cheezcake
Member
Can you explain your stance? I honestly cannot see how this is a good decision for anyone involved including Nintendo.
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AngryJoe receives a Nintendo copyright claim. Hope they enjoyed the ad revenue; Done
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Can you explain your stance? I honestly cannot see how this is a good decision for anyone involved including Nintendo.
Cbajd5
Member
Uh no, they have a long list of content they're covering with the content creator's program that goes back to NES games. Since the Content ID system works on just matching audio/video owners upload its not like there's any effort to be made in using it.
of course, that's why I'm working 9 hours a day on a shitty factory, don't want to offend YouTuber fans but it's some easy money as hell, His reviews are a lot of works and deserve money but for streaming games ? it's not.
I dont have much to add to this discussion, but some of these posts I agree with so much. Especially this quote.
Nintendo is struggling with Wii U sales, in turn lesser software sales because of this. Here is a guy with a Youtube channel that shows mostly other gaming platforms...
....these ppl will potentially be exposed to something they normally wouldnt even bother with......
And this is ok....for Nintendo..... to have the videos removed? So less exposure is a good thing now for struggling gaming consoles...
Ok, I get it now.
Remember folks....Angry Joe didnt just have a 100 million selling console followed up by one with waaaay less sales. Trying to generate some, any type of interest should be in Nintendo's best interest.
Orniletter
Banned
Watch this post getting completely ignored...but a whole slew of new "Nintendo defense force, ugh !"-posts instead.
I love reading your posts, Jebusman, I remember you from the infamous "Bayonetta,rape ? "thread a while back.
He has a site
He also has an account at Blip.TV, a video site that puts ads on every video whether you like it not, and doesn't get shit from Nintendo. It's also exclusive now as nobody can sign up anymore (no idea why...)
Also, someone mentioned that Joe is "independent", but that's not entirely true. He belongs to Polaris, the same network as chuggaaconroy, TheJWittz, Game Grumps, Cinemassacre, and many other channels that do Nintendo related content. Along with PewDiePie and Total Biscuit.
I don't know how much money Polaris takes from their contributors, but Joe doesn't get 100% on his other videos.
That's the difference between selling products and providing a service.
I'm not paying Apple any money because I make my living on a Mac. I've bought it, it's mine. I DO pay my internet provider though, because I use their service.
With games this is understandably a nebulous area.
Wiktor
Member
Ultimatelly this is the only result company could get from trying to limit YT video makers monetizations, since there will always be plenty of smaller devs who will consider the free marketing to be enough.
By sending copyright notices like those the only effect you can get as a company is to have the people like Angry Joe avoid your games. Which in the end is probably for the best. Indie devs need the exposure far more than Nintendo.
By sending copyright notices like those the only effect you can get as a company is to have the people like Angry Joe avoid your games. Which in the end is probably for the best. Indie devs need the exposure far more than Nintendo.
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
Yeah cause all he did was take some footage and upload it, he didn't spend time playing the game or provide any kind of critique or review by commenting on the game play. That costs nothing to do, right?
You might think that Youtube is 'easy' and not a 'real' job and all they do is upload someone else's IP but it takes a lot of work to run a YT channel and get viewers.
I'm not saying they should be entitled to make money but they are no different than someone like Giantbomb making a Quick Look.
If it's so easy then why don't you quit your shitty factory job and do it yourself?
TheSlySoul
Member
I have to agree with this.
Since your fans donated to get you a Wii U, you should give them coverage. Just make the videos on Blip.
I am mostly baffled why anyone would defend Youtube on this. They suck at fair use. The original video was mostly 1 minute clips from Twitch attached together.
OmegaDL50
Member
So do you find people that do gaming journalism such as writing reviews and articles on games. not a "job" either?
Be it a personality on such as Angry Joe or TotalBiscuit youtube talking about games as opposed to someone writing about games like Jason Schreier or Jim Sterling. What difference does it make?
legacyzero
Banned
As a matter of fact, my decision to purchase a Wii U came strictly from Youtube and word of mouth (GAF).
I didn't see ONE commercial on TV about Wii U and it's games. I didn't need to. My primary driver was folks creating content based on their own opinions, and THEIR fun with the product. Also, Mario Kart 8 looked ballin as fuck.
I didn't see ONE commercial on TV about Wii U and it's games. I didn't need to. My primary driver was folks creating content based on their own opinions, and THEIR fun with the product. Also, Mario Kart 8 looked ballin as fuck.
And he's a "parasite" because...
Bloody hell, the needless hate of some idiots in here for Joe is so weird. Among my group of friends all but one like watching his videos. For us, his enthusiasm and passion for gaming comes through clearly, and he's fun and entertaining to watch. The one guy who doesn't like him says he doesn't find him entertaining. Which is fair enough.
But on NeoGAF, he's a "parasite" and deserving of so much hate and contempt because... because.
cjtiger300
Member
ITT, people who have no idea how YouTube monetization works when a copyright claim is made. Of course they didn't take the video down, like that is some kind of victory.
Moral Panic
Member
It costs effort and money to make fake Nikes at the factory too.
You're reading way too much into my comment. I was just responding to someone saying he should put the videos up for free, if he doesn't that's somehow proof that he doesn't play games because he enjoys them. I said that he runs a business and this is his job, so it's pretty obvious why he won't do that. I said nothing at all about him being "entitled" to compensation from anyone, that's just you creating a strawman.
……forgetit
Member
He had his own website, it was called blisteredthumbs.com and it's currently defunct.
Looks like you know it better..i will wait for your content on youtube and let's see how 'easy' it is all right? Stop with your current job and go full time youtuber let's see if you have 1 million subscribers in 2 months all right?
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
Show me where he made a bootleg copy of Mario Party 10 to sell.
cheezcake
Member
That has got to be one of the worst analogies I have ever heard.
Wiktor
Member
This sounds very salty. Just because you lack the talent to pull off what he does successfully doesn't mean he's not doing a real job.
SlowRevolution
Member
What's that even supposed to mean?
I still see a few posts with people confusing this notice he got with copyright strikes.
Nintendo did not have this video taken down.
They left it up, but all ad revenue was getting funneled to them instead.
It left no bad marks on AngryJoe's account, and does not present any threat to his account. All it did was remove the income he would receive, from this one video.
He himself set it to private so that rather than people enjoy the video and Nintendo get the revenue, no one enjoys the video and no one gets paid. (Aka, take your ball home)
He could still make these videos solely out of passion/good will, but as far as people here are concerned, that's an impossibility.
What a shitty life being an LPer like that must be, only prioritizing games you think will make you money.
Nintendo did not have this video taken down.
They left it up, but all ad revenue was getting funneled to them instead.
It left no bad marks on AngryJoe's account, and does not present any threat to his account. All it did was remove the income he would receive, from this one video.
He himself set it to private so that rather than people enjoy the video and Nintendo get the revenue, no one enjoys the video and no one gets paid. (Aka, take your ball home)
He could still make these videos solely out of passion/good will, but as far as people here are concerned, that's an impossibility.
What a shitty life being an LPer like that must be, only prioritizing games you think will make you money.
baphomet
Member
A bunch of obviously butt hurt people in here. Nintendo have no claim on his video at all. There's no question about it.
Of course Nintendo and all their fans who think this is good for then have no idea how much lost publicity and revenue stuff like this causes them. There are tons of YouTube personalities and streamers who won't touch a Nintendo game with a 10 foot pole because of this shit. Potentially losing the attention of 10's of millions of people. But continue trying to spin that into a positive thing.
Of course its been obvious for awhile that Nintendo isn't being run very well.
Of course Nintendo and all their fans who think this is good for then have no idea how much lost publicity and revenue stuff like this causes them. There are tons of YouTube personalities and streamers who won't touch a Nintendo game with a 10 foot pole because of this shit. Potentially losing the attention of 10's of millions of people. But continue trying to spin that into a positive thing.
Of course its been obvious for awhile that Nintendo isn't being run very well.
If it's so easy then why don't you do it?
Moral Panic
Member
I didn't claim he did. You claimed that because he puts effort into it and it's not easy that he is then entitled to some compensation. My rebuttal was to show that that thinking was flawed.
cheezcake
Member
Yeh, I really dislike pulling this card but god damn a lot of posters in here sound just straight up jealous.
PirateKing
Junior Member
It means most disliking/hating him think eveything he does is "easy" and anyone can pull it off no worries
Because I don't want to be force to play some games I don't want to play for making money like some YouTubers I used to followed.
My shitty factory provide me a future, a good health care and a security, we don't know how Youtubers/twitch dude will do in 10 years from now.
Then quit your job and start streaming games for a job, since it's so easy. Tell us how that works out for you.
Another Angry Joe thread? What is this, his personal blog!?!?!?! *banned*
Nah, just kidding. But I can't really side with him on this issue. Sure, he wants to make money on his videos and it's dumb that he can't, but at the end of the day it's their content he's profiting off of. His response is weak too, it's not like Mario Party 10 is going to hurt for sales without his coverage.
Nah, just kidding. But I can't really side with him on this issue. Sure, he wants to make money on his videos and it's dumb that he can't, but at the end of the day it's their content he's profiting off of. His response is weak too, it's not like Mario Party 10 is going to hurt for sales without his coverage.
The workers working at the fake nike factory deserve compensation too.
……forgetit
Member
It's not about whether he deserves it or not. He chooses to play games which will make him money (ie non-Nintendo games), which is the smart thing to do.
OOOOOOOO!
Wiktor
Member
Usually a job is supposed to make you money. If you want to do a job for free there are a lot more worthy causes than making videos about games from japanese mega corporation.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
He made a tweet saying that he bought his Wii U when his fans donated it to him? .............
jfoul
Member
I really don't understand all of the hate for Youtube, and Twitch streamers. All of the hateful comments in this thread are pretty ridiculous.
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
The only thing flawed is your analogy.
Does Giantbomb, IGN, Destructoid, Eurogamer, etc.. have to give Nintendo a share of the ad money they sell on the site when they cover the next Nintendo game?
If not, why do they expect to get all the ad revenue from Youtube, it's basically the same thing in all but job title.
I'm not saying Nintendo can't control their IP or that Youtubers are entitled to money but surely there is a better solution than just striking all the videos, one that doesn't require you to sign your rights away as a "partner". All it does is drives people to stop covering the games, games get less exposure and all Nintendo is doing is cutting their nose off the spite their face.
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Deleted member 13876
Unconfirmed Member
Companies can pull the plug, sure. But they probably won't, and they shouldn't. I think it's in those company's best interest to leave the current system intact, rather than constructing intermediary companies that create a higher barrier of entry. I think there's a reason most companies have been tolerating Let's Plays and it's mainly because they benefit them as well. Nintendo has been on the wrong side of history in terms of online stuff a lot of the times and I don't see this as being any different.
Speaking purely from a game company's perspective it would be smart to get on the good sie of Youtubers with a huge reach the same way the gaming press has been pampered with fancy press trips. Not advocating this is a good thing, but I suspect there will be a lot more backscratching in the future, maybe problematically so. These people don't have the veneer of being journalists though so that further complicates conflict of interest discussions.
I don't watch Angry Joe's stuff, I mostly find him grating, but I do think he has the right to complain about Nintendo here.
RealityCheque
Banned
For the grief they take for this kind of thing, can it really be worth it just to score a few nickels of ad revenue?
I'm honestly asking, is there so much money in this for them that its worth the damage they do to their reputation among gamers and the decreased exposure they get online?
I'm honestly asking, is there so much money in this for them that its worth the damage they do to their reputation among gamers and the decreased exposure they get online?
TheSlySoul
Member
So much this.
Sure they may be 1,000 successful channels, but 1 million people tried and failed.
As much as PDP annoys me, I have to applaud his success.
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
Exactly. YouTubers should consider themselves lucky to get and revenue from their videos at all. If they aren't uploading reviews they don't have a right to a single cent.
I understand all that. So does that mean Nintendo is ok with any advertising value that comes out of it since they left the video up? Should Joe be entitled to any of the revenue that comes in for this advertising?
cheezcake
Member
No your rebuttal was a completely off base analogy that makes absolutely no sense. Hell I don't even like Joe but his videos require independent thought, critique and presentation and is in no way comparable to producing a straight replica of copyrighted materials.
But it's self employment. LPers are still essentially in hobbyist territory, but with financial compensation due to ads/donations.
It's gone so long now that rather than the exception, it's now the "norm" that people get paid for these videos, to the point where not getting paid is seen as an insult and "Well why bother?"