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I'm all for supporting Mike Brown and what happened to him, and the whole situation in Ferguson. But as a white person, this kind of offends me. I'd like to not be lumped with the bigots please.

 

[Infinite]

I'm all for supporting Mike Brown and what happened to him, and the whole situation in Ferguson. But as a white person, this kind of offends me. I'd like to not be lumped with the bigots please.

This bingo sheet isn't doing that.

 

[CrankyJay]

everything in that bingo sheet is either dismissing what actually happened in one form or another or making it about looting/rioting instead, or is just super duper obviously racist. you can certainly think looting and violence isn't the answer (i feel that way) but realize that the situation at hand is repulsive and that things need to change.

as for obama, his job is to waffle around in the middle of every issue. if he came out and said he thought mike brown got gunned down in cold blood, it would set off mass pandemonium for sure. his words carry a ton of weight, even for those who don't support him.

Honestly, the MLK square doesn't belong on there.

 

[More_Badass]

I'm all for supporting Mike Brown and what happened to him, and the whole situation in Ferguson. But as a white person, this kind of offends me. I'd like to not be lumped with the bigots please.

And it's not just "white people". My family/dad is Hispanic and my family lived in the Bronx for generations. You don't have to be white to have racist opinions

 

[BFIB]

This bingo sheet isn't doing that.

Replace white with bigots, and then it's pretty accurate.

On a side note, I missed a lot of what happened last night. So the rioters returned.

 

[Saganator]

I'm all for supporting Mike Brown and what happened to him, and the whole situation in Ferguson. But as a white person, this kind of offends me. I'd like to not be lumped with the bigots please.

I'm white, and I'm not offended at all. I've seen a lot of this crap posted on my Facebook, all by white people. Perhaps the title, "White Conservative Opinion Bingo" would be more accurate.

 

[captive]

disgusting, yet not surprising.

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hilariously sad.


I'm disappointed some out of town assholes would attempt to riot and loot, not surprised at all media will choose to ignore that part and just say "the protestors turned violent". Props to any media that isn't.

 

[Jacksinthe]

This bingo sheet isn't doing that.

"White Opinions"

Yep. Sure is.

 

[Velcro Fly]

the only thing remotely offensive about that bingo card is that it isn't necessarily limited to just whites. i didn't even notice the title (i'm not personally offended)

 

[Blood Diamonds]

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Fuck I need to print this and put it on my wall.

 

[Jado]

And I really don't like police brutality, income inequality, the need for affirmative action, discriminatory hiring practices, the glass ceiling for minorities, stop n frisk, white flight,the lack of empathy for blacks in general, the private prison industry,disparities in arrest sentencing and conviction rates, the irrational fear most whites have of black people etc... Catch my drift? America doesn't know how to act and is drunk on stupid when it comes to black people, period. Whitey's gonna white unfortunately.

I have over 3 decades of anecdotal experience interacting with and hearing white people speak and study upon infinite study back up the pervasiveness of racist thinking and racist actions from the majority.

YoungHav's post isn't as extreme as some of you are making it out to be. What transpired in Ferguson isn't just the result of one bad cop, one incompetent police chief or even one poorly run PD. There is definitely a prevailing mentality in every corner of America that "racism exists... but just not HERE where I live... and not within ME." I know some of you feel that this is a personal attack on you or your friends and family, but it's not. It's just reality about how Americans in general consider and treat those they deem below them. To some extent, everyone holds negative or stereotypical views of others who are different, even if only in a subtle manner. It just so happens that white people are in a position to take those negative sentiments much further and act them into official policies that affect minorities in a terrible way.

I truly believe the officer who shot to death that black kid is not unique in the slightest and could have been any of millions of Americans, including people posting here.

 

[Infinite]

Honestly, the MLK square doesn't belong on there.

I think it does. Maybe not in the way it's presented but there's something to be said about people who do that and their narrow perspective on history. Remember that image from fox news that was floating around here?

 

[The Lamonster]

This bingo sheet isn't doing that.

ehh actually it's incredibly unfair and quite possibly racist in and of itself.

It should say "shallow opinions" or "social media opinions" etc.

 

[Jacksinthe]

ehh actually it's incredibly unfair and quite possibly racist in and of itself.

You think?

But hey, I guess the answer to racism is more racism, right?

Its disgusting and shameful.

Edit: its shit like this that impedes the progress of actually fucking getting somewhere in racial discussion. Blanket statements do nothing but fan the flames of hatred. Again, shameful.

 

[Infinite]

ehh actually it's incredibly unfair and quite possibly racist in and of itself.

Ok I can see where this going and I want no part of it. If you're more offended by bingo sheet instead of the fact that these are actual things people are saying and doing in regards to ferguson then you need to reevaluate somethings. You might be apart of the problem.

 

[Daniel B·]

If Michael Brown had just committed a "strong arm" robbery (if you watch the CCTV footage of the robbery, this phrase characterises the robbery perfectly), minutes before his deadly confrontation with the Ferguson police, to say the robbery has absolutely no bearing on the incident is likely bogus. Sooner or later Brown would most likely be expecting to be confronted by the police, over the robbery, and his demeanor would likely reflect this (especially, so soon after the robbery). He was not just some carefree guy, strolling down the street with a friend.

Even if the officer was confronting Brown over the robbery, which by all accounts, he was not, that of course does not mean the officer had the right to execute Brown, for the slightest provocation.

Hopefully the investigation will uncover most likely what really happened (I signed the White House petition for mandatory police cameras). In lieu of video evidence, how about the witnesses and the police agree to an independent lie detector test?

 

[BFIB]

Ok I can see where this going and I want no part of it. If you're more offended by bingo sheet instead of the fact that these are actual things people are saying and doing in regards to ferguson then you need to reevaluate somethings. You might be apart of the problem.

I've been vocal about this entire situation from the start. Doesn't mean I can't also be offended by something that refers to my race.

But I agree, this thread needs to stay on topic.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Ok I can see where this going and I want no part of it. If you're more offended by bingo sheet instead of the fact that these are actual things people are saying and doing in regards to ferguson then you need to reevaluate somethings. You might be apart of the problem.

The problem is it implies "all white people" which in effect makes it a racist and bigoted post. Something a lot of people here appear to be against.

 

[CrankyJay]

I think it does. Maybe not in the way it's presented but there's something to be said about people who do that and their narrow perspective on history. Remember that image from fox news that was floating around here?

That is fair.

Just two things come to mind.

1. Seeing the image out of context, it seemed worse than it was when actually viewing the video. Even then you get a sense that a Fox News was generalizing what was happening in Ferguson.

2. The Antonio French Twitter feed from last night put MLKs words into practice and it seemingly worked. The majority of good people did a great job at keeping the looters at bay, and even changing some of their minds. It's proof that stuff like this works, but I can also understand why black people wouldn't appreciate white people throwing that at them like Fox did.

 

[Nokagi]

Already posted?

Well that was helpful.

 

[The Lamonster]

Ok I can see where this going and I want no part of it. If you're more offended by bingo sheet instead of the fact that these are actual things people are saying and doing in regards to ferguson then you need to reevaluate somethings. You might be apart of the problem.

So suddenly because of the color of my skin, my opinions are lumped into this group of racist opinions in the bingo squares and now I might be part of the problem because I take offense to that? Makes no damn sense.

It's silly because we both agree they the majority of those squares are shitty things to say about the Ferguson situation. Just leave me out of it please, because I'm not a racist. As I said above, my issue is with the title that says "white people."

 

[Zornack]

Ok I can see where this going and I want no part of it. If you're more offended by bingo sheet instead of the fact that these are actual things people are saying and doing in regards to ferguson then you need to reevaluate somethings. You might be apart of the problem.

How does pointing out that the poster is racist and inflammatory mean they think the poster is more offensive than what is happening in Ferguson?

 

[vas_a_morir]

I guess white people just aren't allowed to have opinions then...?

You guys realize even the president has expressed some of these sentiments, right?

He's half-white. That's the only explanation. /s

Personally, I find these kind of racially stereotypical posts to be a bit tasteless, especially given the outrage is partially about stereotyping based on the color of one's skin. We're all individuals, free to think and act however we please. I

 

[Satch]

If the worst thing that happens to you today is that bingo card, I think you'll be fine.

 

[lednerg]

If Michael Brown had just committed a "strong arm" robbery (if you watch the CCTV footage of the robbery, this phrase characterises the robbery perfectly), minutes before his deadly confrontation with the Ferguson police, to say the robbery has absolutely no bearing on the incident is likely bogus. Sooner or later Brown would most likely be expecting to be confronted by the police, over the robbery, and his demeanor would likely reflect this (especially, so soon after the robbery). He was not just some carefree guy, strolling down the street with a friend.

Even if the officer was confronting Brown over the robbery, which by all accounts, he was not, that of course does not mean the officer had the right to execute Brown, for the slightest provocation.

Hopefully the investigation will uncover most likely what really happened (I signed the White House petition for mandatory police cameras). In lieu of video evidence, how about the witnesses and the police agree to an independent lie detector test?

We already know that Michael Brown was shot multiple times. There is absolutely no justification possible for that.

 

[CrankyJay]

If the worst thing that happens to you today is that bingo card, I think you'll be fine.

That's a bit dismissive.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

We already know that Michael Brown was shot multiple times. There is absolutely no justification possible for that.

This, I'm surprised people are still bringing that point up even after the police chief admitted the two incidents were unrelated.

 

[captive]

So suddenly because of the color of my skin, my opinions are lumped into this group of racist opinions in the bingo squares and now I might be part of the problem because I take offense to that? Makes no damn sense.

It's silly because we both agree they the majority of those squares are shitty things to say about the Ferguson situation. Just leave me out of it please, because I'm not a racist. As I said above, my issue is with the title that says "white people."

Dude, relax. I'm white and find nothing offensive about the bingo sheet, why? Because its fucking true. Do all whites think and say racist things, obviously not. But in general, the response to these types of events, from Trayvon Martin, to Mike Brown, to all of them is hilariously predictable, such that you can make a bingo sheet out of it. Does it mean that's what yours and my opinion on the subject of Mike Brown are going to be? No, and if they were, we would certainly have been banned like countless others who dared to enter the tread and spout such nonsense.

 

[Jado]

And it's not just "white people". My family/dad is Hispanic and my family lived in the Bronx for generations. You don't have to be white to have racist opinions

Same here. Your Latino family, like many others, has bought into European/white racist rhetoric about black and dark-skinned people. The bingo card's name is fine.

The MLK square is also apt. Too often MLK is evoked by conservatives to make a denigrating point about black culture.

 

[NEOPARADIGM]

it should just say "idiot opinions" or "white-supremacy opinions" and the current discussion is avoided

 

[CountAntonius]

Solidarity people.

 

[vas_a_morir]

If the worst thing that happens to you today is that bingo card, I think you'll be fine.

It's still ignorant and hypocritical. If it wouldn't be right to do to one group, it's not right to do to another. What's so hard to understand about this?

 

[Satch]

That's a bit dismissive.

I don't care.

You'll have to forgive me for being dismissive of the #NotAllWhites derail in a thread about the lack of justice for Mike Brown.

 

[Infinite]

My black family has expressed some of those opinions seen on the bingo sheet. I don't think it's saying "this is what every white person alive thinks about ferguson" in fact it's not saying that at all. Calm down

 

[CrankyJay]

I don't care.

You'll have to forgive me for being dismissive of the #NotAllWhites derail in a thread about the lack of justice for Mike Brown.

Suddenly I don't feel welcome in this thread anymore. Sorry you feel that way.

 

[Protein]

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This is great. I've been waging a war against idiots for days on Facebook and you all keep providing the ammunition.

 

[Blood Diamonds]

somebody cross out the "two wrongs don't make a right" one

 

[Jado]

I don't care.

You'll have to forgive me for being dismissive of the #NotAllWhites derail in a thread about the lack of justice for Mike Brown.

Have to agree with Satch. I honestly don't care that white people once again want to dictate the language around these types of discussions, especially on a bingo card that brings up some good points about this overall discussion in a slightly silly way. You guys are acting exactly like the people who get offended at stuff like Dear White People while missing the bigger point.

 

[Jacksinthe]

Ok I can see where this going and I want no part of it. If you're more offended by bingo sheet instead of the fact that these are actual things people are saying and doing in regards to ferguson then you need to reevaluate somethings. You might be apart of the problem.

No. Part of the problem is perpetuating racism with more racism. It is a legitimate concern and if you cannot see it, then you obviously take an accepting stance for blanket statements regarding race because you don't see an issue with it.

Some people say and do stupid things. Some people are racist. The poster does not say "some" - it implies all. That is flat-out racism and should be shamed, not paraded around, printed and put on walls, accepted, etc - it should be lambasted and trampled to the ground like any other piece of racism.

 

[ronito]

I don't care.

You'll have to forgive me for being dismissive of the #NotAllWhites derail in a thread about the lack of justice for Mike Brown.

Don't see why we can't have this discussion without calling people out on their race. Or is that suddenly required now?

 

[Infinite]

No. Part of the problem is perpetuating racism with more racism. It is a legitimate concern and if you cannot see it, then you obviously take an accepting stance for blanket statements regarding race because you don't see an issue with it.

Some people say and do stupid things. Some people are racist. The poster does not say "some" - it implies all. That is flat-out racism and should be shamed, not paraded around, printed and put on walls, accepted, etc - it should be lambasted and trampled to the ground like any other piece of racism.

It's not man. It's not making a blanket statement about white people. Please think critically and please educate yourself on the nuances of racism. I'm not responding to this side discussion anymore because I'm starting to see it as a derail. If you want to debate with me on this pm me.

 

[abuC]

 

[Jacksinthe]

Have to agree with Satch. I honestly don't care that white people once again want to dictate the language around these types of discussions, especially on a bingo card that brings up some good points about this overall discussion in a slightly silly way. You guys are acting exactly like the people who get offended at stuff like Dear White People while missing the bigger point.

The bigger point IS missed because of the blanket statement the card makes. The card does nothing to pinpoint the ACTUAL issue of racism but instead chooses to paint an entire race as racists. That DIMINISHES any impact the card might actually make in serious discussion. It detracts from the problem by painting with a wide brush. If you have a small crack in your foundation you do not need to demolish your whole house. Blanket statements straight-up muddy the waters of discussion and breed hate.

 

[Velcro Fly]

this is like race war stuff

 

[HerbertFish]

Too late

 

[CorvoSol]

If Michael Brown had just committed a "strong arm" robbery (if you watch the CCTV footage of the robbery, this phrase characterises the robbery perfectly), minutes before his deadly confrontation with the Ferguson police, to say the robbery has absolutely no bearing on the incident is likely bogus. Sooner or later Brown would most likely be expecting to be confronted by the police, over the robbery, and his demeanor would likely reflect this (especially, so soon after the robbery). He was not just some carefree guy, strolling down the street with a friend.

Even if the officer was confronting Brown over the robbery, which by all accounts, he was not, that of course does not mean the officer had the right to execute Brown, for the slightest provocation.

Hopefully the investigation will uncover most likely what really happened (I signed the White House petition for mandatory police cameras). In lieu of video evidence, how about the witnesses and the police agree to an independent lie detector test?

Maybe I'm off base on a lot of this, but here are some things I think.

First of all, nobody is prepared to fight and die for cigs. Cigars, cigarillos, whatever. Nobody. So I can't really see it being significant. The officer didn't know about it anyway, and it seems to me to be too huge a stretch to say that Brown panicked and provoked the officer out of fear of retribution over something so small.

All of this is aside the point. How Brown acted in this situation means nothing. He could've danced, done a backflip, or challenged the officer to a duel. Because nothing justifies multiple bullets into an unarmed civilian. Nothing. Even if he'd come charging at the officer with open hands ready to fight. The officer, as someone trained and paid to handle these situations and preserve the peace, shouldn't have been armed with a weapon, or should not have reached for the lethal weapon in his arsenal. He should've gone for less lethal means of subduing someone. And that cannot be debated.

I mean, a gun is deterrent enough for most unarmed people. I sure as Hell know I was a lot more compliant when one was pointed at me. But to fire it and fire it repeatedly and hit the target repeatedly is insane. This is another one of the big points to everything, I think. There's no way this is acceptable police conduct and if this is the norm, then serious reform is necessary.

Also, lie detectors, last I checked, weren't admissible in a court of law, so that'd be kinda a huge waste of everybody's time.

 

[freddy]

Thread taking a turn for the worse .

 

[ronito]

September 8th?
Why so late?

 

[MechaX]

If Michael Brown had just committed a "strong arm" robbery (if you watch the CCTV footage of the robbery, this phrase characterises the robbery perfectly), minutes before his deadly confrontation with the Ferguson police, to say the robbery has absolutely no bearing on the incident is likely bogus. Sooner or later Brown would most likely be expecting to be confronted by the police, over the robbery, and his demeanor would likely reflect this (especially, so soon after the robbery). He was not just some carefree guy, strolling down the street with a friend.

Even if the officer was confronting Brown over the robbery, which by all accounts, he was not, that of course does not mean the officer had the right to execute Brown, for the slightest provocation.

Hopefully the investigation will uncover most likely what really happened (I signed the White House petition for mandatory police cameras). In lieu of video evidence, how about the witnesses and the police agree to an independent lie detector test?

First off, let's for the sake of argument, assume that this is a fleeing felon issue (either through the robbery, or by resisting arrest, assuming that both were felonies under MO law for a second). The key distinction the US Supreme Court made is that an offer just can't use deadly force on a fleeing felon just because he is fleeing. Deadly force, and I quote, "may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others."

Now assuming that the eyewitness testimony holds up, the next question you have to ask is "did Officer Wilson have probable cause to believe that Mike Brown posed a significant threat of death/serious bodily harm to any person when he put his hands up and said don't shoot"? And that question is even believing Belmar's line of bullshit about Wilson maybe or maybe not knowing about the robbery or displaying clairvoyance in knowing that the cigs seen (if they were) were stolen. That is what truly matters in the death of Mike Brown, not how many cigs he stole or what-have you.

That video may be tangentially related, but people are letting it overshadow the real issue at stake here.

Also, there is a reason why polygraphs are typically not admissible in court.

 

[SillyEskimo]

September 8th?
Why so late?

Gotta have time to find black owned businesses!