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[hououinkyouma00]

Was really hoping for Lollipop Chainsaw, Project Gotham Racing (any of them), and JSRF but it would be asinine to not be happy with everything they got on the list especially since some of the games aren’t on PC at all like Gears.

Gonna be downloading Ridge Racer later for sure.

 

[MrFunSocks]

What about Quake 2 & 4?
They own the licensing on those. Oh well, I'm happy for what we got.

Quake 4 was made by Raven Software and published by Activision. Quake 2 was published by Activision. I'd say that's where the legal problems are.

This is sad to hear but still have to recognize what an absolutely incredible and surprising thing this BC was. They're wizards the people that did this, something that most people said wasn't possible. Unfortunately music and car licensing are the bane of video game BC existence, so we don't get the old forza's, Need for speeds, PGR's, etc.

 

[Artistic]

Kind of disappointing.

 

[Leonidas]

NOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Well, at least they went out wtih a bang. OTOGI, GUNVALKYRIE, Dead or Alive here I come!

 

[CRAIG667]

It's a shame that one of my favourite games won't move forward and is stuck on 360.... SSF2THDR

 

[Crew511A]

And so the dream of Outrun 2006 dies.

 

[Kilau]

Are they going to make these games available for download?

 

[intbal]

Quake 4 was made by Raven Software and published by Activision. Quake 2 was published by Activision. I'd say that's where the legal problems are.

This is sad to hear but still have to recognize what an absolutely incredible and surprising thing this BC was. They're wizards the people that did this, something that most people said wasn't possible. Unfortunately music and car licensing are the bane of video game BC existence, so we don't get the old forza's, Need for speeds, PGR's, etc.

Quake 4 had two releases. First by Activision, then it was rereleased by Bethesda after that acquisition. It ought to be fully legal for MS/Bethesda to add it to BC without any approval from Activision.

 

[93xfan]

They did such a great job. I’m very thankful, personally.

 

[Saint Boot]

But seriously though, Why Isn't Sony and Nintendo doing what Xbox is doing when it comes to backwords compat?
All I ever hear about is how greedy they are, but if they were do to this they would make even more money right? Do they just not want to sell their older games any more? It's even worse in Nintendo's case on account of that online only rental service they call NSO which I will not be renewing when it expires.

 

[Turk1993]

 

[nush]

Are they going to make these games available for download?

yes, some already are.

 

[anthony2690]

I feel like they've got 99% of the games people actually want to play or revisit.

Obviously there is some outliers that will never happen like jsrf etc that I can imagine have licensing issues with music etc.

I think they've done a really good job tbh

 

[nush]

But seriously though, Why Isn't Sony and Nintendo doing what Xbox is doing when it comes to backwords compat?

 

[Kacho]

Makes sense to wrap it up now. They got a lot of games people wanted and MS is about to be firing on all cylinders with first party games again. Now the BC team can focus solely on updating older games with FPS boosts.

 

[Saint Boot]

Don't just respond to me in memes. I don't know what that means. Speak to me with words or not at all. Don't just quote one small part of my post either. Post all of it so we can actually discuss it.

 

[Concern]

Thats disappointing but still a great effort none the less. Only ones to offer any bc past last gen.

 

[Kilau]

yes, some already are.

Hmm, I see Max Payne 3 was just added. I wonder if there is a chance LEGO LOTR will come back now.

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

Dang

 

[JayK47]

Was really hoping for Lollipop Chainsaw.

 

[nush]

I wonder if there is a chance LEGO LOTR will come back now.

In theory yes, because when they make the games backwards compatible they recompile them and give them a new executable. That legally makes it a new game and it needs publisher agreement that they can distribute it. The backwards compatible games do not run off the disc but download that new version, the disc is just the key.

Now there are exceptions to this like Doom 3 BFG edition that are disc only but they are marked on the master list that way with an "*".

Xbox One Backward Compatibility - Xbox Wire

Since 2015, the backward compatibility program for Xbox One and Xbox Series X|S has made it possible for gamers around the globe to discover and replay thousands of games spanning our 20-year history. For a better understanding of how the Xbox One Backward Compatibility program works and how...

majornelson.com

Lego LOTR isnt.

 

[01011001]

But seriously though, Why Isn't Sony and Nintendo doing what Xbox is doing when it comes to backwords compat?
All I ever hear about is how greedy they are, but if they were do to this they would make even more money right? Do they just not want to sell their older games any more? It's even worse in Nintendo's case on account of that online only rental service they call NSO which I will not be renewing when it expires.

because it's not easy to do and Sony most likely doesn't see any benefit to it financially.

the thing is, if a company feels save from its competition, it will often do the bare minimum to keep its status. Microsoft has to catch up, so they do everything they can to do so.

 

[Knightime_X]

Don't be sad Panda, the series lives on on PC with near perfect level emulation already.

What emulator?

 

[Torrent of Pork]

My only regret is the old Mech Assault games, the early days of Xbox Live we're fucking magical before COD kiddos turned it to vulgarity and ethnic slurs.

 

[Kilau]

In theory yes, because when they make the games backwards compatible they recompile them and give them a new executable. That legally makes it a new game and it needs publisher agreement that they can distribute it. The backwards compatible games do not run off the disc but download that new version, the disc is just the key.

Now there are exceptions to this like Doom 3 BFG edition that are disc only but they are marked on the master list that way with an "*".

Xbox One Backward Compatibility - Xbox Wire

Since 2015, the backward compatibility program for Xbox One and Xbox Series X|S has made it possible for gamers around the globe to discover and replay thousands of games spanning our 20-year history. For a better understanding of how the Xbox One Backward Compatibility program works and how...

majornelson.com

Lego LOTR isnt.

Oh that's interesting. Weird that Peter Jackson's King Kong isn't on that list. It's playable but via disc only.

​

 

[intbal]

Oh that's interesting. Weird that Peter Jackson's King Kong isn't on that list. It's playable but via disc only.

​

Wikipedia's List is better.

 

[Stuart360]

My only regret is the old Mech Assault games, the early days of Xbox Live we're fucking magical before COD kiddos turned it to vulgarity and ethnic slurs.

Phil loves those games too, so there probably was a reason why they are not included.

 

[EDMIX]

It would of been fantastic to get every game but obviously that was never going to happen.
Cant argue against what they have done with BC though, no one else is close.

I agree they did a good job, but to say no one else is close? Da fuck?

Yea bruv, NATIVE BC is better on several systems and PC is better period.

So yea, many did come "close" and surpass what this was as a few systems have native BC.

 

[Shmunter]

What a load of bollox

 

[intbal]

Phil loves those games too, so there probably was a reason why they are not included.

It's a tough situation to sort out. MechAssault is part of the Battletech universe. FASA owned the Battletech IP and licensed the property to Microsoft through their FASA Interactive division to make Mechwarrior and Mechassault. Eventually, Microsoft bought FASA interactive. But FASA had sold the IP rights for Battletech to Wizkids, which was then acquired by figure-maker NECA. I suspect the MechAssault games would require NECA's approval.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Quake 4 had two releases. First by Activision, then it was rereleased by Bethesda after that acquisition. It ought to be fully legal for MS/Bethesda to add it to BC without any approval from Activision.

Without knowing the details of that second release we don’t know. The fact that it’s isn’t BC says that they probably came to an agreement only for that re-release.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

Phil loves those games too, so there probably was a reason why they are not included.

Oh I'm sure it was licensing issues. If you can't come to a deal you can't come to a deal, it sucks, but what can you do?

 

[graywolf323]

Thank god we got Otogi 1+2 and Gunvalk before the end.

If this really is it, then it's a shame we'll never get:

• Alpha Protocol
• Brute Force
• Stranglehold
• Ninety-Nine Nights
• Wet
• Akai Katana
• Anarchy Reigns

And many, many more.

yeah, Alpha Protocol was a big want for me and I'm really sad that this means it won't come

Brute Force was a first party game so I wonder what the hold up on it is?

 

[elliot5]

fuck licensing.. bunch of vampires

 

[Saint Boot]

fuck licensing.. bunch of vampires

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[Sosokrates]

At least this might mean they have more resources to focus on fps boost.

 

[Mattyp]

With the million copies of FIFA, NFL NBA etc we got a good healthy chunk of what people play with now a superior way to play them.

Its sad but it was always going to hit a wall eventually with licensing on the rest and keeping a team active while lawyers go at it over a couple titles at a time seems in no way productive.

We’ve got more than a healthy chunk, and going forwards everything should always remain compatible.

 

[Nocturno999]

No Culdcept Saga is a tragedy.

 

[Edder1]

What emulator?

PS3 and 360 emulators.

 

[Hestar69]

Rip Condemned series, you died so the mediocre Fear sequels could live on.

I'm Still mad we never got a condemned 3.The second wasn't as good as the first,but I still enjoyed it and it ended on a cliff hanger if I remember right.

 

[Alx]

Sad that we will never see Deathrow, Kung Fu Chaos, Spikeout or Full auto. But I won’t complain since the last batch had many games I was je expecting (Max Payne, DOA, Otogi, Gunvalkyrie…)

 

[Knightime_X]

PS3 and 360 emulators.

Which ones though?
Especially xbox 360.
Ones that run with near perfect emulation. Been looking for a decent 360 emulator for some very specific games not on PC or elsewhere.

 

[RAIDEN1]

What technical constraints were there in getting MK Shaolin Monks, and Alpha Protocol?

 

[nush]

Alpha Protocol?

Bug testing. What's a game bug, what's an emulation bug?

 

[Salmon Snake]

Well Xbox does it a whole alot better than Playstation.

I should buy PC for playing older games because I don't think Sony will care about bringing PS1-PS3 games to PS5.

 

[ACESHIGH]

Amazing effort by MS. But this reminds me why emulation is key for this hobby. You just can't rely on corporations and walled gardens for game preservation..

PC gaming and open platforms is where is at.

 

[kuncol02]

Don't just respond to me in memes. I don't know what that means. Speak to me with words or not at all. Don't just quote one small part of my post either. Post all of it so we can actually discuss it.

Sony exec on backward compatibility: 'Why would anybody play this?'

www.destructoid.com

 

[JLB]

I'm only missing Simpsons: Hit and Run, but i guess that's more a licensing issue.

A Simpsons game should be a hell inside another hell of licenses.

 

[JLB]

Amazing effort by MS. But this reminds me why emulation is key for this hobby. You just can't rely on corporations and walled gardens for game preservation..

PC gaming and open platforms is where is at.

More than corporations, the problem here is IP laws, and what you are implying is that the only path to solve this is piracy. I mean, dont want to break Gaf's rules, but sadly its the only viable option to a given extent.

 

[Connxtion]

Man PGR4 with up rez, FPS boost and it’s never going to happen

Still am just glad we can play Xbox and 360 games on the XB1, got myself timesplitters 3 and Advent Rising so going to finish them once and for all. (Am hoping advent rising fps issues are fixed with BC)