HeisenbergFX4
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Sales numbers means shit when you cant find anything to buy
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"Xbox Series consoles have sold less in the same timeframe as XB1" Really?
The Alien
Banned
Meh. Globa shortage of all next gen consoles probably impacting sales all around. I got a Series X day one...but haven't seen a PS5 or any new XBox out in the wild...ever. Both woukd be selling more consoles if they were enough of them
I think MS cares more about people subscribing to GamePass.
I think MS cares more about people subscribing to GamePass.
SMH
EverydayBeast
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360 RROD ruined Xbox’s reputation it’s too late to change people’s minds.
Warnen
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thismeinteil
Member
From the info we have, it's safe to assume it's accurate. From NPD leaks, we know it's behind the XBO in NA, which is Xbox's #1 region. While the XBO sold poorly in Japan, the XSX is still way behind it there. Not hard to imagine the same in other regions.
And you cant just chalk it up to shortages, because Sony seems to be keeping about on pace with the PS4 with them. So, either manufacturers are putting MS lower on the priority list, or MS is just getting a lot fewer chips because they went wide and slow, or there is less demand for the XSX. My guess is it is a little of all three.
And you cant just chalk it up to shortages, because Sony seems to be keeping about on pace with the PS4 with them. So, either manufacturers are putting MS lower on the priority list, or MS is just getting a lot fewer chips because they went wide and slow, or there is less demand for the XSX. My guess is it is a little of all three.
MasterCornholio
Member
Doesn't mean it's selling more than the X1 though.
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
Fastest selling Home console* ever. The article makes that clear distinction. It's very clear Sony was in a better position manufacturing wise, even Phil admitted Series manufacturing started late as they were waiting on AMD. On top of that it seems MS is not interested in pushing *leading volume sales* in terms of HW, instead diversifying its consumer base by adding android, iOS, PC and Smart TV customers to their ecosystem. MS and Sony are playing 2 different games within the same industry.
DaGwaphics
Member
Also a difference in how they released the system. Releasing in more regions at once must have hurt the NA launch allotment.
Superayate
Member
it is true, but clearly the overall demand is not the same and the dynamic is more positive.
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I mean.. so if the demand is lower but they are still dedicating production capacity on a console that ends up sitting on shelves instead of on the x that still paints Microsoft as pretty stupid, no? Also you are making more than a few assumptions. Just because they can theatrically ship far more series s consoles, do you have any indication they are? Any pictures of pallets with double the series s to x ratio? We know, wherever numbers are available, that the x is blowing the s out the water in sales.
Sony could make and ship way more ps4s than pe5s, and there are plenty of ps4s on shelves. That doesn’t mean they are making more.
Neil Young
Member
The title reminds me of when you watch a movie trailer and the voice over says "The number one comedy in theaters!". Meanwhile, it's the ONLY comedy in theaters. This is a true statement but it leaves out a bit of info. Same here. I can't buy the series X, it sells out in seconds. So yeah, the One sold more during the same time, but they were available.
MasterCornholio
Member
We also don't have proof on what the demand actually is. Same can be said about the PS5.
Woopah
Member
Depends on the company's disclosure policies. Nintendo put out their Wii U numbers for example.
no, xbox didnt begin production till way later the playstation, so they will always have less consoles to sell at the same point, until they get to a point where supply starts equaling demand.
this is like the simplest math that some fanboys dont want to do because it doesnt fit their narrative.
Thirty7ven
Banned
I'm not putting much stock in any sales numbers yet because I've not seen a next gen console that was easily obtainable from going to a store (in person or online). But I am starting to wonder why MS hasn't been flooding the market with consoles yet. They may have started a little later, but every other day it seems there's a story or rumor about billion dollar deals from them. Why no billions spent to make consoles more available is a fair question imo.
DaGwaphics
Member
Probably not much that can be done. Thanks to strong PS4 sales, Sony is getting some preferential treatment when it comes to wafer allocations. That's not unusual, typically the biggest buyers will get guaranteed a bigger piece of the pie when there is a shortage. You see that in all things from phones to TVs etc. MS was never going to beat Sony in number of units produced, they simply didn't have the chips available for it. Plus their most in demand model has a larger APU which just underscores everything. In addition to all that, MS might be diverting some APUs to Xcloud blades.
Obviously, MS could have sold more units in the states if they had them to sell (Sony also). Even the S is still widely unavailable here.
I do expect that supply and demand will balance for Xbox before PS, that just seems realistic given that PS is coming off the PS4. I think everyone expected the PS5 to outsell the Xbox out of the gate, that doesn't mean that Xbox can't outsell the X1 family in time, even if sales are a bit lower to start with. The X1 family lost momentum early and never really regained it outside some flickers around the launch of the 1S and 1X. MS certainly has the opportunity to use the improved first-party to keep things humming along more consistently.
Tickle My Tendies
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DarkMage619
$MSFT
MS doesn't put out numbers on how many Surface tables they sell or any other devices do they or is Xbox the only thing they don't give specific sales numbers of?
Woopah
Member
I don't think Microsoft has to disclose those number since gaming is such a small part of our business. Though I haven't read their financial reports in detail so I'm not sure what numbers they do disclosure.
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SenjutsuSage
Banned
Hardware sales are not the only battle imo. It's games, overall value and the total customer experience. If Microsoft simply keeps the promise of the games we already know about plus going Xbox console exclusive with some of Bethesda's biggest games, then not only will Xbox not be outgunned like it was in the previous gen, I'll find it pretty difficult, to impossible, to say they have a worse games lineup compared to any other platform out there. My favorite kinds of games are RPGs and Xbox looks like it will be the best place for them this generation.
DenchDeckard
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It’s a good question, do companies like apple, Samsung, Microsoft share ho many tablets or phones they sell Etc?
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TheGodfather07
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what does it matter anyway? lets face it, everyone already knows the PS5 is going to sell the most consoles. it looks like we're gonna get a great output of games from both sony and microsoft and thats all i care about. im glad microsoft are being really competitive now and sony are known for their quality already. they have a proven track record.
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Thirty7ven
Banned
Really? Because you stuck around Xbox during this gen, so I don’t see how any of that matters to somebody like you.
GHG
Member
You don't have to report those things, the only requirements are that you report financial figures on a quarterly and annual basis. However if hardware is a major part of your business and you don't give breakdowns then it raises suspicions since the only reason to hide those figures is because they are not so favourable. Microsoft can get away with it without it negatively affecting their share price because Xbox hardware is a small part of their overall business.
However if the likes of Sony, Nintendo, Samsung etc suddenly stopped reporting hardware sales figures then it would need to be offset with some chunky numbers elsewhere or it would cause their share price to tank in the short term.
As an example Apple did exactly that in 2018 and it resulted in a 20% drop in their share price for the quarter:
Apple will no longer report iPhone numbers after growth went to 0%, and analysts are now worried iPhone sales may decline
If Apple is worried the iPhone is entering a decline, then not reporting numbers helps it avoid that negative PR.
www.businessinsider.com
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DarkMage619
$MSFT
Companies will focus on their strengths. Sony lives and dies by console units sold so they will focus on that. MS cares more about services so they'll focus on that. MS stopped playing Sony's game when they focused on back compat, Game pass, and play anywhere initiatives. When you aren't winning you have to change your strategy.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
You don't have to report those things, the only requirements are that you report financial figures on a quarterly and annual basis. However if hardware is a major part of your business and you don't give breakdowns then it raises suspicions since the only reason to hide those figures is because they are not so favourable. Microsoft can get away with it without it negatively affecting their share price because Xbox hardware is a small part of their overall business.
However if the likes of Sony, Nintendo, Samsung etc suddenly stopped reporting hardware sales figures then it would need to be offset with some chunky numbers elsewhere or it would cause their share price to tank in the short term.
As an example Apple did exactly that in 2018 and it resulted in a 20% drop in their share price for the quarter:
Apple will no longer report iPhone numbers after growth went to 0%, and analysts are now worried iPhone sales may decline
If Apple is worried the iPhone is entering a decline, then not reporting numbers helps it avoid that negative PR.
thanks. MS should share them....bloody chickens i tell thee!
PooBone
Member
I'm sure the Xbone manufactured a lot more in that timeframe as well.
FatKingBallman
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Not that much later. Manufacturing date difference is barely a month between the PS5 and Xbox.
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MasterCornholio
Member
Assuming that's true it would only affect sales at launch. It appears that Sony is just able to make more playstations than Microsoft can make Series consoles.
I agree that it's difficult to gauge demand when the systems constantly sell out but I think it's pretty obvious that supply is higher on Sonys side.
the SoC reserves are exactly because of the reason xbox started production later. sony is gonna produce more consoles because of the head start. (xbox started late summer, ps early summer, more like few months not few weeks)
(also dont forget the series S has a smaller die, so they could make more of them with the same size wafer).
its hilarious people trying to paint a different narrative when xbox series consoles are also impossible to come by.
people trying to make conclusions this early have an insecurity of the product they bought.
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Woopah
Member
If they can yes. In certain circumstances companies are under obligations to report material numbers to shareholders and they have to do that even if the number are bad.
But yes I agree that Microsoft will focus on subscription numbers from now on.
FatKingBallman
Banned
Which is true. There is a clear evidence that Sony ordered double the chips comparing to Xbox. June is the earliest for PS5, July for Xbox. Statement "MS waited for full RDNA 2" crap is just poor excuse why Xbox Series are behind PS5 in sales already
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MasterCornholio
Member
You're right I was probably looking at it wrong.
It's not because production started earlier it's because Sony bought more chips than Microsoft. Now for the next wave of production if Microsoft buys more chips than Sony then it's possible that they might be able to produce more consoles.
Waiting for full RDNA2 or starting production earlier isn't the reason why there's currently a difference in production. It's like you said because Sony bought more wafers than Microsoft. Now why Microsoft chose to buy less wafers is another area of speculation.
Maybe they anticipated less demand so they bought less or maybe Sony was able to outbid (crazy as it sounds).
Xbox Series s is sold under msrp at Amazon.de ( Germany ) 288€ instead of 299€.
what does it mean? I don’t know but atleast from my experience talking with people, ps5 is heavily favored in Germany. But it was always like that. PS360 was closer but still ps3 was more popular with the people I know atleast.
what does it mean? I don’t know but atleast from my experience talking with people, ps5 is heavily favored in Germany. But it was always like that. PS360 was closer but still ps3 was more popular with the people I know atleast.
yea i can pick one up too if i live in a small market.
you know exactly what im talking about but playing stupid
DarkMage619
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Sir Vilhelm
Member
Where can I buy an S in the states? I've been looking and sold out everywhere
PaintTinJr
Member
AFAIK the UK is as important to Xbox, or just behind the US in their target markets - especially as certification for games is done here, or it certainly used to. And buying a XsS in the UK is possible, and has been possible throughout the launch IIRC.
The data from various sources(tweets) in the thread - in the first two or three pages - suggests that they've sold a maximum of 2.4m between X and S - to match X1 - yet 3.5M console were manufactured. Assuming it was half and half for manufacturer numbers(as I said earlier in the thread), that leaves 1.1M XsS unsold, and probably most of them in Microsoft warehouses, because retail haven't bought them - through fear of having stock they can't shift, because sale-or-return is unlikely to be offered by Microsoft. So the reason it isn't available to buy in the US is because retailers don't see enough demand to take on that risk - for a box that is only considered next-gen because Xbox say it is, when in reality it is trading face-off blows with a last-gen Pro or X1X IMHO.
No Way.
DaGwaphics
Member
In this market, if US retailers had access to more units, they'd grab them. The things are still getting bids over MSRP on Ebay.
I'm not sure where you are from, but in the US, if you have a product that keeps selling out, you aren't worried about making reasonable restock orders. If units started sitting for weeks, sure. But we are still talking hours, maybe even minutes on most of the online drops.
MaulerX
Member
Yes, because they weren't using chips to put in the cloud when XBO laumched (chips that could have gone towards manufacturing consoles) . The two things I outlined, when combined, have attributed to the situation they have now.
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Hezekiah
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Close the thread.
They're going to be outsold 3:1 outside the US but it doesn't matter to them anyway.
Banjo64
cumsessed
This is literally preposterous and I don’t know how you can say this when you clearly don’t own a Series S. Why spout this BS on an enthusiast forum?
I own one and I owned a PS4 Pro from launch until 7 months ago.
The PS4 Pro played last gen games at 1800p.
The Series S plays next gen games at 1080p.
I’m not sure what’s difficult to grasp about it. The fidelity on a game like Gears 5 running at 120fps or Cold War at 60fps far trumps anything my PS4 Pro could put out, including games like Spider-Man. Not to mention loading times of well over a minute on PS4 Pro compared to sub 10 seconds on the S. Ludicrous comparison.
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Hezekiah
Banned
Microsoft used to divulge hardware sales and Xbox division profits. Then they stopped.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Contrary to what you may believe, I'm not built the same way as some fanboys you might associate me with. I love Xbox. I main Xbox, but I buy, support and play EVERYTHING. I've missed very few to NONE of the best games on each platform.
