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Xbox Will Reportedly Hold An Event Related To Bethesda Next Month
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Kagey K
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You have to remember MS isn’t only Xbox, they make most of their money through other sources.
They aren’t Sony or Nintendo where if they fail most other projects fail as well.
Fucking Insurance is all that kept Sony alive through the PS3 years, so why don’t we call Sony an insurance company now?
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
You are raising completely irrelevant points, my friend. I'll go back to my original question / argument: "If growing Gamepass is the only thing that MS cares about (and the reason why Bethesda games won't be on PlayStation), why does MS not keep XGS games exclusive to Gamepass PC?"
PC players who want to play those games can subscribe to Gamepass and play them. There isn't any inconvenience there.
Kagey K
Banned
Starfield was announced as next gen consoles when the trailer released. None were specified, so we really have no idea what consoles it will or won’t come to.
But go ahead and pretend you know.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
That was exactly my point. While growing GP subscriber base is a VERY important KPI for Microsoft and Xbox right now, it is not the only thing. They also need to take care of operating profits and think about other popular platforms (e.g., Steam), and they do.
Fredrik
Member
How will they explain why they’re choosing a petty retaliation over more money to investors?
Kagey K
Banned
they don’t care about only growing Gamepass, that’s an arguement some fanboys raised here.
They care about growing Xbox and Xbox game studios as a whole.
Stop taking fanboys words and actually see what they said.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
My bad with that. I meant to include the word 'will likely be cross-gen' (but missed it). Was speculating because we don't have solid information either way.
Kagey K
Banned
They were very specific with thier wording on the announcement trailer. Coming to next gen consoles.
Id be surprised to see them take a step back, but you might be right.
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Releasing games on playstation destroy the idea of Bethesda being owned by Ms. We know it. They know it. You will not see bethesda games on Ps ...just xbox + pc + xcloud. 7.5B are nothing for Ms and if they understand that it bring a future improvement to their ecosystem they could spend even more.
Ms doesn't need that cash back immediately those acquisitions are there as a long term project. Will it fail? we don't know
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Bittermich
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no, only within the Xbox ecosystem, Xbox consoles, PC and xCloud. That’s it.
Explaininng the project as sony do when buy/spend for exclusives. The reach of users that ms have with pc+xbox+xcloud is lots bigger of the usual 100 millions that sony ecosystem have close to the end of the gen... and if they can explain I'm sure Ms can explain too. It's not a economic problem it's not a userbase problem. This problem is created just over the forums, because people probably haven't accepted the acquisition yet
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Fredrik
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I don’t have any numbers to back it up but I wouldn’t be surprised if all Bethesda games has sold more on Playstation than Xbox or PC. So I’m not sure the numbers would add up to make that strategy seem wise. They can also see what has happened with Minecraft when they left it multiplat.
And Sony has never been in that position after a studio acquisition, except when starting out and buying Psygnosis, and they only have one platform and will fight with claws to keep it relevant just like Nintendo.
MS have their games and OS and programs on PC too and while selling more Xboxes is nice they wouldn’t go under if Xbox sold badly.
I think their endgame plan is to simply get people to subscribe to Gamepass on whatever platform they can have it on, even on Playstation if possible.
Little Chicken
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Anything TES VI related would be awesome.
Kagey K
Banned
Bethesda games have sold miles more on PC than PS and Xbox combined.
You can do a quick Google for that fact.
Little Chicken
Member
It only just dawned on me that id Tech would become a first-party engine when the deal is done.
I wonder if any other MS dev tems will use it
I wonder if any other MS dev tems will use it
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I'm hearing Microsoft will never allow Xbox to lose money since the first console came out. Xbox is still here and has spent more in the last 12 months than its competitors in 10 years. It doesn't matter if a game was selling more on the platform with more users (Sony) with 7.5b Microsoft bought above all the possibility of making but privileging its ecosystem. The investment is Xbox in the long run, not the game itself. When people he will stop thinking of big companies like Amazon Google or Microsoft as if they were the local shop they will understand that certain positions are more important than others in the long run. Gosh...Google announces and closes billionaire projects every 6 months !!! without batting an eye! 7.5b are nothing if they serve to make the brand stronger. And we know full well that the exclusivity of all Bethesda games would. You think Phil doesn't know ?
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Panajev2001a
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It only just dawned on me that id Tech would become a first-party engine when the deal is done.
I wonder if any other MS dev tems will use it
The engine will be useful as it is a massively scalable engine, but going far back as are RenderWare or Frostbite... mandating their use on all games would not be good for Id (much more external support work than now) or for the other devs (which would need to fit their games around the limitations and strengths of Id Tech 7++ which is not an engine built on being a general purpose game making toolkit like UE).
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
It only just dawned on me that id Tech would become a first-party engine when the deal is done.
I wonder if any other MS dev tems will use it
That $7.5B was probably worth it for that engine alone. It's magic!
Shmunter
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PS5 exclusiveOr the meltdown if it's announced that not all are exclusive to Xbox (and PC), who knows
Starfield
Member
hello bbyThe Return of Jeff Grubb. I like that guy.
SHOW US SOME STARFIELD, BABY
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
PS5 exclusive
turtlepowa
Banned
Unlikely. There was neither a meltdown when all games were ported to pc nor when xCloud came. Also not many Xbox Fans here, the GAF is like 80% blue.Or the meltdown if it's announced that not all are exclusive to Xbox (and PC), who knows
I see 2 options after the event:
"Haha, Xbox still has no games"
or
"Didn't want to play those shitty Bethesda games anyways"
I own a Xbox and would be happy for Switch and PS owners if Bethesda games would be released on their systems. Not everybody is a fanboy clown, unfortunately many are.
Heisenberg007
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My only point is that it's not as easy a decision. MS is aware of that as well, and that's the reason why we haven't heard anything definitive (there are ways around the legal ramifications of talking about exclusives before the acquisition process completes).
Phil said it'll be on a case by case basis, and to be honest, that seems like the most logical answer to this issue. I genuinely believe they will analyze most games (not all) on a case by case basis. Some will be Xbox/PC exclusives without much thought given to them.
I think this is just Jeff Grubb's own speculation (lol he's back).
Such event doesn't even make much sense. What are they supposed to say?
Deathloop and Ghostwire are Zenimax big 2021 games and are PS5 exclusives, Starfield will probably be showcased during the E3 equivalent digital event and ESVI is probably way too early in development to be showcased outside of logos and teasers.
Other details like what they're going to do with future titles, if they're going to be multiplatform or not, if there are other contracts in place even for other games we don't know and they have to honour, it's not something to be discussed in a conference.
So yeah I think that Jeff Grubb is basically off unless this is basically a Starfield full reveal event but we'll see.
Such event doesn't even make much sense. What are they supposed to say?
Deathloop and Ghostwire are Zenimax big 2021 games and are PS5 exclusives, Starfield will probably be showcased during the E3 equivalent digital event and ESVI is probably way too early in development to be showcased outside of logos and teasers.
Other details like what they're going to do with future titles, if they're going to be multiplatform or not, if there are other contracts in place even for other games we don't know and they have to honour, it's not something to be discussed in a conference.
So yeah I think that Jeff Grubb is basically off unless this is basically a Starfield full reveal event but we'll see.
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Leyasu
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I can’t see the games even being timed exclusive. Microsoft needs to feed the gamepass monster. Once the games are done, and the support/content roadmap planned, working on ports would take manpower that could already be making the next game.
I wouldn’t hold my breath for multi platform in any capacity.
I wouldn’t hold my breath for multi platform in any capacity.
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Exactly the same way that Sony explains it to their investors. Probably the same reason that Sony uses for not releasing games on PC at launch.
Fredrik
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I tried for Skyrim but couldn’t find anything new or trustworthy. You got a link?
Fredrik
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That’s another strategy, I don’t rule out that MS could do it that way too, that’s what they hinted at - first on Xbox.
...and then PC.
Fredrik
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Xbox and PC first, and then PS5.
12Dannu123
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PC is an open platform. Someone who uses Steam can be easily converted to a Game Pass subscriber, hence why MS Releases their games on the storefront. But PS is a different story as there is no easy way to convert a PS gamer to Game Pass.
DarkMage619
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You make a great point. They need more Game pass subscribers so how will making PlayStation games help them reach that goal?
Shmunter
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By making gamepass as attractive as possible. That also means keeping the price as low as possible. Reality is it will need to be subsidised until (and if ever) it hits critical mass.
1-year timed exclusives (+ DLCs only on Xbox/PC) similarly with what they did in the past with Tomb Raider is an obvious possibility. They wouldn't discuss about other platforms immediatly but they won't close the door in PR language.
These huge single player RPGs tend to be really frontloaded. Once you have kept them exclusive for one year you have already reached all the people that would have realistically jumped into your ecosystem to play those games. At that point not releasing them on other platforms is simply losing money which can be used to cover costs or fund other stuff for the sake of it.
Microsoft in this is probably way ahead of the fans that are screaming for everything to be locked into the Xbox/PC ecosystem forever with very little financial feasibility.
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Shmunter
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That’s the most logical play
DarkMage619
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You think making PlayStation games makes Game pass more attractive? How would that work?
Why would MS buy Zenimax to get timed exclusives? Sony gets timed exclusives all the time and they didn't have to buy the developers to do so. Do you think MS forgot how to aquire timed exclusives after the Tomb Raider deal you referenced?
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Apparently it's completely logical for Sony to publish games only for their consoles, excluding all other console and PC users, and their investors will cheer and embrace it as a great business strategy.
However, MS must publish their games (though only the ones that Sony fans really want) on every system because their investors will demand it.
Sounds an awful lot like wishful thinking to me.
You really think MS has paid
$7.5b for timed exclusives? That's about 1000 times the going rate for a timed exclusive, I'm sure the MS shareholders would be really happy with that kind of financial stupidity.
Shmunter
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Timed exclusivity and gamepass including all those games makes gamepass attractive. The poster above articulated it well.
Xcloud is the pivotal point in acquiring sufficient subs for MS to lock it all away. If it’s to be the Netflix of gaming, it needs to be embraced everywhere, not just by the merge Xbox user base. Netflix would never have worked locked behind a bespoke piece of hardware. Nothing more to it.
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Fredrik
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Good point.Yes, this would really do wonders for Microsofts image/credibility. Give your heads a wobble ffs, just accept you ain't getting Bethesda games on anything other than an Xbox or PC
But first and best on Xbox looks nice too for PR, and high player numbers will make investors happy.
What? That comparison makes no sense, MS doesn't own Crystal Dynamics. That was a simple timed exclusivity deal just like the hundreds of others we've seen on both sides.
Godfall is a timed exclusive, does that mean that all Sony first party games will now be published on Xbox after an exclusivity window? Pretty stupid idea, isn't it?
MS could've got year long exclusivity deals for all of the Bethesda games for a lot less than 7.5 billion.
kraspkibble
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hope they announce starfield/esvi and all future titles are xbox + pc exclusive.
you wanna play elder scrolls vi? buy an xbox or build a pc.
you wanna play elder scrolls vi? buy an xbox or build a pc.
Exclusivity is a pivotal point in acquiring more customers. Nothing more to it.
MS could've achieved what you're suggesting without buying Bethesda.
Fredrik
Member
I only have PC and XSX, so it’s not wishful thinking for me, I’m just trying to think like MS and that means thinking about what would make them more money.
However, if I’m honest I find it rather amusing that there was a rumor that Sony tried to secure an exclusivity deal for Starfield... and now Starfield and all other Bethesda games might become timed exclusive or full exclusive to Xbox/PC. Karma is a bitch?
Bitmap Frogs
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Only fools hold any hope of these games being available for playstation.
With Sony moneyhatting Bethesda (before acquisition) to keep out Ms from games paying for timed exclusive for Ghostwire and Death loop ...I don't see how people think that Ms will let Sony have more games than her own platform. I think if Sony had no contract form on Starfield (and if they had already had it, it would be known in the same way as the other two games) it won't end up on PlayStation.
imagije First year after xbox own bethesda
Sony : Deathloop, Ghostwire, Starfield
Ms: Starfield
lol no
imagije First year after xbox own bethesda
Sony : Deathloop, Ghostwire, Starfield
Ms: Starfield
lol no
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