think is going to be still as relevant as today, NIntendo or AngyJoe? Because if we are talking exposure both are getting it and only one will be relevant in the next 5 years.

 

[Aizu_Itsuko]

A bunch of obviously butt hurt people in here. Nintendo have no claim on his video at all. There's no question about it.

Of course Nintendo and all their fans who think this is good for then have no idea how much lost publicity and revenue stuff like this causes them. There are tons of YouTube personalities and streamers who won't touch a Nintendo game with a 10 foot pole because of this shit. Potentially losing the attention of 10's of millions of people. But continue trying to spin that into a positive thing.

Of course its been obvious for awhile that Nintendo isn't being run very well.

Pretty much. This is so backwards.

OTOH, it looks like plenty of people on this thread could be making millions a year playing games and uploading videos but have decided not to because it would be too easy and not a real job. Sure.

 

[Artorias]

No because instead of having a proper conversation you respond with personal attack and "lol".

No need to be a fucking liar, thats just pathetic.

 

[blankempathy]

Wait, did he blame Nintendo for the video being taken down? That was all him right?

Of course he took it down. Because if he can't make all the money then Nintendo gets no free press. Obviously its Nintendo's fault even though hes basically countering nintendos "my way or no way attitutude" with "No its my way or nothing".

 

[Hubble]

Nintendo's mindshare with the young people of this generation will continue to suffer because of actions like these, especially as popular personalities that are part of today's generation share this unpopular opinion. A lot of young people are less aware and less fond of Nintendo than older people today.

 

[Kintaro]

Nintendo's Youtube policies are a bit... odd, for those who think this is AJ being an idiot.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/...e-program-bogged-down-with-delayed-approvals/

If you get on their creator partner program the revenue split is 60/40 (Nintendo/you), but they must approve every single video and apparently its taking weeks sometimes for them to issue the approval. If you are NOT on their creator partner program the split is 100/0 (Nintendo/you). Thats fair, right?

Oh, but you can just instead get on their channel approval, where your entire channel is pre-approved so no wait times. The split then is 70/30. One catch, 100% of your videos must be about Nintendo then. And 70% of all ad revenue goes to Nintendo. Oh, also there is a whitelist of games that are only available to cover, and the list hasn't been updated in a year.
https://r.ncp.nintendo.net/whitelist/

While losing a few youtube personalities will not hurt Nintendo at all, its again the problem that the entire world is moving in a direction Nintendo is fighting tooth and nail against. My kids are literally straight out of that south park episode, they will sit around in a room watching some retard on youtube play a video game rather than the play the game themselves. I don't get it, I will never get it, but at least I can recognize thats what they do.

If you are a content creator, who does NOT create many Nintendo videos for your make source of income, why would you still not just go through the program? See, while their cut would be much more, it's more than just that. It would showing off your diversity of coverage and expanding your video channel portfolio. So, even though you would be making less money doing Nintendo videos and going through their creator program for some money, you would be actively expending your channel and your fanbase which you could use to get more views on the videos and products that DO make you the money.

On the outside, it all seems fucked up. But if you're a business own (a YT personality) than why wouldn't you still use this to grow your business even if you make a little less upfront?

 

[Jobbs]

doesn't everyone know by now that your Nintendo videos will be taken down if you're not part of the Nintendo partnership thing? I thought this was well known. Why would you then post a Mario Party 10 video?

 

[MYeager]

Presumably, because he'd like the policy changed, and he thinks it would benefit both parties more if they did. His point of reference is his relationships with most other game publishers, and his particular awareness of informal advertising. You can disagree, but if that's his outlook, not saying anything wouldn't make sense.

Somehow this doesn't seem like a great way to either be taken seriously by the company or affect policy change.

 

[Moon_frogger]

Would they, I'd like to see some proof. Making arguments based on speculation are always fun though.

hahaha what? you think nintendo is going to officially sanction a video with some idiot screaming 'FUCK YOU PEACH YOU BITCH FUCKING DIE'. you...you want me to 'prove' that they wouldn't allow that? Hahahahahahahaha. ok I'm done here. You can't make this shit up, I swear.

 

[Scrooged]

Joe isn't stupid. He knew the law and the fact that Nintendo is more strict about copyright and protecting their IP. He's going to get paid for that rant video. He makes a living off of this stuff.

'For the gamers' is nice and all, and it's true to an extent, but don't be naive and think he's not doing it for the money too. It's ironic in this case since he's accusing Nintendo of being greedy.

 

[Alienous]

doesn't everyone know by now that your Nintendo videos will be taken down if you're not part of the Nintendo partnership thing? I thought this was well known. Why would you then post a Mario Party 10 video?

It didn't get taken down. Nintendo just took all of the revenue and Joe decided "fuck it, nobody gets anything".

 

[Orayn]

doesn't everyone know by now that your Nintendo videos will be taken down if you're not part of the Nintendo partnership thing? I thought this was well known. Why would you then post a Mario Party 10 video?

They don't get taken down, they get monetized by Nintendo.

Joe isn't stupid. He knew the law and the fact that Nintendo is more strict about copyright and protecting their IP. He's going to get paid for that rant video. He makes a living off of this stuff.

'For the gamers' is nice and all, and it's true to an extent, but don't be naive and think he's not doing it for the money too. It's ironic in this case since he's accusing Nintendo of being greedy.

Fuck, I think this is the first Scrooged post I've ever agreed with.

 

[blankempathy]

doesn't everyone know by now that your Nintendo videos will be taken down if you're not part of the Nintendo partnership thing? I thought this was well known. Why would you then post a Mario Party 10 video?

You didn't hear? He bought a wii u, 4 pro controllers and 4 games so he deserves that money he gets for going behind Nintendo's back.

 

[4Tran]

The solution is quite simple.

Angry Joe can continue to play Wii U games, but if he decides he wants to monetize them he has to give Nintendo 40%, or 100%. Or give them nothing, have fun. They owe you nothing. You owe them nothing.

Nintendo doesn't give a fuck. They don't want your favour.

The most popular solution with the bigger Youtube creators is even simpler: no Nintendo content on their channels at all. Nintendo is fully within their legal rights to impose restrictions on their videos. However, it's not always a good idea to do so. In this case, the policy decisions stem from Kyoto, and Nintendo Japan is way behind the times. It's reminiscent of how poorly Sega Japan handled their Youtube policy. The difference is that Sega's subsidiaries are much more forward thinking and they can mitigate head office's mistakes. There's no one to do that for Nintendo.

 

[TheChewyWaffles]

My response:

Are you the former CFO of a medical device manufacturer?

 

[phanphare]

Nintendo makes products that sell. For example, even though many people want Mother 3 in the west, Nintendo still hasn't brought it to the west, leaving the people who play video games, Known as "Gamers" by many, to translate it themselves and distribute it themselves to the west.

I'm just saying that your phrasing is pretty much objectively false. AJ cannot be more "for the gamers" than Nintendo because he doesn't make gaming hardware or games that run on that hardware. it's not a chicken and egg scenario. the video games came first.

Nintendo's Youtube policies are a bit... odd, for those who think this is AJ being an idiot.

why does it have to be one or the other? I think Nintendo's Youtube policies are very weird but I also think AJ is being an entitled cry baby

 

[danm999]

Nintendo could give a WiiU to every youtuber that they would not change their nintendo coverage, and would not really change the WiiU sales either.

It wouldn't change current Wii U sales significantly I suspect, no. Despite a great library the Wii U is likely a lost cause sales wise regardless.

But like it or not, prominent YouTubers like Joe and PewDiePie and TotalBiscuit are becoming increasingly influential, and Nintendo is creating unnecessary barriers to their promotion of Nintendo products they don't need.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

Is this a joke?

I doubt anyone who is a Nintendo fan really cares about AngryJoe and it's not like Nintendo doesn't spend millions in advertising elsewhere.

While you're right, because of their bullshit none of the top YouTubers cover Nintendo. Boogie doesn't. Nerd3 doesn't. TotalBiscuit doesn't. And, of course, Jim Fucking Sterling Son doesn't. Does PewDiePie?

 

[MrBadger]

doesn't everyone know by now that your Nintendo videos will be taken down if you're not part of the Nintendo partnership thing? I thought this was well known. Why would you then post a Mario Party 10 video?

Small correction - the video was still up and he removed it himself to spite Nintendo. He was just not profiting from it.

EDIT: beaten. Now I just look like a broken record. Oops

 

[AzureTranquility95]

Thank you for your post, considering this is what you do.

So, a question: I know how much time and effort can go to video editing.

It depends on whether you're adding commentary or not, and how much footage you want to cut out. Either way, it can be an extensive process, but the more you do it, the more you get used to it (Big shocker, I know), and obviously you have to find the right editing program for you, even if the program itself may not necessarily be the best one ever. Sometimes the editing process, not so much the playing of the games, feels like the "real job", since uploading the videos to a youtube/zippcast/etc channel is 100% a waiting game.

it's understandable to want to be "compensated" for all this, but again, if you enjoy doing it, you may not feel you need to earn $$$ to justify it. I think this is how people feel with a "career" rather than a "job". One usually enjoys their career, and the money is a necessary evil to survive.

I also know that Angry Joe runs a community for online games and they go play every now and then. They need to buy and maintain servers.

Hmm... not gonna lie, this sounds foreign to me. That said, if he has to maintain online servers, and the Nintendo fiasco is cutting into compensation for doing so, I can understand his anger just a little bit more.

So do you think that the reason might be the amount of time he needs to dedicate to all of this and, considering what he may get in result isn't enough for him, he might just think it's not worth the effort to participate in Nintendo's program?

With the online server thing factored in, and assuming he mostly or only plays Nintendo games through those servers, this does make his situation just that much more understandable. Still...

Small correction - the video was still up and he removed it himself to spite Nintendo.

Lol, trust me, you're not spiting a game/tv company by removing your video. If anything you're doing what they want. A company like Nintendo doesn't need to syphon ad revenue from YouTube Personalities, they do it because they like money and/or probaly feel obligated to receive compensation for their product being showcased.

 

[……forgetit]

"People were really enjoying it."

So why take it down? To spite Nintendo?

On principal probably

 

[McLovin]

Pretty dumb on Nintendo's part. There are lots of times when I see playthrough of a game I had no interest in, and decide to buy. Oh wells.

 

[TheAbsolution]

For what's it's worth,he said he was just testing out the waters with these Nintendo's Let's Plays before he expended tons more effort on a review video only to have them take his revenue away from him.
Which actually makes sense.

 

[Jobbs]

Joe isn't stupid. He knew the law and the fact that Nintendo is more strict about copyright and protecting their IP. He's going to get paid for that rant video. He makes a living off of this stuff.

'For the gamers' is nice and all, and it's true to an extent, but don't be naive and think he's not doing it for the money too. It's ironic in this case since he's accusing Nintendo of being greedy.

I was wondering why he would post a Mario 10 video, since he already is very well aware of Nintendo's policies, and now I think I know why.. To post a big rant video afterwards. That's the only explanation.

 

[Furfuryl Furforate]

If you are a content creator, who does NOT create many Nintendo videos for your make source of income, why would you still not just go through the program? See, while their cut would be much more, it's more than just that. It would showing off your diversity of coverage and expanding your video channel portfolio. So, even though you would be making less money doing Nintendo videos and going through their creator program for some money, you would be actively expending your channel and your fanbase which you could use to get more views on the videos and products that DO make you the money.

On the outside, it all seems fucked up. But if you're a business own (a YT personality) than why wouldn't you still use this to grow your business even if you make a little less upfront?

or you could cover indie games and be the first to discover the next minecraft, Five Nights at Freddy's, etc. and make shitloads of money.