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True Detective - McConaughey/Harrelson crime series - S2 starts June 21st

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Daaamn he is unhinged with his obsession. I mean obvious that was the direction they were going, but the magnitude of his conspiracies now...
 
man I just have to stop to once again praise just how phenomenally shot this show is. Every scene is a marvel to look at from a beauty perspective.
 
yup, people on horses and masks with a little girl in front of them from an earlier episode.

Clues are starting to make more sense. Also, I totally didn't even think about how the yellow king could have been using the chaos of the hurricane to force more people to go "Missing."
 
Damn Woody pulling out the acting chops too in reaction to that video. Man every single person on this show is firing on all cylinders.

edit: by the way if anyone still thinks it's him after that scene I don't know what to say. Best actor ever if he's the yellow king! (And where's the scars?)
 
Amir0x said:
Damn Woody pulling out the acting chops too in reaction to that video. Man every single person on this show is firing on all cylinders.

edit: by the way if anyone still thinks it's him after that scene I don't know what to say. Best actor ever if he's the yellow king! (And where's the scars?)
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If it is Marty, it's not, there better be a damn good explanation. Why would he puke after beating those statutory rape guys if he is some kind of murderer?
 
Count of Monte Sawed-Off said:
If it is Marty, it's not, there better be a damn good explanation. Why would he puke after beating those statutory rape guys if he is some kind of murderer?
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I could conceivably buy the explanation had Marty not had these extreme quite clearly emotional reactions to seeing what they are doing to these girls, probably partially inspired by the fact he has his own daughters.

There's no way the actual killer would react that way, and Woody is too good of an actor to misfire like that knowing the way the show ends.
 
Amir0x said:
I could conceivably buy the explanation had Marty not had these extreme quite clearly emotional reactions to seeing what they are doing to these girls, probably partially inspired by the fact he has his own daughters.

There's no way the actual killer would react that way, and Woody is too good of an actor to misfire like that knowing the way the show ends.
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Yeah, I think he's just a regular guy (possibly with a big dick) just caught up in this mess. He wears his heart on his sleeve too much to be a tricky murderer.
 
movie_club said:
Here is what is spoiler worthy and the answers to your questions.

And given that these notes were from before the design firm was hired and did the full opening credits it should be understood that the images they chose are obviously the most important to the story.

Another thing to keep in mind is how mindful true detective is of Symbolism and Visual Language

In fact, I would argue that they are pushing new ground in non-verbal communication



And the final most literally symbolic shot


someone please explain how this is a reach? ?????????
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It becomes more literal because there's less abstraction in relation to the show, greater parallels, and less subtlety; this is commented when you bolded "literal" but didn't lead to the next sentence which is dependant on this one. There's greater conflict following the use of landscapes, and it becomes more literal, depicting the personal hell which each character finds them in, and their consumption symbolised by the flames, and uses the religious imagery found within the show. Similarly, you're commenting on the use of personal geographies, but you're dismissing the implication that it's to "reveal drama and conflict through composition, symbolism, and juxtaposition" (note that this also infers that this is the non-literal portion, and the time from when the flames and characters begin to appear is the literal one as it's less abstract). You seem to be focusing too much on minor details and missing the actual meaning, which I feel is highlighted most clearly when you bold:

As our sequence builds into its final act....Antlers reach skywards, like a flame, hinting at the incendiary fire to come..."

You're focusing on the use of "antlers reaching skywards" and "hinting" while missing that it's hinting at the approaching personal hells (Marty's relationship woes/collapse, and Rust's all-consuming obsession), not hinting at the revelation of a killer. Similarly, when you bold "which seem extra macabre in the context of our serial killer tale" but are dismissing that this is the referenced use of the killer's iconography to "draw connections between this and the internal struggles of the detectives" and allow "animalistic urges [to] come to life through religious symbols" which are utilised within the show. It seems as if you're dismissing the context of why these are said. I would highly advise the third to final paragraph in "The Sequence" note, because this quite explicitly states what I've been trying to convey.

movie_club said:
Because they make clear the introduction takes into consideration the entire story arc and emphasize that as the sequence progresses they becomes more literal with their imagery.

I am confused as how you missed this when reading the notes.
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Simiarly, it takes the entire arc into consideration as both descend into a personal hell via the case. The literal transition is stated to be from the use of landscapes to convey characters and dramas, to the use of less subtle imagery related to religion, fire, and the killer's iconography. What I missed is how it does anything other than emphasize that the opening is about personal conflict, and the personal hell of the two detectives. Again, you've focused too narrowly; the context of this is that you seem to have ignored that the emphasis is being placed on the personal struggles of the two detectives, and the erosion of the land's state (which I explicitly stated in the very same sentence that you quoted and then elaborated further on this), reinforced initially through the landscape itself, and later through the religious imagery and killer's iconography. as it is more blunt in revealing their internal struggle. Make no mistake, I completely agree there is symbolism, but it's metaphorical, while helping to establish the tone of the show, not hints as to any literal plot piece within the show.

Again it completely underpins the show if Marty is the killer which he absolutely is not. As a character study, presenting only a portion of the character, while concealing an extremely important and significant component of his character is flawed making no sense other than to serve as a 'gotcha!' moment. All of your potential clues to Marty being the killer are extremely easily dismissed as numerous actions either make no sense, or have explanations within the context of the decision:
"He left Rust alive, no mention was ever made of him by Ledoux who was even considering going for his gun, the alleged hunting line being ad-libbed (yes, it was kept in, but you don't form a major plot point, and one of the only indications of him being a killer, around an ad-libbed line), we would have missed a significant portion of Marty's character undermining all of the effort put into the character study, Marty's absence being related to his affair and not secret murders (which we saw, repeatedly), his desire to keep the case instead of throw it away to a task force who would bury it, he interrupts Cohle after Ledoux's description is given which leads them to a far more relevant lead, the poster a reference to time being a flat circle as it starts again not a crown (calling it yellow is an extreme stretch, considering there's no colour in that poster), and the murder emotionally driven as he doesn't even know that Cohle was talking to him because he was inside the shed (and as he exitted Cohle was giving orders to "put your hands on your head" to the other assailant)" in addition to his other extreme disgust at young youths, particularly young girls, in sexual situations.
 
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