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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS |OT2| Nintendo All-Stars Battle Quarter Pounder
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Spainkiller
the man who sold the world
OK, I'm busy unlocking all the Challenges and I'm well on my way; I pretty much only have half of page 3 to go!
One of the challenges is 'Beat Classic Mode with all characters', but it won't unlock, despite me having finished Classic with EVERY single character (all 49, including all three types of Mii Fighter). Have I forgotten anything? Don't tell me I need to beat it with all the Bowser Jr alts and the Alph alt as well :/ (Especially since the Stadium-based challenges didn't even need the Mii Fighter to unlock the "play with all" challenges.)
There's also a challenge for having played the game for ten collective hours. I've played the game for around thirty hours now, fourteen of which have been in-game/in-battle. So, why won't this one unlock as well?
What am I doing wrong? What have I forgotten?
Thanks in advance.
One of the challenges is 'Beat Classic Mode with all characters', but it won't unlock, despite me having finished Classic with EVERY single character (all 49, including all three types of Mii Fighter). Have I forgotten anything? Don't tell me I need to beat it with all the Bowser Jr alts and the Alph alt as well :/ (Especially since the Stadium-based challenges didn't even need the Mii Fighter to unlock the "play with all" challenges.)
There's also a challenge for having played the game for ten collective hours. I've played the game for around thirty hours now, fourteen of which have been in-game/in-battle. So, why won't this one unlock as well?
What am I doing wrong? What have I forgotten?
Thanks in advance.
Holy Order Sol
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So you enjoyed the shitstorm?
balladofwindfishes
Member
Hey, a reboot where long standing, well known vets are replaced with nobodies might just be K Rool's best chance to get in Smash!
There was a little bit of an outcry, but nothing that would seriously change people's attitudes towards buying the game. Jigglypuff, Diddy Kong, WFT, ROB, Greninja, Lucario, Charizard, Toon Link, Meta Knight, Ike, Sheik, Zero Suit Samus, Olimar, Ganondorf and Falco are characters which would similarly not be missed.
I missed it. A lot of people were upset with Marvel cuts but the game was better for the cuts, in my opinion. The roster size is reaching the breaking point and they'll have to do something.
KittenMaster
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Cut Luma, replace with Chiko.
balladofwindfishes
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I imagine the majority of Marvel's cuts were not to reboot the series, but because of Marvel's licensing. Nintendo doesn't have that problem, if they want to chuck in any old random character like Falco and keep them around forever, they can easily do so.
They cut Mega Man.
That's more because Megaman is largely seen as an obsolete embarrassment to Capcom, though.
Ehh...Jiggly, Shiek , falco, and Dorf being cut would definitely disappoint people. /melee vets.
Of course the rest too.
balladofwindfishes
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I think cutting any of those characters would disappoint people. Smash's roster runs really lean, all things considered. The only fat are stuff like Lucina and Dark Link and those characters never last long in the Smash series (although Doc's managed to hang around despite being fat).
There's a decent amount of fat, in my opinion. Sheik and Zero Suit for example. Both are great characters with original movesets, but have appeared in only one game each. And as far as I can tell, they're mostly liked by competitive players, not the general fanbase. They're cuttable.
balladofwindfishes
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If your going to replace a character with a near identical character, why bother cutting the first character? Smash Bros would just make a clone.
As far as I know, no other Fire Emblem lord is as rough around the edges and muscular as Ike, so fitting his brute strength sword fighting technique to another character would actually be more challenging than you think
Sorry, Diddy kong, Jigglypuff and Meta knight would not be missed?
2 of them have been highly requested since the days of Melee and one of them has been a staple from the first game.
They Would be missed.
If they're not even going to bother to make Ike's moveset viable, they might as well cut him altogether.
Also, Hector is the literal blueprint for Ike, (Rough & Strong), so there's always him. No way they'd go backwards, though.
I'm kinda scared Marvel may force Capcom to do this with MvC4 if it happens.
X-23 -> Gamora, Wolverine -> Drax, Jean Grey/Phoenix -> Captain Marvel, Sentinel -> Groot, Magneto -> Ronan, etc.
Anyway, should I move my Smash pre-order to College Station?
This is true but Capcom really wanted to avoid having a bunch of "clones" like they did in MvC2 so no Dan, Sakura, or Ken.
Hector exists, and Priam shows that Intelligent Systems like the character enough to create others in a similar mould. Perhaps FE14's lead will fill that archetype.
But in general, I don't think that fits the mentality of character additions so far - it seems more likely that a cut character will be 'replaced' in terms of dev resources with something completely different rather than a facsimile of their archetype.
Not identical, only taking inspiration from what made the original interesting. Haggar has command grabs, the cyclone, and the drop kick. The rest is mostly an original moveset.
Wolf is a good example of this, actually. He had an entirely original moveset that drew inspiration from Fox. Lucario is also a very distant cousin of Mewtwo.
P.S. Ike isn't even muscular in Brawl.
They kept Akuma because he helped start the MvC series. As for Marvel, they choose whoever they damn well please (mainly for marketing). Sentinel & Shuma only got in because Capcom literally begged for them (& even then, Marvel only allowed Shuma as DLC).
Smash roster will never get a hard reboot in the same way that Marvel's roster did. (Edit: Totally forgot to mention the context of Marvel side characters being a thing based on their licensing, good point Neoxon.) If anything a few will just cycle out while new hotness jumps on board. I could see something like Lucina being replaced by the lead of FE14 if they have a more unique mold and fighting style unto themselves than Chrom, herself and the tenured Marth and Ike. Likewise I could see something like more Olimar/Alphs happening with new Villagers in the future from Animal Crossing. I can also see things like omitting full on clones like Dr. Mario and using that position for someone wholly new.
On a side note, nobodies is a bit of a strange criticism to leverage against the cast when everyone on the Marvel side has a large following from their comic book lineage.
Smash has a big 8 (Super Mario Bros, Donkey Kong, The Legend of Zelda, Metroid, Kirby, Pokemon, Star Fox, Kid Icarus) a strong 9 & 10 (Animal Crossing & Fire Emblem) and a few satellite series (Yoshi and Wario around Mario) along with a bunch of retros or single character series that are pretty iconic. While I do see a roster shake up happening in the future, I don't think it's going to be as easy as "scrap X; add vaguely similar Y" so much as looking through the number of characters a franchise has and allotting newcomers more strictly.
This can't be real.
Seriously.
Ganondorf?
Ganondorf?
SmashGAF may you never have any say in the development of these games.
On a side note, nobodies is a bit of a strange criticism to leverage against the cast when everyone on the Marvel side has a large following from their comic book lineage.
Smash has a big 8 (Super Mario Bros, Donkey Kong, The Legend of Zelda, Metroid, Kirby, Pokemon, Star Fox, Kid Icarus) a strong 9 & 10 (Animal Crossing & Fire Emblem) and a few satellite series (Yoshi and Wario around Mario) along with a bunch of retros or single character series that are pretty iconic. While I do see a roster shake up happening in the future, I don't think it's going to be as easy as "scrap X; add vaguely similar Y" so much as looking through the number of characters a franchise has and allotting newcomers more strictly.
This can't be real.
Seriously.
Ganondorf?
Ganondorf?
SmashGAF may you never have any say in the development of these games.
balladofwindfishes
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The second most important character in the Zelda universe isn't important enough for Smash
The second most important character in the Zelda universe isn't important enough for Smash
I think you mean 3rd most important behind Zelda and Link.
Inferno313
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Not to be pedantic, but Animal Crossing is significantly bigger than Star Fox or Kid Icarus, probably Metroid at this point too. Fire Emblem probably outranks Star Fox and Kid Icarus after the success of Awakening.
Aaronrules380
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The second most important character in the Zelda universe isn't important enough for Smash
I'd argue he's the third most important, not second
balladofwindfishes
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Zelda really isn't as important as Ganon. Ganon is the reason Link has to do what he does, the underlying evil within the world that creates monsters and other villains is because of Ganon (or rather, Demise's spirit in Ganon, but I tend to ignore that)
Most of the games she's been in she's spent the majority of it stuck in a crystal, kidnapped, or sleeping.
But Lucina is the lead in FE14...
Probably not, but I can see them revisiting that cast of characters. They could easily have Lucina and her generation be the main characters.
AC has outsold Kid Icarus and probably Star Fox. It is also probably near Metroid, if it hasn't already surpassed it. New Leaf has sold about 7.5 million copies. It is certainly one of Nintendo's top tier franchises now. They could pull so many characters from that game alone. Nook, Isabelle, KK Slider etc.
Maybe so, but it's not called the Legend of Ganondorf.
And he doesn't appear in every game, unlike Zelda (except Majora's Mask, I guess).
Aaronrules380
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I'd argue that while Ganon is definitely more important in the early games (Zelda 1, LTTP, And Twilight Princess all put Ganon above Zelda, and Zelda II they're both kind of equally backgroundy with maybe a little more importance to Zelda), Zelda is more present in the series and has gained a lot more importance to a lot of the modern games. And there are more games where Zelda shows up than Ganon.
Maybe so, but it's not called the Legend of Ganondorf.
And he doesn't appear in every game, unlike Zelda (except Majora's Mask, I guess).
Zelda's sceen in MM should count too.
balladofwindfishes
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Maybe so, but it's not called the Legend of Ganondorf.
And he doesn't appear in every game, unlike Zelda (except Majora's Mask, I guess).
Peach appears in more games than Bowser does as well, but I'd also argue Bowser is more important than Peach (by a lot).
Zelda only really does anything important in like 3 games. One of those she does all the important stuff disguised as a different person. Ganon is always present, and even when he isn't, his minions are (like Mobilins, which are clearly Ganon minions)
Aaronrules380
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Maybe so, but it's not called the Legend of Ganondorf.
And he doesn't appear in every game, unlike Zelda (except Majora's Mask, I guess).
Link's awakening too, but neither appeared there
Unless you're willing to count the Nightmare's Ganon form.
The second most important character in the Zelda universe isn't important enough for Smash
The funny part is even if I didn't completely agree with Golnei there, I could see the logic until dorf was mentioned.
If Toon Link never branches out and does things reflective of the part of the Zelda series where he's the main character (i.e use the Windwaker, have a Phantom Zelda doing things with him, use the Four Sword, Minish Cap, etc), then they should consolidate him into one Link incarnation for Smash and do an improv'd alt for him. People would still rage out though.
Charizard getting cut would be worse than losing Mewtwo. Easily.
Falco, Shiek, ZSS, MetaKnight, Jigglypuff and Diddy Kong all occupy that interesting cross space between breakout mainstream success/acceptance and popularity/notoriety in competitive circles to differing degrees. You could make arguments for Jigglypuff (old; only reason for existing currently is because she's one of the perfect attendees), Shiek (relevant to a grand total of one Zelda game) Zero Suit Samus (see previous reasoning and apply to Metroid series; stands as a filler character for lack of big obvious headliners from that franchise), and to a much more subdued degree Falco (not de-cloned enough [as silly as this one may be given Mario & Luigi]), but at this point it really reads like cuts for the sake of cuts.
Olimar's removal sounds like something that makes "sense" given his relative lack of popularity in the Smash series and wonky play style, but what happens to Pikmin fans? Are they doomed to the same fate as Ice Climber mains/fans because he doesn't come from the Mushroom Kingdom, Hyrule or have blue hair or an overly perky commander figure?
Oh I don't doubt this, I was just going off the first trailer montage in my head while making that post. :lol
Aaronrules380
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She does? I can't really think of a Mario Game where all three don't appear. And Zelda's beein very important in more than three games. She's played a pretty major role in every 3D Zelda game (Shiek in OoT, Tetra (and a huge part in the final battle) in WW, Helped in the ganondorf battle in TP, Skyward Sword has her at the center of the game's story,and her relationship with Link is IMO a defining feature of the game's story even if it doesn't develop much, Spirit Tracks has a HUGE focus on Zelda) And doing stuff isn't the only way a character can be important, since they can hold a huge narrative significance without actually fighting
Super Mario Land.
But, yeah. I agree that Zelda is pretty important. Let's just say Ganon and Zelda are equally important to the series.
balladofwindfishes
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Super Mario Bros 2 USA. Bowser also plays a minor role in Paper Mario Thousand Year Door, while Peach is more important in that game. Other than Yoshi's Island, Bowser hasn't appeared without Peach.
Anyway, they flooded the entire planet to stop Ganon in Wind Waker. He's the reason they live their lives the way they do and the entire reason the great sea exists. Zelda also spends the second half of the game locked away and/or kidnapped.
Ocarina of Time and Skyward Sword are both good examples of Zelda, but the latter she spends the first half kidnapped and the second half frozen, so her importance is a little debatable. Ocarina of Time she's definitely important, but Ganondorf is also incredibly important in that game, so they're kind of tied. OoT is the first game you really get to see Ganon's evil's impact on the lives of Hyrule.
Aaronrules380
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Super Mario Land.
But, yeah. I agree that Zelda is pretty important. Let's just say Ganon and Zelda are equally important to the series.
Peach wasn't in that, Daisy was. I actually did think of one, which is Super Mario Bros 2 USA version, but that's only the case because it wasn't originally a mario game
If that Nov 21st is real then I am fine. I have HW and B2 to hold me over.
Aaronrules380
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Again, I'd argue that Ganon was definitely more important early on, but as times gone on Zelda has become more important to the franchise and ganon less.
Yeah, that was my point. Peach and Bowser weren't in any of the Mario Land games.
And where was Ganon in Skyward Sword, EH!?
Aaronrules380
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Yeah, but I was referring to the assertion the peach appeared more than Bowser, so games where neither showed up aren't relevant. And given that each has had only one time appearing without the other (since peach wasn't in Yoshi's Island, but Bowser was), they've appeared equally often. Unlike Ganondorf, Bowser has appeared in capacities beyond just villain in his own series, so he's more integral to the Mario franchise than Ganondorf is to Zelda
Holy Order Sol
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questioning Ganon's importance in any way
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Well, I definitely agree with that last part. Thinking on it, I think you may be right about Bowser and Peach appearing equally. SMB2 obviously has Peach but no Bowser, but Yoshi's Island has Bowser with no Peach.
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