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[draetenth]

Agreed, it's a nice looking dragon. It's hard to tell, but I think it has four eyes which would be really neat if true.

 

[Sou Da]

Well that patch screwed up my saves.

 

[~Kinggi~]

Apologies if it was posted already, here's a great (audio) interview with Chris Avellone about game design & game development in general.

this interview was great. I am tempted to take the end comments about micromanagement and how it kills your employees and play it for my boss aka CEO. Motherfucka micromanages everyone its killed all morale.

 

[Kinthalis]

Well that patch screwed up my saves.

Yeah, betas can sometimes do that. Don't count on updates to them letting you carry over saves.

 

[Soyongdori]

The only things I don't like about this game is the missing romance option and the price.

 

[HK-47]

The only things I don't like about this game is the missing romance option and the price.

Whats not to like about the price?

 

[Soyongdori]

Whats not to like about the price?

Too steep for my taste.

And I'm already dead set on buying Bloodborne...

 

[HK-47]

For a 60-80 hour rpg 45 is too much?

 

[pahamrick]

Too steep for my taste.

I paid $24~ for the Hero edition. Seems like a steal for the amount of content they've been talking about.

 

[Soyongdori]

For a 60-80 hour rpg 45 is too much?

There are 60-80 hour rpgs on Steam that are less than 30.

 

[draetenth]

Is romance really that big of a deal?

 

[Sou Da]

Yeah, betas can sometimes do that. Don't count on updates to them letting you carry over saves.

Eh I'm not mad, it was just a bit of a shock to see the wurms and the egg where the beetles are supposed to be.

 

[LurkerPrime]

Is romance really that big of a deal?

Bioware's the gatekeeper to the RPG genre now; they set the rules, for good or ill. By virtue of this, yes, romances are a big deal.

 

[HK-47]

There are 60-80 hour rpgs on Steam that are less than 30.

I suppose Bloodborne gets the same treatment? Of course, being indie and kickstarted devalues PoE.

 

[Kinthalis]

There are 60-80 hour rpgs on Steam that are less than 30.

Of this caliber and of this kind? Where? 'cause I'm in!

Seriously, this is a hell of bargain, in contrast you're willing to spend $60 for Bloodborne?

 

[TrueMenace]

Bioware's the gatekeeper to the RPG genre now; they set the rules, for good or ill. By virtue of this, yes, romances are a big deal.

Bioware is funded by EA. They have a budget that allows them to do that.


This is a Kickstarter project, $4 Million+ and people expect EVERYTHING. Sheesh. Give Obsidian a flippin' break. Romances are one of the most complex narratives to implement in THIS TYPE OF GAME (cRPG). This is a big ass game with a limited budget.

 

[Sou Da]

There we are.

Can't move my Greatsword Fighter either

 

[TrueMenace]

Of this caliber and of this kind? Where? 'cause I'm in!

Seriously, this is a hell of bargain, in contrast you're willing to spend $60 for Bloodborne?

He thinks Pillars of Eternity is a low-brow random "steam rpg" when in reality this is THE RPG...I'd happily pay $60 worth 100+ hours of content that will expanded by expansions and passionate devs and modders. $45 is a FUCKING STEAL!

Sorry for the rant, but I want to smack people when they say $45 is too much for this game!

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Bioware is funded by EA. They have a budget that allows them to do that.


This is a Kickstarter project, $4 Million+ and people expect EVERYTHING. Sheesh. Give Obsidian a flippin' break. Romances are one of the most complex narratives to implement in THIS TYPE OF GAME (cRPG). This is a big ass game with a limited budget.

Ehh, if it was a priority it would easily have been doable on this budget. Romances generally consist of a series of dialogue trees triggered at various points. The Bioware model of romances is to have characters you talk to in their "natural habitat" (your home base thing), with options to be flirty. Then, after various points of the game are passed, a flag is checked and you can do the next dialogue in the romance tree. Eventually you get rewarded with a makeout / dry humping cutscene.

Old BWare RPGs like BG2 had numerous romances, arguably better implemented (in the sense that they were more organic and involved conversations in the field) than their later, high budget entries. I don't give a shit if they're in this game, but I would never say that they are highly complex things to implement on the grand scale of things.

 

[~Kinggi~]

You guys think you got a deal. I got it for 20$. Cause i Kickstarted it like a champ and single-handildly saved Obsidian. Thats right.

 

[Violet_0]

hm, I don't remember how much the game copy + expansion tier was but it looks like it was good bargain, and all I had to do was to wait a couple few years

 

[~Kinggi~]

hm, I don't remember how much the game copy + expansion tier was but it looks like it was good bargain, and all I had to do was to wait a couple few years

It was 40$, which is what i paid. But the base game cost was 20$.

 

[texhnolyze]

Can't the modders just add romance in the future?
Just like BG2 romance mods.

 

[HK-47]

Can't the modders just add romance in the future?
Just like BG2 romance mods.

Why would anyone who likes writing ever want that? Pretty much all modders are terrible writers, which is why Skyrim is still terrible even with a wonderful mod suite.

I've played with some of the BG2 mod characters. Nope.

 

[draetenth]

I just want a good game (don't we all?) so I don't care if it has romance or not... I'm happy to have supported Obsidian with the kickstarter.

Can't the modders just add romance in the future?
Just like BG2 romance mods.

Can they? Probably.

Will it match anything that Obsidian could create? Highly doubt that...

I remember a BG2 mod that allowed you to romance Imoen... I still can't forget about it...

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Will it match anything that Obsidian could create? Highly doubt that...

Well it's certainly unlikely to be one of those creepy unrequited romance things like this guy

Obsidian's attempts usually aren't the uh, conventional type.

 

[Violet_0]

It was 40$, which is what i paid. But the base game cost was 20$.

right, I just checked my kickstarter account for the first time in a year and all my backed projects are 6+ months overdue, heh

I remember a BG2 mod that allowed you to romance Imoen... I still can't forget about it...

hot

 

[JC Sera]

imo, based on what I've seen so far on the companions, I feel like adding romance options would definitely devalue some of them story wise. I love Pallegina and the Grieving Mother but the idea of romancing them seems, I don't know how to put it, counter intuitive?

Options to romance Aloth I wouldn't mind, as long as its played for comedic effect

Why would anyone who likes writing ever want that? Pretty much all modders are terrible writers, which is why Skyrim is still terrible even with a wonderful mod suite.

I've played with some of the BG2 mod characters. Nope.

Tbf, Good romance is hard to write in general in video games. Majority comes across as goal oriented and methodically PUA technique, which is creepy and gross.

 

[Dandy Lyin]

Options to romance Aloth I wouldn't mind, as long as its played for comedic effect

Haha that would be great!

 

[Kimaka]

Ehh, if it was a priority it would easily have been doable on this budget. Romances generally consist of a series of dialogue trees triggered at various points. The Bioware model of romances is to have characters you talk to in their "natural habitat" (your home base thing), with options to be flirty. Then, after various points of the game are passed, a flag is checked and you can do the next dialogue in the romance tree. Eventually you get rewarded with a makeout / dry humping cutscene.

Old BWare RPGs like BG2 had numerous romances, arguably better implemented (in the sense that they were more organic and involved conversations in the field) than their later, high budget entries. I don't give a shit if they're in this game, but I would never say that they are highly complex things to implement on the grand scale of things.

Or do it like Skyrim and have a romance y/n? medallion which resulted in the NPC spouting flirty lines at you. Even easier!

Well it's certainly unlikely to be one of those creepy unrequited romance things like this guy



Obsidian's attempts usually aren't the uh, conventional type.

Best romance.

 

[HK-47]

Why doesnt Aloth deserve genuine love? Why do you hate him, JC?

 

[JC Sera]

Why doesnt Aloth deserve genuine love? Why do you hate him, JC?

Because he's a poncy elf

Spoiler

It's also why I love him

 

[Zalusithix]

You guys think you got a deal. I got it for 20$. Cause i Kickstarted it like a champ and single-handildly saved Obsidian. Thats right.

Screw getting a good deal... I got to be a part in giving Chris a hand cramp with all that signing he had to do. You can't put a price on something like that!

I kind of feel sorry for the poor bastard. After signing all the WL2 rewards, he barely gets a break before having to sign an even larger stack for PoE.

 

[texhnolyze]

Why would anyone who likes writing ever want that? Pretty much all modders are terrible writers, which is why Skyrim is still terrible even with a wonderful mod suite.

I've played with some of the BG2 mod characters. Nope.

I just want a good game (don't we all?) so I don't care if it has romance or not... I'm happy to have supported Obsidian with the kickstarter.



Can they? Probably.

Will it match anything that Obsidian could create? Highly doubt that...

I remember a BG2 mod that allowed you to romance Imoen... I still can't forget about it...

Haha indeed. The writing could be somewhat off compared to the original writing.
I've only played a single romance mod in BG2 back then, it was decent.

 

[epmode]

Because he's a poncy elf

The best thing Avellone ever did was cut elves from Planescape.

 

[Jibbajabbawockky]

Ehh, if it was a priority it would easily have been doable on this budget. Romances generally consist of a series of dialogue trees triggered at various points. The Bioware model of romances is to have characters you talk to in their "natural habitat" (your home base thing), with options to be flirty. Then, after various points of the game are passed, a flag is checked and you can do the next dialogue in the romance tree. Eventually you get rewarded with a makeout / dry humping cutscene.

That's definitely modern BioWare's formula for romances, specifically Mass Effect, which I find really boring. But even Dragon Age with Morrigan or Alistair's romance plots were a bit more involved where whether you romanced them could impact the main plot with Alistair and with Morrigan the actual romance dialogue is really only after your character had sex with her, by design.

Old BWare RPGs like BG2 had numerous romances, arguably better implemented (in the sense that they were more organic and involved conversations in the field) than their later, high budget entries. I don't give a shit if they're in this game, but I would never say that they are highly complex things to implement on the grand scale of things.

BG2's romances were good opportunities for added character development with the companions which is why I liked them and still enjoy some of BioWare's romance plots. With the limited voice acting and no real cutscenes, I imagine its a whole lot easier to do romances in a game like Pillars than a modern BioWare game. Even then, I still recall how horribly buggy Jaheira's romance could wind up in BG2 and how often I'd have to resort to console commands to get it to progress.

So I'd actually look forward to romances in a future PoE game. They offer a nice way to add some character development that feels a bit more unique and exclusive.

 

[Dresden]

'Aerie's baby' is still one of the creepier inventory items I've seen in rpgs.

 

[HK-47]

'Aerie's baby' is still one of the creepier inventory items I've seen in rpgs.

Creepier than the elf portraits in BG2?

 

[Violet_0]

Creepier than the elf portraits in BG2?

Aerie is my waifu

 

[Sou Da]

Creepier than the elf portraits in BG2?

Hell in PoE too. That second Ocean folk male looks like that one dude that always owes you money.

 

[HK-47]

Hell in PoE too. That second Ocean folk male looks like that one dude that always owes you money.

I thought the ocean folk portrait were the best in the game. Dat hat

 

[Sou Da]

I thought the ocean folk portrait were the best in the game. Dat hat

Well yeah the first one, but that second one..

How quickly do you reckon we can get a sabre in game?

 

[jtb]

Well it's certainly unlikely to be one of those creepy unrequited romance things like this guy



Obsidian's attempts usually aren't the uh, conventional type.

Atris romance > Sion romance

 

[hemtae]

The changelog is up

Fixed Issues:

• Pathfinding should be improved. The characters will clip briefly if their path is blocked and they are not in combat. This should reduce congestion in tight areas.
• Many armors, weapons, and character heads have been polished.
• Many spell and ability fixes.
• Ranger companions should follow the party much better and get stuck less.
• Vanity pets now follow the party correctly.
• Many save and load issues relating to items have been resolved.
• Lots of new portraits have been added. We have also cleaned up some of the previous ones. These aren't all of the portraits that you will get to choose from at launch, but a fair amount.
• AoE Spells/Abilities no longer resolve if the caster becomes Paralyzed or knocked Prone.
• No cultures gave Constitution or Perception as a bonus. Now Rauatai gives Con and The White that Wends gives Per.
• Summoned creatures do now display VFX when they despawn.
• Green highlight effect used for active abilities and modals on action bar now fade VFX when paused.
• Level-up spell/ability/talent descriptions now adjust AoE range based on Intellect.
• Lights in character creation and inventory screens no longer cause bloom and unnatural glare on paperdolls.
• Queueing an ability/spell with shift+click no longer sets Shift as a hotkey shortcut for the ability.
• Spider Queen in Ogre Cave now follows nearby spiders into combat.
• Auto-pause on low Health or Endurance no longer pauses every time damage is taken after falling below 25%.
• It is now possible to replace items on Quick Items tab in inventory.
• Enemies affected by Charm Beast now change team when they are charmed.
• Firebrand sword fire effect is no longer lost quickly.
• Difficulty no longer persists between character save files.
• Class specific talents are now mentioning accuracy bonuses to weapons.
• It is now easier to resize the combat log diagonally from the corner.
• Player can no longer dual-wield pistols, wands, rods, and scepters.
• Talents that modify abilities should now all function properly.
• Two handed style description was modified to make it easier to understand.
• Wizard's grimoire should no longer appear in character's offhand while some types of weapons are equipped.
• Feral Druids are now dropping all their inventory.
• Enabling Fast mode now disables Slow mode (if active) and vice versa.
• Wizard's Essential Phantom now works properly.
• Now able to inspect spells that are greyed out in a grimoire.
• Selection circles and cones can no longer be occluded by particles and 3D objects.
• Portrait UI is no longer overlapping in 1920 x 1200 resolution.
• The Bloody Slaughter talent now has a description in the Level Up screen.
• Passive text in the Combat Log is no longer showing decimal numbers as zero.
• Save/Load Menu are now organized by date created, not alphabetical.

 

[HK-47]

Aratech trilight scopes are the only true waifus

 

[Violet_0]

Player can no longer dual-wield pistols

that doesn't sound right

 

[The Illiterati]

Seems like some really good changes. I wasn't part of the beta, but it seems to have served them well.

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

that doesn't sound right

 

[texhnolyze]

Good list overall.

that doesn't sound right

Yeah, why?
Was it too OP?

 

[Enduin]

Good list overall.



Yeah, why?
Was it too OP?

Probably a bug. Pistols I believe we're always a 2handed weapon due to the reloading of them. Probably just some exploit that let players put one in each hand.