I find it a baffling attitude coming from a forum that is probably valuing gaming and multimedia performance, though, because IPS Is clearly worse for that sphere of uses.
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Asus ROG Swift PG278Q monitor, 1440p/144hz/G-Sync
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I find it a baffling attitude coming from a forum that is probably valuing gaming and multimedia performance, though, because IPS Is clearly worse for that sphere of uses.
diggmcbadass
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Seems to go way higher than 150% on my system. I got three different options, with the highest being way above what I would imagine a 4k user would find useful.
Wouldn't know. Seems strange if it were the case. Seeing how it is random, I lean heavily towards a hardware explanation.
Irrationally defending their consumer purchases as an extension of their own self is a central premise of hobbyist forums.
LiquidMetal14
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Sounds great. Can't afford it now but it's enticing,
CyberPunked
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Would it be possible to use this with a PS4 and a HDMI to DisplayPort cable?
iNvid02
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I think so, but it would be a waste, both the res and msp would be useless with ps4. It only has one port so you'd have to get a switch or manually change if you are connecting a PC to this as well
Maybe? It'd be downscaled to 1080p though, and would lack the high refresh rate, with none of the benefits of G-Sync.
Or, perhaps some got a TN G-sync monitor for free and can't even use it "because TN"
My G-sync monitor currently serves as a stand for the Rift DK2 tracking camera. Behind my real monitor.
That's a strong statement.
I agree that VA is the best LCD technology for media consumption, and that IPS is overrated for any purpose other than professional image editing, but for any game which is not very fast paced (and what FPS aficionados often forget is that most games, particularly most traditional PC genres, aren't) I'd always take IPS over TN.
diggmcbadass
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A native 1920*1080 screen at 27" would look better. You can tell that the resolution isn't native. But on the other hand, because of the higher res, you can reduce on AA, so the performance hit isn't straight forward.
But I definitely had to go a bit lower quality with some of my games on my gtx680, but resolution is probably the last thing I'd sacrifice when it comes to image quality.
michaelius
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Sorry but that's just rediculus - outside of small subset of above 60 Hz TN gaming displays there are no logical reasons to ever choose TN over VA or IPS.
And if Eizo quality control was better on FP2421 then even those would have no point in existence.
You are the exception here.Or, perhaps some got a TN G-sync monitor for free and can't even use it "because TN"
My G-sync monitor currently serves as a stand for the Rift DK2 tracking camera. Behind my real monitor.
That's a strong statement.
I agree that VA is the best LCD technology for media consumption, and that IPS is overrated for any purpose other than professional image editing, but for any game which is not very fast paced (and what FPS aficionados often forget is that most games, particularly most traditional PC genres, aren't) I'd always take IPS over TN.
SuicideUZI
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How is the motion blur on this thing compared to other LCD displays when ULMB is not in use?
bodine1231
Member
Yeah,I may get rid of my Oculus to pay for it. I wish I could see one in person but we don't have specialty computer shops around here,just Best Buy.
CyberPunked
Member
Oh I know this. I play everything but exclusives on PC, so I just wanted to know if I could also use it for my PS4.
dgrdsv
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Not really. I can't use TN for anything either. Don't get why people are paying money for these displays.
I have a couple of U3014 at the moment and both are great for everything from work to games. I have an IPS 55" TV which is quite good at games as well.
I would probably switch to an xVA 30" 120Hz display just to check it out - was using an MVA display for 5 years prior to U3014 - but I won't ever pay for TN display no matter how fast it is or what features it has. They just don't worth anything in my opinion due to being simply awful in image quality.
Drama Zed Nod
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Is there something in particular you would like to see?
I can always take pics and post them here.
dgrdsv
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Nope. They're completely fine at that. And they're great in image quality, that's true.
Okay. Nice chat
Must say that I agree with Mkenyon here.
I'm also using U3014 and I can see some blur despite how great the panel is in everything else.
TFTcentral test:
Yes IPS panel will always beat TN IQ wise, but all reviews seem to point that this TN panel has spot on gamma, white point and colour accuracy. This is why people are willing to fork over the money for the monitor, a gaming monitor with GSYNC that doesn't sacrifice image quality much.
diggmcbadass
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You probably don't realize that TN panels are different from each other. Viewing angles can't be improved due to the way the physical attributes of the panel is made, but color representation can vary by a pretty large amount. Rog Swift is probably at the top of that variance. What IPS can not do (at this time) however, is provide an image even remotely accurate during fast motion. If the switching time of the individual pixel is longer than the time between each refresh, than the color of each pixel will not be accurate. For VA panels this is true to a lesser degree, but show me the VA panel that can do 120hz ULMB at 1440p, because I would have bought it already.
likedamaster
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Any links to where I can purchase this, or am I too late?
Edit: Nevermind
Edit: Nevermind
dgrdsv
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I do realize that and I also realize that viewing angles are linked to image quality much more that you think on a large display panel. Using TN for anything larger than 22" is completely pointless because of how much color shifting you'll get due to narrow view angles.
16ms is enough to maintain the color accuracy at 60Hz in motion. Most of IPS panels are faster than that right now - although there are some overdrive artifacts as a result of this speed. IPS beats TN in everything with the exception of maximum achievable refresh. And I'm not that desperate for >60 Hz to dump colors, angles and contrast to boot in favour of 120 Hz.
The biggest thing I am curious about is if this TN panel is better than the one on the ASUS VG248QE. I am on an IPS Dell 27 inch that has been slowly dying over the last 6 months and I am planning on replacing it soon. I bought a ASUS VG248QE a couple months ago but the color quality was so terrible next to my Dell that I ended up returning it. Everyone says that not all TN panels are the same but I am curious is if this is a higher quality panel.
But even the blur at 60Hz is pretty intense, for any type of panel.
Regardless, on your particular IPS:
And for comparison, the VG278HE:
And once you toss in something like a low-persistence mode you go from this at 60Hz:
To this at 120Hz with strobing:
I'm honestly glad that it doesn't bug you, but they do have objectively worse motion resolution than any other panel type. Personally, motion resolution is what I find more important than anything, as I play a lot of competitive and fast paced games. The illusion of motion, I find, also helps me feel a bit more immersed in the experience. I think with the focus on illusion of motion as a primary concern with the Oculus Rift gives some legitimacy to this concept.
bodine1231
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Not sure it can be show in pictures/videos. I've read/watched most reviews and they've all stated that once you try this monitor you will never want to go back. When something gets that high of a praise across the board I want to see it for myself in person.
RTC overshoot is terrible. I'd rather have no RTC and 15ms switching times than RTC overshoot.
Am I? Or are you the exception with how you value motion response over image quality?
I'd say my demographic is, for sure. Out of my online gaming group (20ish people) the only two that aren't "120Hz snobs" wouldn't notice much of a difference between IPS, TN, or VA. They might say, "oh this looks nice", but I can pretty much guarantee that they wouldn't notice a hue change from top to bottom on their monitor. I know they would notice a difference with blur when playing CS:GO though.
In either case, they're not bothered enough to make any sort of upgrade, whether it be for better color accuracy or reduced blur.
The point you make about classic games on the PC, such as cRPGs, strategy games and the like, I think is a really solid one though. There's no question that sort of demographic would be better served by the IPS set of benefits rather than the TN.
In the same way that I find your distaste of an orange hue on Neogaf being different from the top to the bottom of the monitor an exception, I am more than willing to concede that my distaste of 60fps/hz gaming ia equally an exception. We're exceptional gamers, I suppose
In either case, they're not bothered enough to make any sort of upgrade, whether it be for better color accuracy or reduced blur.
The point you make about classic games on the PC, such as cRPGs, strategy games and the like, I think is a really solid one though. There's no question that sort of demographic would be better served by the IPS set of benefits rather than the TN.
In the same way that I find your distaste of an orange hue on Neogaf being different from the top to the bottom of the monitor an exception, I am more than willing to concede that my distaste of 60fps/hz gaming ia equally an exception. We're exceptional gamers, I suppose
Brr, don't remind me of that.
A few days ago I saw someone browsing GAF on his (TN) laptop. All the colors of the rainbow while passing by him. The stuff of nightmares I tell you.
For multimedia consumption? VA in my opinion, easily.
Generally, OLED is better at almost everything than everything else. Except for the "being available and affordable" feature
The techs all have their drawbacks. Out of the widely available stuff, VA is probably best suited for gaming, assuming a 120Hz/144Hz refresh rate and the availability of a low persistence strobing mode.
If there were a 1440p version of the Eizo Foris FG2421 available, you'd probably find that both Durante and myself, despite different preferences, would both be using it.
If there were a 1440p version of the Eizo Foris FG2421 available, you'd probably find that both Durante and myself, despite different preferences, would both be using it.
Out of curiosity, since it's pretty much garbage in your book, have you considered removing the AG coating on your VG248QE? I bought one from a GAFer that did it himself, and it's honestly much much better.
You bet.
njean777
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Brr, don't remind me of that.
A few days ago I saw someone browsing GAF on his (TN) laptop. All the colors of the rainbow while passing by him. The stuff of nightmares I tell you.
For multimedia consumption? VA in my opinion, easily.
Generally, OLED is better at almost everything than everything else. Except for the "being available and affordable" feature
Can you give me some examples of VA ? Are there monitors that are VA?
My issues with the monitor won't be fixed by removing the AG coating, sadly (I'm pretty indifferent to AG coating).
Drama Zed Nod
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How do i know which kind of panel my TV has?
I can't see it mentioned on the tech specs.
It's this one:
http://www.lg.com/uk/tvs/lg-50LA620V
I'm interested in comparing all the various screens in my house to see if if i can notice colour / IQ differences depending on panel type.
I can't see it mentioned on the tech specs.
It's this one:
http://www.lg.com/uk/tvs/lg-50LA620V
I'm interested in comparing all the various screens in my house to see if if i can notice colour / IQ differences depending on panel type.
99% sure that's VA. The only company that I know of that used/uses IPS panels on modern TVs was/is Sony.
Drama Zed Nod
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Great overview of the monitor.
I would urge anyone interested in it to watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANPX0DQxalA&list=UUgTTyN54Hljm7TqD13q8FEg
I would urge anyone interested in it to watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANPX0DQxalA&list=UUgTTyN54Hljm7TqD13q8FEg
bodine1231
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Holy crap,45 minutes? Watching now!
Asus tweeting that it will be early September now...
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Drama Zed Nod
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SuicideUZI
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yup, it's kinda long but i enjoyed it and i already own the damn thing
This might sound like an odd request but if you have a tape measure could you measure the vertical height of the screen (not including the bezel)? I want to see how it compares to a 24" 16:10 monitor
They really should have waited to announce the product. Ridiculous all of the delays this monitor is going through.
Seriously, WTF. This shit is getting aggravating.
I've put off playing so many games just waiting for this damn thing to arrive because I know they're going to be way better at 1440p G-Sync.
Zeyphersan
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So how much will I have to manually mess with the colors realistically out of the box? Or will I be able to plug it in and go?
Panasonic does IPS TV's, too.