Song name was listed here, I believe.
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Song name was listed here, I believe.
Yeah, I mean his dead scarred him, so obviously the father didn't care that much about him. Why not just kill him when the cops start investigating?
The Artful Dodger
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The implication isn't that Errol is a renegade but that he is part of the family and is allowed to act out their dark fantasies and they can take part or have complete denial of it, depending on which is convenient. He's probably not the head, but he is in a position of power because he's the one who is able to act on these darker impulses they have.
The Tuttles were the ones abusing children and having the Mardi Gras rituals. But not all of those kids ended up dead. Many lived but were damaged by the experience.
It's strongly implied that Audrey was victimized due to a number of unusual behaviors she exhibits that parallel the case. But we see at the end that she's fought through it and survived whatever internal or external forces. She's survived and is back on track, paralleling Rust's journey out of nihilism at the end of the episode.
Erroll was the one slaughtering people across the state and creating ostentatious displays on both his property. He was covered for by his family, who didn't want attention drawn to themselves. He was almost certainly involved in the child abuse, but the other victims- the ones outside the cult's preferred age range- those were all him.
Fantastic finale.
It's strongly implied that Audrey was victimized due to a number of unusual behaviors she exhibits that parallel the case. But we see at the end that she's fought through it and survived whatever internal or external forces. She's survived and is back on track, paralleling Rust's journey out of nihilism at the end of the episode.
Erroll was the one slaughtering people across the state and creating ostentatious displays on both his property. He was covered for by his family, who didn't want attention drawn to themselves. He was almost certainly involved in the child abuse, but the other victims- the ones outside the cult's preferred age range- those were all him.
Exactly. No one stops him because they live vicariously through him.
Fantastic finale.
real_slime
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yeah the scarring does indicate he was susceptible to damage as a child, that's a good point. in retaliation i'd say the evil came into him right then, the thing that made him do these awful things and make his house the way we saw it.
i think both arguments are compelling man. what a great show.
James Woods
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Yeah I have and the jump that Marty made was still dumb as hell.
orly?
Bam Bam Baklava
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I don't know if strongly implied is the way I would describe it.
The only other explanation is that, Errol grew up, became the leader. All the older Tuttles and Childress's that have been doing these child sacrifice rituals for decades, start to follow the lead of this kid that has now grown up. They are all in on the Lange case, and support having her displayed in public (this also deviates from them doing Child Ritual killings). And then one by one they either die, or go off the Radar.
All the killings get pinned on Errol.
That's interesting. Do you think the family approved of him displaying the body?
EDIT: Perhaps I'm getting too hung on the details here. I can accept that Errol + the family are all doing the same thing. But ultimately, the case lead them to Errol getting busted, while other people involved got away. I'm okay with that.
That song on youtube wasnt the song on the episode so i dont know.
This is what Soundhound returned me, but after listening back it doesn't sound like it.
Looking back, I think my favorite part of the episode might actually have been when Rust says, "This is the place" and Marty totally buys into it without a word. I got the same sort of feeling when Rust started talking about tasting aluminum and ash and Marty didn't make some wisecrack about him needing to shut the fuck up with the creepy shit, but I felt it so much more when they actually arrived at the doorstep and Marty wholly and completely trusted Rust's instincts. Showed how incredibly far their relationship had come in just a few words.
Cornballer
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Unless I'm missing something, that's not it. Shazam has "Andrew Weathers - Countless Rooftops" listed, but I can't find that track.
real_slime
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azula i'm interesred in what you think of my reply pal
It's not obvious when viewing for the first time, no, But once you see the links together parallelling other aspects of the case (the spiral, the cult arrangement, her gothic clothing) it cannot be an accident, and the writer has said repeatedly that they are not trying to trick us.
Unlikely. They were taking pains to cover up the Lake Charles case.
-Pyromaniac-
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lol I don't think there has ever been a song on any tv show as hard to find as this one. What obscure ass shit did they pull this from.
FreshCakes
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HBO Go down for anyone else?
The Artful Dodger
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I don't think it's an issue of them approving or not. He's very large and very strong and very violent. They need him to satiate their violent dark impulses, and since he is unhinged enough to do it, and smart enough to keep a low profile, they're probably afraid of him. I think Tuttle committed suicide not necessarily out of fear of getting blackmailed but out of fear of Errol finding out. Even the sister, who was sleeping with Errol was extraordinarily afraid of him and watching him lift Rust up like that implies almost superhuman strength.
Bam Bam Baklava
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What if it's all direct messages to the viewer though? Like showing hints everywhere we look. Symbols, markings, hallucinations, people. It may have nothing to do with her but rather the clues spread throughout the show for those watching.
Would be badass if the song was created just for the show and they never reveal what it is.
real_slime
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I used SoundHound at the end and got nothing
The hallucinations have been obvious. This is not Twin Peaks.
Oh, and the painting on the bedroom that's the mural in the children's psych ward. That's the one the only one that appears to be metaphorical in nature.
Syph Medwes
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Awesome finale. Glad I stayed up haha.
Can someone explain/link me to a post explaining the body in the shed for me please?
Can someone explain/link me to a post explaining the body in the shed for me please?
i wouldn't say it reduced it at all
what for?
Shazam found the song as "True Detective S.1 Ep. 8"
>_> wtf
-Pyromaniac-
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don't speak such things!
Interesting take. Appreciate that perspective. I guess I just find it weird that, these families have been doing this all along for centuries, and then they get afraid of a boy in their family that grows up and start taking orders. But if we are going with the angle that he's evil incarnate (which is what, thematically he was - with Carcosa etc.), then what you are saying makes sense to me too. I guess I just got too caught up on these families having high up positions, and going to great lengths to keep it covered up.
I think what has me kind of tripped up, is that Tuttle and co were apart of these child rituals. So that in connection with Errol being the leader, is kind of messing with my head.
Zeus Molecules
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it was a great ending, I'm about to start from the beginning this week and marathon through it just to see if it stands up under a second viewing
Given the themes of masculinity, I almost see Rust taking a blind eye to Marty's infidelity, the Cops taking a blind eye to the unusual case behavior, and the Tuttles covering up Errol's exponentially higher body count as variations on the same theme of people being allowed to do bad things because good men do nothing. (Well, not-quite-as-evil men in the third case.)
Cornballer
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Final track: "The Angry River" - The Hat, Father John Misty, & S. I. Istwa
They just put it up on the iTunes store.
They just put it up on the iTunes store.
HalfBakedProphet
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HBOGo can eat a bag of dicks. What an awful night to fizzle out on me
The Artful Dodger
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I'd assume, if they were to continue the story, that they would show you that they have an illegitimate child and elect him to a sort of "high priest" role, to do enact these evil acts.
The implication is obviously last episode when he says "My family has been here a long time", not to read too much into this, but it does imply they've been doing what they've been doing for generations, which is reinforced by Rust's explanation to Marty that the family has been up to this for a while. The Tape is in black and white, so it's probably an older video, maybe of Tuttle's first "conquest" so to speak.
Again, viewing this as a Gothic Novel, it also reinforces the fact that "evil never dies" pretty solidly.
Also, smh at the True Detective Overrated Thread...Never Change GAF.
Cornballer Always Delivers.
Cornballer
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Ah nice, thanks.
Fixed2BeBroken
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Whelp...this was my reaction to the ending...
Such an amazing series. Like a darker more serious Twin Peaks. (the feel of the show....not what the show is about)
the ending of episode 4 is still some of the greatest TV in the history of TV.
Such an amazing series. Like a darker more serious Twin Peaks. (the feel of the show....not what the show is about)
the ending of episode 4 is still some of the greatest TV in the history of TV.
Bam Bam Baklava
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I'm saying though Marty's children could have been used as tools to convey a message to the viewer. Especially Audrey.
real_slime
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an idiotic review
I believe that was Errol's father.
Edit: Yeah, watched the scene again and he says bye daddy when he leaves the shed.
real_slime
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it was rust
The Artful Dodger
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People tend to judge the show based on what they want it to be rather than what it is.
phazedplasma
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Thats not it the lyrics dont even match up.
real_slime
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just a dumb review. played into internet hopes and didn't have a view of it's own. couldn't back up it's shit and spent most of it's main points talking about other things.
Fixed2BeBroken
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Btw, I went back and read some comments people made during the show (i cant watch a show and post on gaf, I need to be zoned in)..
had me in tears almost.
had me in tears almost.
Are we reading different reviews?
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