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Xbox head Phil Spencer prefers higher frame rates than resolution.
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Texas Pride
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He seems to prefer hardware over games too. Someone should tell him the games sell the hardware not the other way around. If gamespass wasn't still a buck I'd have cancelled it by now.
The PS2 HDD was not a stand. It was a HDD bay built into the console at PS2 launch with the idea that an optional HDD will go there.
I'm not trying to prove anything just saying how it was. It kind of bugs me how people suggest MS invented or pioneered things they haven't like BC or HDDs in consoles.
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Shmunter
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Savage! But fair.
Silent Viper
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Silent Viper
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Sad you dont know how to and what to post on forums.
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Silent Viper
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One of the most stupidest post in thread? Bad optimization results in Pro performing better than X. Anyone with half a brain knows X is much better than Pro in specs
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Virex
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Shmunter
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Don’t be sad, I’ll try to do better or my name ain’t shmunter.
Hawking Radiation
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1080p - 120FPS
1440p (CB to 4K) - 60FPS (locked)
Native 4K - 30FPS (locked)
Give me these 3 above options as standard on all next gen games and I'll be a fucking happy camper.
SleepDoctor
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Fuck that. 4k/60fps or 8k/30fps (doubt the latter).
We rarely got 1080p/60 done flawlessly but they wanna jump resolution already. I don't want it half assed .
8k is pointless anyway since its not going to be affordable to the masses for awhile, probably till at least mid gen.
CeeJay
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I agree 100%
I hope that MS lead the way with their own studios but unfortunately I don't think they would impose such draconian rules on third parties. I fear it's going to be a bit of a lottery across the board but we can hope and vocalise our opinions to try and get them all to do this. Somehow though I don't see there been the same appetite across the userbase to call for this as standard like we all managed to do with rejecting lootboxes.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
What the fuck? Luckily Killzone 3 runs normally.
boneso
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I have been saying this for years now. I would much rather a lower resolution and a higher frame-rate with improved graphics from next gen. I wanted all games on ps4 to be 1080p60 at a minimum and completely ignore 4k (even though I do have a 4k tv).
I would be much happier if PS5 games launched at 1080p60 with incredible graphics upgrades instead of the same graphics we have now just at higher resolution and probably 30(ish)fps.
I would be much happier if PS5 games launched at 1080p60 with incredible graphics upgrades instead of the same graphics we have now just at higher resolution and probably 30(ish)fps.
nemiroff
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I'm confused about why you posted that considering this is a completely different argument. I guess times are changing and consumers appears to now be more skewed towards being more technically aware. But did you really want to dispute the notion that average Joe historically and typically hasn't shown much concern about framerates compared to advanced consumers posting on gaming forums?
Niked
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Mostly 30fps but there is times it dips
Armorian
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Perfectly locked 60 fps on consoles is rarity, but with VRR support in HDMI 2.1 even 40fps+ games will look good (on tv that supports that). I think many games will just have "framerate unlock" option in 1080p mode.
Point me to the so-called hero-worshipping, on my path! Please do! All I said was, this narrative isn't new from Phil; he's said this many times before, even before the Xbox X was revealed.
However, Xbox and Sony are not going to use high frame rates as the core of their advertising, and it is obvious why. Fidelity and graphics are easier to sell, easier to communicate and translate easier to the screen. Also, fidelity and graphics are easier understood and absorbed by the mass market and casual market; ergo, that is why it would be more of a focus in marketing. Where is the hero worship in that statement, on my path? So facts are automatically labelled "hero-worship" because you're a cynic? Do you practice that same level of cynicism and distrust for all department heads and CEOs of other companies, or is it just with Xbox? Do you feel the same way about Sony?
Please, tell me; do you think Phil has zero personality, and not an honest bone in his body? And if the answer is yes, do you believe any CEOs/leaders of any business or business department has moments of honesty or sincerity?
Do you believe all people in powerful positions, with something to sell, are always selling that thing every time they speak, and lack sincerity 100% of the time?
If you were a CEO, would everything you say be a lie to push your product or service? If so, why would you be that way?
However, if the answer to my very first question is no; that you think there are moments when Phil may be being sincere, how do you know when those moments are? Can you tell the difference between when he's trying to manipulate you and when he's being sincere?
You see where I'm going with this?
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SleepDoctor
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If we're "upgrading". I want "upgraded performance and visuals. People wanna cut Sony and ms slack when they couldn't care less about us. They half ass performance on these supposed "8k" capable consoles... and surprise surprise, we get mid gen refreshes with "native" or "true" 8k gaming.
Armorian
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People should always lower they expectation when it comes to consoles and resolution/performance targets. I think we will realisticaly get:
- couple of basic looking native 8k games, and more in resolutions between 4 and 8K
- native 4k 30fps games (I think percentage of them will not be that small)
- CBR/DLSS "4K" 30/60 fps games (majority)
- 1080p/1440p high framerate modes for games in above sections (with 60 as a target but variable, maybe 120fps in some titles) and of course that will the main mode for XSS if that's a thing (but with 30fps target).
CyberPanda
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Xbox Series X will make games FEEL amazing, says Xbox boss Phil Spencer
Beating the PS5 is not just about "throwing more pixels up on the screen"
SHABANA ARIF 8 HOURS AGO
The upcoming Xbox Series X promises to be a beast of a console, delivering sizzling resolutions of 8K and up to 60 fps, putting it on par with Sony's upcoming PS5 but for head of Xbox, Phil Spencer, developers should focus less on the amount of pixels and more on the FEEL of their games if they want to make the most of all that power.
Spencer has previously said that Microsoft's console will "set the benchmark" for console gaming with more processing performance and graphics power than ever before - a whopping four times as much as the Xbox One X, the most powerful console of this generation. It's even been rumoured that the new Xbox will be more powerful than the PS5.
Both the PS5 and Xbox Series X are reported to feature a separate graphics chip, rather than a combined GPU and CPU, which is what will allow for faster frame rates at a higher resolution, and a consistently smoother experience. The Xbox Series X houses a custom-designed AMD processor, high bandwidth GDDR6 memory and a next generation solid state drive (SSD) so there's a lot to look forward to there, but for Spencer, the key to making the most of the console is nailing the feel of a game.
In a recent interview, Spencer explained that Microsoft gives developers the tools and freedom to create whatever they like on its platforms, and doesn't try to impose limits – whether that's 60 fps on the Xbox 360, or 4K 60 fps on the Xbox One X. The key factor is that they can push the limits of the what the console has to offer.
"I think we’ve reached a point with Xbox One X in the generation where games look amazing, and there’s always work we can do to look more amazing. But I want games to feel as amazing as they look," he said.
"We don’t have that in today’s generation, mainly because the CPU is under-powered relative to the GPU that’s in the box in order to reach a feel and frame rate and kind of consistency or variable refresh rate and other things that we want.
“As we were looking at the future, the feel of the games was definitely something that we wanted to have more focus on, not just throwing more pixels up on the screen.”
Spencer has been consistent in this line of thinking from as far back as 2014, when he said, "frame rate to me is significantly more important to gameplay than resolution and the mix of those two which brings the right art style and freedom, whether it's on PlayStation or our platform."
It seems that the new Xbox console will be powerful enough to hit that sweet spot; let's just hope that we see developers take advantage of it, rather than getting bogged down by numbers.
The Xbox Series X is due to launch in the holiday 2020 window, and you can keep up with all of the news and rumours right here on T3.
www.t3.com
Beating the PS5 is not just about "throwing more pixels up on the screen"
SHABANA ARIF 8 HOURS AGO
The upcoming Xbox Series X promises to be a beast of a console, delivering sizzling resolutions of 8K and up to 60 fps, putting it on par with Sony's upcoming PS5 but for head of Xbox, Phil Spencer, developers should focus less on the amount of pixels and more on the FEEL of their games if they want to make the most of all that power.
Spencer has previously said that Microsoft's console will "set the benchmark" for console gaming with more processing performance and graphics power than ever before - a whopping four times as much as the Xbox One X, the most powerful console of this generation. It's even been rumoured that the new Xbox will be more powerful than the PS5.
Both the PS5 and Xbox Series X are reported to feature a separate graphics chip, rather than a combined GPU and CPU, which is what will allow for faster frame rates at a higher resolution, and a consistently smoother experience. The Xbox Series X houses a custom-designed AMD processor, high bandwidth GDDR6 memory and a next generation solid state drive (SSD) so there's a lot to look forward to there, but for Spencer, the key to making the most of the console is nailing the feel of a game.
In a recent interview, Spencer explained that Microsoft gives developers the tools and freedom to create whatever they like on its platforms, and doesn't try to impose limits – whether that's 60 fps on the Xbox 360, or 4K 60 fps on the Xbox One X. The key factor is that they can push the limits of the what the console has to offer.
"I think we’ve reached a point with Xbox One X in the generation where games look amazing, and there’s always work we can do to look more amazing. But I want games to feel as amazing as they look," he said.
"We don’t have that in today’s generation, mainly because the CPU is under-powered relative to the GPU that’s in the box in order to reach a feel and frame rate and kind of consistency or variable refresh rate and other things that we want.
“As we were looking at the future, the feel of the games was definitely something that we wanted to have more focus on, not just throwing more pixels up on the screen.”
Spencer has been consistent in this line of thinking from as far back as 2014, when he said, "frame rate to me is significantly more important to gameplay than resolution and the mix of those two which brings the right art style and freedom, whether it's on PlayStation or our platform."
It seems that the new Xbox console will be powerful enough to hit that sweet spot; let's just hope that we see developers take advantage of it, rather than getting bogged down by numbers.
The Xbox Series X is due to launch in the holiday 2020 window, and you can keep up with all of the news and rumours right here on T3.
Xbox Series X will make games FEEL amazing, says Xbox boss Phil Spencer
Beating the PS5 is not just about "throwing more pixels up on the screen"
www.t3.com
DaGwaphics
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"Both the PS5 and Xbox Series X are reported to feature a separate graphics chip, rather than a combined GPU and CPU" ????? Say what?
I haven't heard that theory from anywhere, I'm still expecting an APU.
I haven't heard that theory from anywhere, I'm still expecting an APU.
Celcius
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Same, I paused for a second like “wait... what?”
I hope it’s true though
We're one step away from
"Phil, boxers or briefs when you game on the couch?"
(btw, everytime there is a Phil Says - I lower my Xbone sales by 10k)
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Hobbygaming
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You can have all of the tech and still come up short in game design
It's more about what the studios can do with the hardware and this is where Sony shines
It's more about what the studios can do with the hardware and this is where Sony shines
MvCSpiderman
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So are we supposed to cuddle the display or?
reconminicon
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Separate CPU and GPU. So I can bang a Titan RTX 3000 in there?
Vawn
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I love how you assume people upset with how Xbox is being ran are just die-hard Sony fans.
There were twice as many Xbox 360 players. Some of us are actually pissed how far the brand has fallen as we we're big Xbox 360 gamers who feel abandoned.
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TBiddy
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Not “people” in general. Just some of you.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Don't believe every rumor. Of course they are using APUs.
DaGwaphics
Member
I will say that both the design of the PS5 dev kit and the XSX appear to support the possibility of taking heat off of both sides of the MB, not that that necessarily leads to multiple chips. Just for cost reasons I can't see them leaving the APU approach.
ANIMAL1975
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I think she doesn't know what she's talking about, she even states '8k resolution and up to 60 framerate' like... 8k will be the norm
GymWolf
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they feel great to watch thoas long as these games aren't made by Rockstar Games that is
M1chl
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For like 5000$? Of course...
Journey
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DESTROYA
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ResilientBanana
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Yes, you can buy them now, they're called PC's.
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