Xbox Dev Demonstrates NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti & Xbox Series X Mesh Shaders Performance With DirectX 12 Ultimate API

[Rightisright]

He's not allowed to have an opinion but you are?

No because as we saw in the last couple of months, ethomaz was right on the ball with how much power these two consoles will have. He has never shown a biased bone in body.
You just don't get as fair as Ethomaz.......

 

[ethomaz]

His bias isn't fanboy shit. Yours is.

Are you SERIOUSLY acting like rational thinking people can't tell the difference?

It is obvious fanboy.
There is no difference between him and any other fanboy.

Perhaps he is more aggressive and less polite than most fanboys... well most Xbox fanboys are.

 

[ethomaz]

Or maybe he is reporting the facts, and those facts don't make for good reading for a PS5 peep?
Of you want unbiased info, you could always read what Jason Schreier has to say...............

I’m always fair in my biased opinion.

Wrongiswrong.

 

[Fulcizombie]

Others: PS5 doesn’t that like that.
DF bias: No. Xbox does everything better.
Others: Cerny said it works like that and that on PS5.
DF bias: No. Xbox does everything better.

Why even try?

It will be fun if their article started to shows PS5 version of the games having the edge.... how he will spin.

For now Sony fanboys like yourself, who was damning the github leak with ferociousness, are doing all the spinning.

 

[ethomaz]

For now Sony fanboys like yourself, who was damning the github leak with ferociousness, are doing all the spinning.

GutHub was wrong like others insiders.
That is a fact.

Now if you think talking about a biased journalist is spin lol I can’t even imagine your others “opinions”.

 

[Fulcizombie]

GutHub was wrong like others insiders.
That is a fact.

Now if you think talking about a biased journalist is spin lol I can’t even imagine your others “opinions”.

Your post history speaks for itself. Github was correct, the insiders that you were worshiping were wrong. Oh and yes DF comparisons will be fuuuuuun.

 

[oldergamer]

I knew people would start thinking about this more

 

[ethomaz]

Your post history speaks for itself. Github was correct, the insiders that you were worshiping were wrong. Oh and yes DF comparisons will be fuuuuuun.

What GitHub was right? Tell more about kkk
The PS5 CU count and everything else wrong? That level of spin is awesome.

Even the fake insiders got more right than GitHub

It is obvious games comparison will be fun.

 

[Fulcizombie]

What GitHub was right? Tell more about kkk
The PS5 CU count and everything else wrong?

Even the fake insiders got more right than GitHub

It is obvious games comparison will be fun.

The entire philosophy behind the ps5 was revealed with the github leak. Sony just released some dubious peak clock speeds. The insiders were talking about 13+ TF while Sony fanboys were screaming «there is no way the ps5 will be 36 CU» . It doesn’t matter, I am sure we will be seeing similar excuses after the first DF comparisons, Sony fans are used to the «lazy devs» rhetoric anyway.

 

[ethomaz]

The entire philosophy behind the ps5 was revealed with the github leak. Sony just released some dubious peak clock speeds. The insiders were talking about 13+ TF while Sony fanboys were screaming «there is no way the ps5 will be 36 CU» . It doesn’t matter, I am sure we will be seeing similar excuses after the first DF comparisons, Sony fans are used to the «lazy devs» rhetoric anyway.

Dat spin “entire philosophy behind PS5”.

That way GitHub supported even a 20TFs PS5.

 

[Remij]

It is obvious fanboy.
There is no difference between him and any other fanboy.

Perhaps he is more aggressive and less polite than most fanboys... well most Xbox fanboys are.

There is a big difference... as hard as you'll try to deny it... He has respect of people working in the industry. He works for a respected tech oriented company with many sources throughout on both sides.

It might APPEAR to you that he's "aggressive and less polite" because as someone actually knowledgeable about game technology.. with actual sources working on both sets of hardware... he has to deal with forum idiots acting like they know better and berating him for posting logical responses to questions and simply his opinion.

There's a reason why people ask Alex things... and nobody asks YOU. His opinion carries weight... yours carries butthurt.

 

[Fulcizombie]

Dat spin “entire philosophy behind PS5”.

That way GitHub supported even a 20TFs PS5.

Nope it was talking about a 36 CU ps5 at 2 GHz. We still don’t know the actual TF number of the ps5 and the average clock speed its 36 CU GPU will be running at. I mean if Sony could use a 4.5 GHz peak clock speed of course we would be talking about a ps5 with a theoretical 20 TF performance and the github would still have been proven correct. Anyway you people are not tired of being embarrassed so when the consoles launch we will see the DF comparisons.

 

[CitizenX3639]

left trigger, right trigger, NPC standing around empty world....nothing will change

 

[Fulcizombie]

There is a big difference... as hard as you'll try to deny it... He has respect of people working in the industry. He works for a respected tech oriented company with many sources throughout on both sides.

It might APPEAR to you that he's "aggressive and less polite" because as someone actually knowledgeable about game technology.. with actual sources working on both sets of hardware... he has to deal with forum idiots acting like they know better and berating him for posting logical responses to questions and simply his opinion.

There's a reason why people ask Alex things... and nobody asks YOU. His opinion carries weight... yours carries butthurt.

Alex is basically trying to explain why the insane bullshit that Sony fans are preaching is not correct. No wonder he gets pissed off, when you are trying to explain to someone that the earth is round and he insists that the earth is flat...It is a repeat of the insider crap,.

 

[ethomaz]

There is a big difference... as hard as you'll try to deny it... He has respect of people working in the industry. He works for a respected tech oriented company with many sources throughout on both sides.

It might APPEAR to you that he's "aggressive and less polite" because as someone actually knowledgeable about game technology.. with actual sources working on both sets of hardware... he has to deal with forum idiots acting like they know better and berating him for posting logical responses to questions and simply his opinion.

There's a reason why people ask Alex things... and nobody asks YOU. His opinion carries weight... yours carries butthurt.

That just make his bias unprofessional.
And way worst than mine or yours.

 

[ethomaz]

Nope it was talking about a 36 CU ps5 at 2 GHz. We still don’t know the actual TF number of the ps5 and the average clock speed its 36 CU GPU will be running at. I mean if Sony could use a 4.5 GHz peak clock speed of course we would be talking about a ps5 with a theoretical 20 TF performance and the github would still have been proven correct. Anyway you people are not tired of being embarrassed so when the consoles launch we will see the DF comparisons.

See GitHub was wrong.

BTW the lasted GitHub news even put in perspective it was a tool from the Xbox discord manipulated to people think it was a real leak.

 

[Remij]

That just make his bias unprofessional.
And way worst than mine or yours.

No.. because as I said initially.. he's not biased... what you're seeing is your own.

 

[ethomaz]

No.. because as I said initially.. he's not biased... what you're seeing is your own.

Your bias says he is not biased when everybody clearly see him being biased.

Difficult choice to believe... your bias or the reality? Let me thing a bit more.

 

[Mr.Allan]

I still am waiting for vulcan and dx12 performance gains. Oh right, it's 2020 and people still use dx11.

 

[psorcerer]

Won’t matter they’ll label him as biased.

He is clearly biased.
These posts are a definition of spin.

 

[Rightisright]

 

[Remij]

Your bias says he is not biased when everybody clearly see him being biased.

Difficult choice to believe... your bias or the reality? Let me thing a bit more.

Believe what you want... one is a respected industry professional.... the other is you

 

[ethomaz]

Believe what you want... one is a respected industry professional.... the other is you

At least I’m not an biased industry professional.

He is clearly biased.
These posts are a definition of spin.

The sad part is that he is biased for a long time ago.
He even tried to bully NXGamer in the past due his bias.

 

[TBiddy]

So now we're pretending that DF aren't trusthworthy.. again? Or what? I wonder how many times the narrative will shift between them being on Microsofts payroll and on Sonys payroll. I can't count the amoutn of times they've been accused of being shills for either side.

If Dictator presents an analysis of a game that performs better on the PS5 due to the SSD or whatever, the very same people that presents him as biased and not trustworthy in this thread, will hail him as a neutral observer that knows his shit.

 

[Remij]

At least I’m not an biased industry professional.



The sad part is that he is biased for a long time ago.
He even tried to bully NXGamer in the past due his bias.

Right... you're not an industry professional... you're a nobody

 

[ethomaz]

Right... you're not an industry professional... you're a nobody

Exactly... what makes his bias really ridiculous and unprofessional.

 

[Kazekage1981]

why is this thread being derailed with GitHub stuff when it is about mesh shaders. I thought the PC master race defense force would come in lol.

Well it dont matter, whatever XsX can do now will be futile 1-2 years down the line amirite? Oh no wait, Microsoft still makes money because they have this thing called Windows on PC. I forgot.

 

[psorcerer]

The sad part is that he is biased for a long time ago.
He even tried to bully NXGamer in the past due his bias.

All DF people are related to XBox magazine UK IIRC.
Non fanboys do not work in such outlets ever.
That's why I never open DF videos. Too much spin.
And they love concern trolling.

 

[ethomaz]

All DF people are related to XBox magazine UK IIRC.
Non fanboys do not work in such outlets ever.
That's why I never open DF videos. Too much spin.
And they love concern trolling.

Remember when they made one of the first comparisonbetween PS4 and XB1 and concluded the XB1 had the best version of the game.
After the reality and people called them out they create the excuse that their capture equipment was wrong on PS4 so the they messed the compassion.

It was really funny.

Every DF article tried to spin something better from the XB1 version of the the game... until Xbox One X when they stated to really do what they always wanted to do.

 

[Remij]

Exactly... what makes his bias really ridiculous and unprofessional.

It really doesn't... because he's not.

I mean... I could say Cerny is biased... of course he's going to say good shit about PS5. If he was in here answering questions in a way that I didn't like... do you really think I'm going to claim that he's wrong and simply biased?

If I did that.... people would be quick to point out that he's the well respected industry professional with actual knowledge about what he's talking about... and I'm just a nobody forum dweller.

That's the reality. You're an armchair analyst. Do you have sources that are working on PS5? Are you more respected than Dictator in the industry? No?? That's right.. you don't.. and you aren't.

You're going to have to work a lot harder before anybody takes your opinion about anything seriously. I mean.. the reason why you're acting the way you are about him is because his opinion carries more weight than yours will ever carry. If he was a nobody.. you'd be done trying to discredit him at every moment.

 

[ethomaz]

It really doesn't... because he's not.

I mean... I could say Cerny is biased... of course he's going to say good shit about PS5. If he was in here answering questions in a way that I didn't like... do you really think I'm going to claim that he's wrong and simply biased?

If I did that.... people would be quick to point out that he's the well respected industry professional with actual knowledge about what he's talking about... and I'm just a nobody forum dweller.

That's the reality. You're an armchair analyst. Do you have sources that are working on PS5? Are you more respected than Dictator in the industry? No?? That's right.. you don't.. and you aren't.

You're going to have to work a lot harder before anybody takes your opinion about anything seriously. I mean.. the reason why you're acting the way you are about him is because his opinion carries more weight than yours will ever carry. If he was a nobody.. you'd be done trying to discredit him at every moment.

Of course he is.
Anybody can see that.

For being a industry journalist is unacceptable to be biased.

I can be biased I’m a nobody.

 

[Remij]

All DF people are related to XBox magazine UK IIRC.
Non fanboys do not work in such outlets ever.
That's why I never open DF videos. Too much spin.
And they love concern trolling.

Does it hurt you that PS developers respect them?

 

[psorcerer]

Remember when they made one of the first comparisonbetween PS4 and XB1 and concluded the XB1 had the best version of the game.
After the reality and people called them out they create the excuse that their capture equipment was wrong on PS4 so the they messed the compassion.

It was really funny.

Every DF article tried to spin something better from the XB1 version of the the game... until Xbox One X when they stated to really do what they always wanted to do.

I stopped watching them at the PS3/X360 era ~2009 IIRC.
Dunno what's new there.
Stopped reading Eurogamer around that time too, it was out of hand with their fucking "opinions" instead of journalism.

 

[Remij]

Of course he is.
Anybody can see that.

Yea you're done. Run back to Cerny's arms... it's nice and warm there.

 

[Mista]

left trigger, right trigger, NPC standing around empty world....nothing will change

As much as I’m impressed by this tech as much as I’m really worried about this also. We got plenty of empty open worlds this gen or plenty of “throw whatever in there” open world games. Both are bad and I don’t know if this will continue next-gen

 

[psorcerer]

Does it hurt you that PS developers respect them?

Nope. If engineers start to "respect" somebody instead of checking and double checking, they are priests now.

 

[ethomaz]

Yea you're done. Run back to Cerny's arms... it's nice and warm there.

Who to think is more reliable Cerny or Dictador?
Because most of his post In that thread were against what Cerny said in his presentation.

 

[01011001]

So his bias is more influential than mine.
Sadly and unprofessional.

you are the most childish fanboy on this forum, anyone who is called unprofessional by you should wear it as a medal of honor

 

[Remij]

Who to think is more reliable Cerny or Dictador?
Because most of his post In that thread were against what Cerny said in his presentation.

Right. Cerny is unquestionably more respected in the industry and knowledgeable on any given subject relating to game technology....

Just like Dictator is compared to you. You're nobody. You've got a lot of work to do to get to the level of Dictator.

 

[ethomaz]

you are the most childish fanboy on this forum, anyone who is called unprofessional by you should wear it as a medal of honor

Just because I spotted your wrong claims? I didn’t do that to hit you just to make people knows what was right.

 

[Eliciel]

These Threads with all this Analysis, what a time to be alive!

 

[ethomaz]

Right. Cerny is unquestionably more respected in the industry and knowledgeable on any given subject relating to game technology....

Just like Dictator is compared to you. You're nobody. You've got a lot of work to do to get to the level of Dictator.

So are you agreeing with me Dictator is biased because he is basically calling Cerny a liar.

You don’t need to more goal post to me I never said I’m anybody lol
And I don’t want to be Dictator lol
Who wants? lol

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

what a time to be alive!

 

[Eliciel]

What a movie man, what a movie...
I cried and was confused for days

 

[ethomaz]

What a movie man, what a movie...
I cried and was confused for days

What movie is it?
I don’t have time to movies for over a year already.

 

[Eliciel]

What movie is it?

Uncut Gems with Adam Sandler, you should watch it

 

[ethomaz]

Uncut Gems with Adam Sandler, you should watch it

Makes sense I missed it... it was near my son birth... 0 time to movie since.

I will try to find it to watch.

These days I and wife were discussing... let’s watch a movie now that our baby did sleep... we started to search for one when I realized “Love. You wake up in 6 hours to work... do you really want to watch a 2 hours movie?”. Obvious she rejected the movie.

 

[Remij]

So are you agreeing with me Dictator is biased because he is basically calling Cerny a lier.

You don’t need to more goal post to me I never said I’m anybody lol
And I don’t want to be Dictator lol

I was pretty clear that I believe he's NOT biased.

"basically" calling Cerny a liar? Or could it be that given his knowledge from sources working on the hardware, as well as his own knowledge of how hardware works... he has his own opinion based on what's been revealed so far?

You're taking everything as an attack... "bubut he called Cerny a liar? ".... relax... it's NATURAL to question things.

I can tell you 100% that Cerny's talk didn't prove that PS5's SSD will do things that Series X's can't.

He's RATIONALLY questioning the notion... until it can be proven otherwise... based of what he knows. And you're getting REALLY mad about it.

 

[Eliciel]

Makes sense I missed it... it was near my son birth... 0 time to movie since.

I will try to find it to watch.

These days I and wife were discussing... let’s watch a movie now that our baby did sleep... we started to search for one when I realized “Love. You wake up in 6 hours to work... do you really want to watch a 2 hours movie?”. Obvious she rejected the movie.

Congrats hope you are all doing Well!

 

[ethomaz]

I was pretty clear that I believe he's NOT biased.

"basically" calling Cerny a liar? Or could it be that given his knowledge from sources working on the hardware, as well as his own knowledge of how hardware works... he has his own opinion based on what's been revealed so far?

You're taking everything as an attack... "bubut he called Cerny a liar? ".... relax... it's NATURAL to question things.

I can tell you 100% that Cerny's talk didn't prove that PS5's SSD will do things that Series X's can't.

He's RATIONALLY questioning the notion... until it can be proven otherwise... based of what he knows. And you're getting REALLY mad about it.

Our are done here.
He is biased as I proved.