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Nvidia Launches GTX 980 And GTX 970 "Maxwell" Graphics Cards ($549 & $329)

Well, I called up NewEgg and asked them if they could give me a code and the guy told me they normally wouldn't do it because I bought my card on 10/30 and missed the promotion by 5 days.. BUT he saw that I had purchased an LG 49" 4K TV just yesterday and gave me the promotion anyway.. LOLz!!

AC:Unity is mine now free of charge!
 
I'm currently using a gtx 550 ti with an i7-2700k and I'm considering upgrading the 550 to a 970. Is a 2700k enough to get a great value out of the 970, or should I hold off for the 960 in early 2015?
 
Ended up stopping at Fry's today just for shits and giggles browsing and ended up getting a EVGA GeForce GTX 970 SC ACX 2.0 .
Pretty excited, not gonna install it tonight though
 
I sent an email to newegg about the Ubisoft promotion and never got a reply, but I hit up live chat today and they set me up pretty much instantly. It took over an hour to actually talk to a rep, but it went very smoothly once I did.
 
I'm currently using a gtx 550 ti with an i7-2700k and I'm considering upgrading the 550 to a 970. Is a 2700k enough to get a great value out of the 970, or should I hold off for the 960 in early 2015?

Way more than enough, I have a 2600k and I've seen amazing improvements over my 680. The only game I haven't been getting 60fps maxed in is Rome 2 and that's because it's really CPU hungry, but there's no real reason to upgrade from SandyBridge until Skylake hits.
 
My MSI GTX 970 just arrived, with the promo code too. I have to leave for work in an hour though so won't get to install it until later tonight.

I'm switching from an MSI R9 270x, should I completely uninstall the AMD drivers before I install the Nvidia drivers?
 
Holy moley, NVIDIA still hasn't fixed the 16-255 issue with DP and HDMI. Was wondering why my monitors looked like ass.

My MSI GTX 970 just arrived, with the promo code too. I have to leave for work in an hour though so won't get to install it until later tonight.

I'm switching from an MSI R9 270x, should I completely uninstall the AMD drivers before I install the Nvidia drivers?

Yes. Its not hard to do and might save some headaches in the future.
 
Holy moley, NVIDIA still hasn't fixed the 16-255 issue with DP and HDMI. Was wondering why my monitors looked like ass.

Tell me about that. I noticed this while playing The Evil Within.
Good thing is, and I absolutely don't know how, that the problem fixed itself the day after. Now my PC is set to 0-255.
What I tried was using the tool durante made, but (apparently, at least) it doesn't work anymore (it crashes). After a restart or two I noticed that the color space was fixed though. I don't know, really. What I know is that I'm avoiding updating my drivers, for now. :lol I'm on W8.1.
 
I'm sure this has been covered but it's a big thread:

How important would a GPU with 8GB of VRAM be for this console generation? I've heard that it's overkill, but I don't know if the consoles having 8GB means that I will be hurting down the road with a 4GB card (like the current 970).

Also curious what to expect price wise for the 8GB versions. I assume an 8GB 970 would likely cost more than a 4GB 980?
 
I'm sure this has been covered but it's a big thread:

How important would a GPU with 8GB of VRAM be for this console generation? I've heard that it's overkill, but I don't know if the consoles having 8GB means that I will be hurting down the road with a 4GB card (like the current 970).

Nobody knows.
 
I'm sure this has been covered but it's a big thread:

How important would a GPU with 8GB of VRAM be for this console generation? I've heard that it's overkill, but I don't know if the consoles having 8GB means that I will be hurting down the road with a 4GB card (like the current 970).

I'm assuming that it isn't so simple and my 970 will beat console graphics until the PS5 and Xbox -1 come out.

Here's my personal opinion on the matter and why I chose to buy a 4gig VRAM 970 without waiting.

The 8 gigs of VRAM will only be useful in the event that a game needs more than the 4. For most games that use under 4, you won't see any performance improvements - it will be a waste of money. For the games that use over 4, depending on the nature of it, you will start to see performance improvements but how much is still in question (there's a good Tom's hardware article about the 8gig 290 cards). The question will be, when would a game need more? Higher than 1080p resolutions, Ultra texture packs, etc. But if you start using these higher resolutions and ultra texture packs, you'll see a performance hit. I'd personally much rather have a solid 60+fps at 1080p than worry about my ability to his 4k resolutions down the line. My overall system isn't built to be cutting edge like that. I want great performance on current games and 8gigs of VRAM does not contribute to that goal right now.

Even if I felt like it might make life easier, it's going to be more expensive which is going to cut into the great price to performance balance of the 970.

I'd rather take my 4gig high end card, run the games on high at 60fps for the next few years then upgrade as the standards change than worry about future proofing. It's not uncommon that by the time your "future proofing" has a tangible impact, the new generation of hardware makes your future proofed gear obsolete.

Future proofing with PC gaming is so hard. It's very difficult to predict accurately how the trends are going to move and how quickly that will happen. Someone that spent a ton of extra money getting a 4 gig video card a few years ago when 2gigs was the standard never really saw that come to fruition. Now that games are looking for 4, the top end cards are $330 and blow those older cards out of the water.
 
I'm sure this has been covered but it's a big thread:

How important would a GPU with 8GB of VRAM be for this console generation? I've heard that it's overkill, but I don't know if the consoles having 8GB means that I will be hurting down the road with a 4GB card (like the current 970).

Also curious what to expect price wise for the 8GB versions. I assume an 8GB 970 would likely cost more than a 4GB 980?

For a similar IQ to console on a 1080 screen then it is indeed overkill. But for ulra high res or multiple set up then no.
 
So, which brand is the best to get? I usually go with EVGA but have seen the complaints about their cooling and coil whine.

there are 144 pages of "answers" to this question.... there really isn't one.

Some people are impossible to please, some people are happy with what they got. I love my zotac amp omega 970s..... I havent had any issues with coil whine, they run cool, and both overclock to 1500ish mhz while in SLI.
 
Future proofing with PC gaming is so hard. It's very difficult to predict accurately how the trends are going to move and how quickly that will happen. Someone that spent a ton of extra money getting a 4 gig video card a few years ago when 2gigs was the standard never really saw that come to fruition. Now that games are looking for 4, the top end cards are $330 and blow those older cards out of the water.

Yep. I bought my GTX560Ti four years ago and it's done me very well since then. I've ignored the updated video cards until now, and sure I've had to turn settings down in the last year or two on several games, but I've still been able to play them respectively well. The new 970 is a great balance of power and efficiency though, and for 1080p gaming it's a near perfect fit.

That's why I'm looking to buy a new 24" 1080p monitor along with a 970 in a week or so, and I'll keep the two of them for (most likely) another four years. Sure, eventually games will come out where I'll have to turn graphics back again, but I'm fairly certain I'll still be able to hit a level of graphics quality that will keep me happy and satisfied even without being able to max things out. You can't future proof, but you can attain a graphical level that you are happy with at a reasonable cost.


To be honest I'd normally just keep the 560Ti even longer and wait a generation past the 970's before picking one up, but Elite Dangerous is getting released soon and I want to be able to enjoy that game at it's fullest. Yes, I am seriously spending over $600 to play one game with the graphics cranked up. I started gaming with the original Elite on my C64 and I love the franchise THAT much. Being able to crank up the graphics on every other game I own is just icing on the cake.
 
I've always like evga, and they have that 90 day 'upgrade'

Been almost a month since I entered the queue ;_;

anyway Newegg emailed me and said they'd send me a promo game offer anyway, so that's super cool of them.
 
I'm two cards in -msi and evga. Both have had buzzing under load.

Asus Strix....best cooler, nicest back plate and only needs a single 8pin connector.

Mine has no coil whine until you hit 400fps+, which is obviously never going to happen in games, will hit 1450mhz boost, 1950 memory with no volts increase and never goes above 70c.

..awesome card.
 
Tell me about that. I noticed this while playing The Evil Within.
Good thing is, and I absolutely don't know how, that the problem fixed itself the day after. Now my PC is set to 0-255.
What I tried was using the tool durante made, but (apparently, at least) it doesn't work anymore (it crashes). After a restart or two I noticed that the color space was fixed though. I don't know, really. What I know is that I'm avoiding updating my drivers, for now. :lol I'm on W8.1.
Could anyone educate me about this problem, what it affects and how I can spot it?
 
Could anyone educate me about this problem, what it affects and how I can spot it?

Basically you have to manually set Nvidia cards to full RGB colour range when going through HDMI...because the card thinks you are connecting to a standard HD television rather than a dedicated PC monitor.

No big deal really.
 
Blah, I thought MSI was good. So, is there no winning based on brand? Just luck?

I've always like evga, and they have that 90 day 'upgrade'

I RMA'd an ASUS 970 because of buzzing at low FPS (which turned into full on coil whine over 400fps). I replaced it with an EVGA FTW. I've been very happy with it and decided to keep it. I just finished registering for my free backplate and it's on its way.

Here's my thoughts on the card:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=137010868&postcount=6677
 
Asus Strix....best cooler, nicest back plate and only needs a single 8pin connector.

Mine has no coil whine until you hit 400fps+, which is obviously never going to happen in games, will hit 1450mhz boost, 1950 memory with no volts increase and never goes above 70c.

..awesome card.

id like to try that card, but I won't unless it gets restocked soon at my local micro center. I'm not dealing with any more month long rma/mail in returns anymore.
 
Thanks for the 4GB vs 8GB info guys. My monitor is 1080 so I suppose 8GB likely won't be cost efficient for me anyway. I'll save that for my next setup, which will hopefully be years down the line. Makes me wonder why consoles went with ~6GB though.

I just don't want to build a $1200 PC that gets outperformed by a $400 console.
 
Here's my personal opinion on the matter and why I chose to buy a 4gig VRAM 970 without waiting.

The 8 gigs of VRAM will only be useful in the event that a game needs more than the 4. For most games that use under 4, you won't see any performance improvements - it will be a waste of money. For the games that use over 4, depending on the nature of it, you will start to see performance improvements but how much is still in question (there's a good Tom's hardware article about the 8gig 290 cards). The question will be, when would a game need more? Higher than 1080p resolutions, Ultra texture packs, etc. But if you start using these higher resolutions and ultra texture packs, you'll see a performance hit. I'd personally much rather have a solid 60+fps at 1080p than worry about my ability to his 4k resolutions down the line. My overall system isn't built to be cutting edge like that. I want great performance on current games and 8gigs of VRAM does not contribute to that goal right now.

Even if I felt like it might make life easier, it's going to be more expensive which is going to cut into the great price to performance balance of the 970.

I'd rather take my 4gig high end card, run the games on high at 60fps for the next few years then upgrade as the standards change than worry about future proofing. It's not uncommon that by the time your "future proofing" has a tangible impact, the new generation of hardware makes your future proofed gear obsolete.

Future proofing with PC gaming is so hard. It's very difficult to predict accurately how the trends are going to move and how quickly that will happen. Someone that spent a ton of extra money getting a 4 gig video card a few years ago when 2gigs was the standard never really saw that come to fruition. Now that games are looking for 4, the top end cards are $330 and blow those older cards out of the water.
damn, i don't think i ever agreed more with a post.


That's why I'm looking to buy a new 24" 1080p monitor along with a 970 in a week or so, and I'll keep the two of them for (most likely) another four years. Sure, eventually games will come out where I'll have to turn graphics back again, but I'm fairly certain I'll still be able to hit a level of graphics quality that will keep me happy and satisfied even without being able to max things out. You can't future proof, but you can attain a graphical level that you are happy with at a reasonable cost.

substitute "24"' with "27" g-sync", "elite dangerous" with "Star citizen", and "coming soon" with "who knows when" and we are on the same boat.

Basically you have to manually set Nvidia cards to full RGB colour range when going through HDMI...because the card thinks you are connecting to a standard HD television rather than a dedicated PC monitor.

No big deal really.

so i'm assuming this is not an issue with displayport, right?
 
Thanks for the 4GB vs 8GB info guys. My monitor is 1080 so I suppose 8GB likely won't be cost efficient for me anyway. I'll save that for my next setup, which will hopefully be years down the line. Makes me wonder why consoles went with ~6GB though.

I just don't want to build a $1200 PC that gets outperformed by a $400 console.

Consoles are sharing the 8GB with everything: system RAM, OS, VRAM.

I didn't feel that my 2GB 670 was being outperformed in any way so I certainly won't with my 970.
 
Makes me wonder why consoles went with ~6GB though.
Because of temperature concerns in such a small form factor. They couldn't compete on speed and raw power, but they could stick a shit load of RAM in there.

I just don't want to build a $1200 PC that gets outperformed by a $400 console.
Worst case scenario, you have to pick a lower texture setting with the odd game. You'll outperform a console in every other way, usually by a large margin.
 
Thanks for the 4GB vs 8GB info guys. My monitor is 1080 so I suppose 8GB likely won't be cost efficient for me anyway. I'll save that for my next setup, which will hopefully be years down the line. Makes me wonder why consoles went with ~6GB though.

I just don't want to build a $1200 PC that gets outperformed by a $400 console.

I am extremely confident that the extra 2 gigs of unified RAM a console can pull from will not make it out perform your 1200 rig in any cross platform game.
 
Basically you have to manually set Nvidia cards to full RGB colour range when going through HDMI...because the card thinks you are connecting to a standard HD television rather than a dedicated PC monitor.

No big deal really.

So it doesn't apply to me using DisplayPort?
 
I am going to look at overclocking my MSI 970; I have setup a quick OC but will take a bit more time over the weekend.

Do memory clock increases help much in games?

Am I best to concentrate on core clock or try and get both clocked as high as stability will allow?

I ran a test in Unigine Valley with an OC of: +110 power; +220 Core Clock; +300 Memory without any crashes.
 
Basically you have to manually set Nvidia cards to full RGB colour range when going through HDMI...because the card thinks you are connecting to a standard HD television rather than a dedicated PC monitor.

No big deal really.

Except you CAN'T set the color range on the gpu.
Either you change it on your tv (and you have to set for limited), or you get a washed out image.
 
Take this with a grain of salt, but seems pretty likely because it's not good news for those holding out for 20nm or 16nm FinFET Maxwell cards.

Nvidia Maxwell GM200 is most likely slipping into 2016:

According to a new report TSMC has just completed a $47 million US dollar deal to purchase additional engineering equipment and machinery. The new equipment should help the company bring upcoming manufacturing process technologies closer to market. The company expects to begin volume production of 16nm FinFET in late Q2, early Q3 of 2015.

TSMC had originally scheduled 16nm FinFET mass production for Q1 2015. Mainly to satisfy Apple’s A9 chip demands. However TSMC fell short of meeting the original schedule and ended up moving volume 16nm production all the way to late Q2 early Q3. The company now seems to be targeting June/July of 2015 for 16nm FinFET. And a quarter or two later for 16nm FinFET+.

This brings us to the topic of next generation graphics cards. Namely Nvidia’s “big daddy” Maxwell GM200 GPU. Which should go into the GTX 980 Ti/ Titan II or any other name Nvidia decides to give it. According to earlier reports this GPU was originally scheduled to debut on 16nm in 2015, a leak later reaffirmed by semiaccurate. Nvidia’s plan for 16nm GPUs was pretty much the same plan for GM204. Which is to introduce the new products in the holiday season. The most profitable season typically in the semiconductor industry and many others.

It typically takes anywhere from four months to a year for a product to make it from mass production to market availability. This leaves a very tight 2-3 month window for 16nm graphics cards to show up in late 2015. But even then it’s unlikely that we’ll see large chips due to the typically less favorable yields at the early life-span of any new process node. This is not unprecedented as Nvidia suffered through serious 28nm yield issues in 2012. Which resulted in the company delaying its entire 28nm GPU lineup. And releasing its first 28nm GPU, the GK104 in the GTX 680, three months after AMD had released Tahiti in the HD 7970 and 7950.

Which is why we didn’t see Nvidia’s GK110 “big Kepler” GPU show up in a consumer level product until more than 5 quarters after 28nm went into volume production. That is if you count the one thousand dollar GTX Titan as a consumer product. 28nm went into mass production in October of 2011, the GTX Titan was released in February of 2013. It took Nvidia nearly tow years after TSMC began 28nm volume production to introduce its large chip in a reasonably priced consumer product for the first time. Which was in the form of the GTX 780 in June of last year.

GM200 is Nvidia’s large Maxwell GPU. Similar to how GK110 was Nvidia’s large Kepler GPU. And GF100 was that same class of chip for Fermi. These have historically been massive 500mm²+ chips. The sort of chips that you don’t want to necessarily put into production on a new node with dicey yields.

Full Article here:

http://wccftech.com/tsmc-buys-14b-worth-equipment-16nm-volume-prediction-begins-q2q3-2015/
 
Except you CAN'T set the color range on the gpu.
Either you change it on your tv (and you have to set for limited), or you get a washed out image.

There is a piece of software out there that will change it on the Nvidia GPU. The actual Nvidia driver won't work. I have used it for a long time and it does work. Forgot the name tho. I have it in my download folder.

Looked for it online.

Nvidia rgb limited/full toggler.
 
There is a piece of software out there that will change it on the Nvidia GPU. The actual Nvidia driver won't work. I have used it for a long time and it does work. Forgot the name tho. I have it in my download folder.

Looked for it online.

Nvidia rgb limited/full toggler.
This one?

Nvidia-RGB-Full-Limited-Range-Toggler_1.png
 
I... don't care enough :P

Anyway, it's hilarious and sad that NV still (note that I wrote "Apparently this has been a known problem for years" in 2012) hasn't fixed this. Is it so hard to put a checkbox in the control panel?
 
Why is there a fucking softpedia watermark in a screenshot of my program, and how do I make them stop?

I linked the first image off google because I was to lazy to find the post in you blog, sorry. :lol

Still, I'd like to know if it was this that fixed the color range for me. And if it work even if it crashes.

I... don't care enough :P

Anyway, it's hilarious and sad that NV still (note that I wrote "Apparently this has been a known problem for years" in 2012) hasn't fixed this. Is it so hard to put a checkbox in the control panel?

Especially when you have the option to force Full range when creating a custom res.
 
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