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[Golnei]

Would snake count as a semi-clone?

Only if you're willing to count Samus as a Link clone.

maybe it;s in the Wii U version? Doubt the 3ds could handle high quality video that well in terms of compression

The How to Play sequence is a video, so it's not like it couldn't have been implemented, but I do think it was omitted for space reasons. In addition, perhaps the intro on the Wii U version will also include unlockable characters, which would compensate for them not having CGI intros of their own.

 

[Crayolan]

This has become the Smash anti-hype thread, lol.

Guys, remember that this is the first portable entry in the series. It was always gonna be more limited in size compared to the console versions. I have a feeling that the Wii U version will surprise everyone, considering how little we actually know about it.

Yep. People are getting too pessimistic about the Wii U version. I'm not sure why people think disappointing 3DS version=disappointing Wii U version instead of thinking disappointing 3DS version=more time and budget saved for the Wii U version.

 

[oreomunsta]

Sure a lot of people here are still very much hyped for the game, me included. Talking about the negatives doesn't remove us from that.

I'm just a little surprised at the recent "dehyping" happening, I suppose. We've known what there is (and isn't) in the game now for a while, it's not particularly new...

 

[random25]

? Luigi's been getting progressively less cloney with each iteration of Smash. By this point, he isn't a clone by any stretch of the imagination.

And "semi-clone" is, if nothing else, a useful way of describing characters. Lucas isn't a Ness clone, but he's much closer to Ness than he is to, say, Peach, to whom he's entirely unrelated. All "semi-clone" denotes is a sort of family resemblance: many of their moves are similar, or the same but with a few mechanical tweaks (e.g., both Ness and Lucas have PK Thunder, but they work differently,) and they have a handful of unique moves, too.

Just saying that I agree that the 1st clone was Luigi, and became a character of his own ever since, starting with the addition of side special.

If semi-clones are a thing, then Luigi too falls under that category. Just like Luigi who still shares movesets up to now from Mario and is still close to Mario than any other character yet you consider him a character of his own.

Lucas is the same as Luigi because while he shares some movesets with Ness, a lot of his are unique to him, like his snake grab, has no yoyo and baseball bat but instead uses a stick and his PSI powers. Same with Wolf and Falco.

 

[zroid]

*Enters thread*

Hey guys! You ready for-

hype deflating news/negativity

Goddammit its happening again

there's no time for dehyping, THREE DAYS BRO

 

[Zek]

Yeah, Luigi is a clone since N64.

But no, there are no such thing as a semi-clone. Either you are a clone or not. And Brawl really defined each character to be their own thing, as much as people hate the changes.

Spoiler

Especially Falco kicking his shine lol

Luigi has completely original moves for about half of his specials and attacks. Calling him a clone is far too dismissive when there are far more derivative characters on the roster like Lucina, Dr Mario and Dark Pit who are all just stat-tweaked copies of the original.

 

[HiroTSK5]

Wonderful job, the coolest part of all of the trailers.

 

[Unbounded]

Are people really losing hype because of the lackluster single player

in a smash brothers game

that we've known about since forever

Yeah.

Seriously folks, Smash's appeal/strength has always been the multiplayer. Losing hype because of singleplayer is like losing hype for a pokemon game because it doesn't have secret bases and contests.

HOW DO THESE LOAD SO FAST!?

 

[Durden77]

People are just gettin testy and cranky because...

 

[Fandangox]

Reyn would be proud.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Actually, the original Smash Bros. had a clone in Luigi, If you want to count him.
And I believe the term you are looking for in Brawl are "semi-clones".

That was just a bonus for 64 back then so it's excusable.

And no. By the time Melee came out, the "clones" in other games like SF Alpha were on the same level as in Brawl (that is, characters that stood out on their own despite being derived by an existing character). There's no such thing as semi-clone. I'd like to call Melee clones as "padding".

 

[The Great Gonzales]

Ah, he still shares quite a few normal moves. Nair, Dair, UAir, Down Smash, Up Smash... 'Course he still has some similar specials, like the neutral B, and up B. I say he's best classified as a semi-clone at this point.

Just saying that I agree that the 1st clone was Luigi, and became a character of his own ever since, starting with the addition of side special.

If semi-clones are a thing, then Luigi too falls under that category. Just like Luigi who still shares movesets up to now from Mario and is still close to Mario than any other character yet you consider him a character of his own.

Lucas is the same as Luigi because while he shares some movesets with Ness, a lot of his are unique to him, like his snake grab, has no yoyo and baseball bat but instead uses a stick and his PSI powers. Same with Wolf and Falco.

Very true. I misunderstood you when you said Luigi was a clone "since 64," and reacted in much this way:

Luigi has completely original moves for about half of his specials and attacks. Calling him a clone is far too dismissive when there are far more derivative characters on the roster like Lucina, Dr Mario and Dark Pit who are all just stat-tweaked copies of the original.

Still, I think Luigi's at the far end of the semi-clone spectrum. Even though he shares some moves with Mario, he feels so different when you're actually playing as him - feels different in a way that Ness and Lucas don't, at least to me.

 

[FleetingFlowAir]

I think I'm going to stop playing the demo so I don't burn myself out for the full game.

Spoiler

So much anti-hype in here

So close. So very close.

 

[random25]

Luigi has completely original moves for about half of his specials and attacks. Calling him a clone is far too dismissive when there are far more derivative characters on the roster like Lucina, Dr Mario and Dark Pit who are all just stat-tweaked copies of the original.

Well I guess it was interpreted differently. Luigi started as a clone in the first Smash, so technically Smash 64 introduced the concept of clone characters in the series, not Melee, as I replied to the original post. Though after every series iteration he started to become his own thing, with his weird jump physics, clumsy moves, and attacks with ridiculous knockback power.

Very true. I misunderstood you when you said Luigi was a clone "since 64," and reacted in much this way:

I shouldn't have used the word "since" Just meant he was the 1st ever clone Sorry about that.

 

[Holy Order Sol]

Actually, the original Smash Bros. had a clone in Luigi, If you want to count him.
And I believe the term you are looking for in Brawl are "semi-clones".

The whole line of thinking is stupid. Even so-called "clones" have always been distinct enough from one another provided you actually care about how characters play rather than look at them superficially.

 

[Thorakai]

Clones are completely fine by me since the selection make sense most of the time. The only real busts so far is Ganondorf, Toon Link, and Dark Pit. The latter two only because the series they come from utilizes a variety of different items that would make it easy to differentiate them from Link and Pit.

 

[Dagobert Duck]

So my copy went into delivery I will get it on thursday

 

[KLatin Scelus]

And no. By the time Melee came out, the "clones" in other games like SF Alpha were on the same level as in Brawl (that is, characters that stood out on their own despite being derived by an existing character). There's no such thing as semi-clone. I'd like to call Melee clones as "padding".

Just in case you missed these a couple minutes ago.

A lot of people use the term semi-clone, so yes, it is a thing.

They share share some of their movesets with another character, and may have similar physics, but they are unique enough to not be a "true clone".

And "semi-clone" is, if nothing else, a useful way of describing characters. Lucas isn't a Ness clone, but he's much closer to Ness than he is to, say, Peach, to whom he's entirely unrelated. All "semi-clone" denotes is a sort of family resemblance: many of their moves are similar, or the same but with a few mechanical tweaks (e.g., both Ness and Lucas have PK Thunder, but they work differently,) and they have a handful of unique moves, too.

 

[Golnei]

Clones are completely fine by me since the selection make sense most of the time. The only real busts so far is Ganondorf, Toon Link, and Dark Pit. The latter two only because the series they come from utilizes a variety of different items that would make it easy to differentiate them from Link and Pit.

Especially considering the latter had two unused specials which could have been implemented to further differentiate themselves.

 

[mStudios]

All I know is I'm going to enjoy this game a lot!

 

[DICKS AHOY]

Are people really losing hype because of the lackluster single player

in a smash brothers game

that we've known about since forever

I feel Smash Run is way less enticing now than it was when we were first told about it, mostly because of what they didn't tell us about.

 

[random25]

Whenever I see this sequence, Gaur Plains music just runs through my head.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I feel Smash Run is way less enticing now than it was when we were first told about it, mostly because of what they didn't tell us about.

My "guess" is that there is a reason they didn't talk about whether Smash Run was online or not for months and months until right near release.

And hey isn't it interesting that Smash Bros. 3DS is the only big 3DS release from Nintendo this fall.

Edit: I am unsure how to make this more clear without actually saying it.

 

[theprodigy]

My "guess" is that there is a reason they didn't talk about whether Smash Run was online or not for months and months until right near release.

And hey isn't it interesting that Smash Bros. 3DS is the only big 3DS release from Nintendo this fall.
Edit: I am unsure how to make this more clear without actually saying it.

.....eh? there's Pokemon

 

[Feltrol]

*Enters thread*

Hey guys! You ready for-

hype deflating news/negativity

Goddammit its happening again

Time to get back your hype!

 

[Roo]

Soooo good.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

.....eh? there's Pokemon

Pokemon remake. The new gens tend to sell far better and Nintendo has to explain why this Pokemon didn't do as well as the last one.

That said, Nintendo super needed Smash to come out when it did. Really, really, really needed it.

 

[theprodigy]

Pokemon remake. The new gens tend to sell far better and Nintendo has to explain why this Pokemon didn't do as well as the last one.

That said, Nintendo super needed Smash to come out when it did. Really, really, really needed it.

well yeah, but it still qualifies as a big release

but point taken, also X/Y's legs have been crap apparently

 

[DICKS AHOY]

My "guess" is that there is a reason they didn't talk about whether Smash Run was online or not for months and months until right near release.

And hey isn't it interesting that Smash Bros. 3DS is the only big 3DS release from Nintendo this fall.

Edit: I am unsure how to make this more clear without actually saying it.

More or less what probably happened, but while it's not remotely smart business sense I'm the sort of person who'd prefer stuff to get delayed as much as possible to get as much content finished as possible.

Not being able to dick around with other people in Smash Run even locally while probably a hardware issue more than a time constraint is a huge bummer; that was a large part of the fun behind City Trial.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I think the hope was that Smash 3DS would be a summer tentpole (there's a big conspicuous hole in the summer between Tomodachi Life and Layton x AA and the hole is even bigger in Japan) and September was the last delay they could afford.

 

[PK Gaming]

yeah yeah Yeah YEAH

 

[Dr. Buni]

All I know is I'm going to enjoy this game a lot!

Me too. Both versions!

 

[Dagobert Duck]

Me too. Both versions!

Same here. When was the last time a AAA Nintendo title disappointed?

 

[Troubled Bat]

So goddamn soon!!! And I cannot wait... My patience... It has left me.

 

[OmegaSmash]

Weird opinion, but I wish that Smash 3DS was actually a spin off action RPG with a silly and over the top story line and multiplayer. I have no idea how it would work, but I'd love to see them try it.

 

[Synless]

All the negative talk about bad single player content and "not as good as Melee" is kinda lowering my hype level though.... I just need to remember....Little Mac is in the game.

Edit: Oh, and Shulk of course. And Pac-Man too!! GAAAAAH!!

It's the 3ds version.... When the Wii U version comes out and is getting luke warm reception, let the hype deflate then.

 

[OricWindstar]

Weird opinion, but I wish that Smash 3DS was actually a spin off action RPG with a silly and over the top story line and multiplayer. I have no idea how it would work, but I'd love to see them try it.

My dream is for a Kingdom Hearts-esque series with Nintendo worlds connected by a not-as-convulted-as-Kingdom-Hearts plot. I would lose my mind.

 

[Kangi]

Ness engages the Runaway Dog and its cohort.

 

[Dr. Buni]

I am glad the 3DS version is an actual Smash game like any other and not some "single player Smash" like it was speculated by some before the E3 2013 trailer. Judging by the demo, the game is far from disappointing. If anything I would dare to say it is better than both of its predecessors (Melee and Brawl).

Same here. When was the last time a AAA Nintendo title disappointed?

Does Pokémon XY count?

 

[SuperSah]

Here we go, disappointment and hype killers.

Game is far, far from disappointing.

Three more days and I couldn't be more excited.

 

[Cosmic Dreams]

When the game came out in Japan:

- Guys. This game is awesome. Can't wait for you all to play!!!

Right before the game comes out in the US:

- Smash 4 sucks. Don't buy it. IAmSoMadAtSakurai.jpg

Spoiler

we're almost there! see you all online soon!

 

[Hatchtag]

Same here. When was the last time a AAA Nintendo title disappointed?

Pokemon X and Y
Super Mario 3D Land
Mario Kart 7
Paper Mario Sticker Star

I'd argue the 3DS Nintendo titles have been much more miss than hit, though that'd get us more off topic than we already are.

Anyways, for some reason I've been not only having issues connecting online, but also have been facing more bad players than usual. Like way more bad players. Like "holy shit, how do you use one aerial in an entire match while playing as ganondorf" type players.

 

[Dagobert Duck]

Pokemon X and Y
Super Mario 3D Land
Mario Kart 7
Paper Mario Sticker Star

I'd argue the 3DS Nintendo titles have been much more miss than hit, though that'd get us more off topic than we already are.

Anyways, for some reason I've been not only having issues connecting online, but also have been facing more bad players than usual. Like way more bad players. Like "holy shit, how do you use one aerial in an entire match while playing as ganondorf" type players.

3D Land and Mario Kart 7 disappointed?

 

[Gonzo The Great]

ITT: People aren't allowed to have opinions

 

[Neoxon]

Why am I not feeling the hype? The same thing happened with Guardians. When we get close to the fated day, I just lose all sense of hype.

 

[Cosmic Dreams]

ITT: People aren't allowed to have opinions

if you're referring to me, im only joking.

 

[Hatchtag]

3D Land and Mario Kart 7 disappointed?

It's by far my least favorite 3D Mario, and Mario Kart 7 was incredibly light on content and failed to fix issues I had with previous entries. Really didn't like either of them.

 

[theprodigy]

3D Land and Mario Kart 7 disappointed?

Pokemon X/Y is the most recent game on that list and you didn't even bother challenging it lmao

 

[PKGaming]

well yeah, but it still qualifies as a big release

but point taken, also X/Y's legs have been crap apparently

Whazzat? What's wrong with X/Y?

 

[SuperSah]

Can I ask where all this sudden disappointment arises from?