• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
  • The Politics forum has been nuked. Please do not bring political discussion to the rest of the site, or you will be removed. Thanks.

Drama Xbox’s Phil Spencer criticises PlayStation’s PC strategy for being ‘late’ and ‘charging twice’

HawarMiran

Member
Jan 2, 2020
1,001
3,775
375
this mofo is the slimiest PoS in the business. congratulating Sony studios left and right (such a bro :messenger_smiling_hearts:) and after that he says stupid shit like this in Interviews. At least don't pretend

Edit: No I have to correct myself. That sweaty creep from Gearbox(?) doing magic tricks is no.1. After that come Phil and chubby Greenburger #xgonegiveittoya
 
Last edited:

Whitecrow

Member
May 7, 2018
2,307
3,695
615
Sony wiped the floor with XBOX last gen and at the start of this one, what the hell is he saying lmao

Looks like he meant 'We have millions to burn to pay developers even if they dont sell and Sony dont AHAHAHAHAHA take that one Sony!
 

Three

Member
Oct 26, 2014
6,540
4,318
620
As far as I know I need to double dip if I want MS first party games on Steam. So why expect anything different from Sony?
To be fair he is being misinterpreted. He is talking about gamepass and didn't even mention Sony. He is doing run of the mill marketing for gamepass.
 
  • Like
Reactions: CamHostage

H-I-M

Member
Aug 12, 2020
183
1,125
365
Phil is the most toxic of them all.

 

blastprocessor

The Amiga Brotherhood
Jun 13, 2013
4,639
804
800
United Kingdom
Phil makes a good point. As a PS5 owner it would be good if l could download the PC version straight from the PlayStation store and continue playing on PC. Will that happen in future time will tell.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Pull n Pray

Dream-Knife

Member
Feb 22, 2021
1,345
1,607
430
I'd probably buy a Series X if 1. I could play games bought on Steam on it, and 2. It had actual backwards compatibility for all original Xbox games.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Pull n Pray

TransTrender

Gold Member
Dec 17, 2006
3,218
936
1,620
Margaritaville
I don't know what I'm walking in to but...


I disagree!

In my opinion MS has nothing but obstructive and distructive on the PC gaming front since the inception of the Xbox by forcing/buying developers in to making console only games (then shuttering them for not hitting sales targets) also let us not forget Games For Windows Live! or charging for Xbox Live! on PC. Then Windows 10 and the fucking joke of the Windows store happened.

Get fucked.

Your brand is a fucking joke in the PC space.

Any PC gamer can at least appreciate Sony releasing some exclusives on Steam while any PC gamer can also say MS has only been a drag on the platform for almost two decades.
 

Zannrebel

Member
Sep 24, 2018
60
79
255
1st, you don't understand business, which explains all your nonsense. Phil is and was a nobody at that time. Until satya promoted him in 2017. Meaning he had complete control of xbox at that time. before, he was an employee who had a boss. and couldnt do anything without them.

2nd, phill already done alot for xbox. he doesnt have to convince someone like you, who has thick skull, and doest understand anything. He gave xbox x1s, after the x1 disaster. He then gave them X1X.

3rd, xbox already made profit, and will have market share this gen. Sony wont have it, because nintendo are beating them. Nintendo exclusive sold 35m, while highest ps4 exclusive sold at 23m. This isn't last gen anymore. Both company have strong line up. Switch will have a new hardware, and more focus on family gaming. they sold 76-81m console, and managed to do 35m on mario kart, compared to ps4 116m with Spiderman at 23m. Xbox now has starfield, a highly anticipated game, both pc and xbox players waiting eagerly.

lastly, xbox has a great line up already. something which Phil delivered. You wont get it, because you think studios magically make games, which i tried to convince you many times.

3 DAYS left. and you will see all the handwork he made. Every E3, he gave xbox new studio, new future games. We have forza team working on Fable. We have new studio initiative working on perfect dark. SOC3 is on development. Obsidian is working on Avowed, and grounded. You had Ori 2 last year. He gave xbox players entire bethesda IP, and starfield is exclusive to xbox. Doom is exclusive to xbox. Fall out 5 is exclusive to xbox. TES6 is exclusive to xbox.

Even at that point, I doubt you will care. You already made up your mind, and it was useless of me to argue with you, because its hard to convince some who is already made his mind, and wont take anything else.
He became the boss of Xbox in 2014. Mattrick didn't even last 6 months after Xbox One released. Yes, Mattrick had lined a lot of things up prior to his departure that Spencer had to deal with. No doubt. But under Spencer, in fact two years after he took over, most of Xbox's first party was gutted. So either Spencer made the call himself or couldn't convince the ones who did to give him time to transform those teams into something his bosses would feel confident in. I remember that day the news broke. It was a huge shock. So at the very least Spencer didn't successfully manage those studios to keep at least some of them around. Nor did he crack the whip on remaining studios to improve their output. Nor did he successfully manage to get enough contracts with third parties to make up for the big gap. Spencer ultimately failed to provide the Xbox fanbase with a lot of great games and it will continue that way for a few years yet.

HOWEVER, I will say that if Spencer can pull this off, if he can manage to get Xbox's market share a little higher or at least keep it from shrinking (good for share holders) and get the brand to a point where it produces a lot of great games and the studios are well managed (good for gamers), I will change my stance on him overall. I will still maintain he failed early on but will acknowledge he persevered. Like I said, I have NOTHING against Xbox. It's just a brand and a tool. I'm just not thrilled with how the people in charge handled it and I remain skeptical that they'll do a good job delivering the goods. And Obsidian is by far their best studio. Change my mind :messenger_grinning_squinting:
Phils previous bosses were incompetent. Ballmer didn't think buying the Minecraft ip was worth it. Hell Satya Nedella was surprised his previous bosses turned it down. Taylor Myercer was Phils boss when before he was promoted in 2017, all decsions had to go through him. Because before the restructing MS went through in 2016 xbox was under the supervision of the Windows department. Had a much smaller budget to work with and less creative freedom. When he was promoted to VP he convinced Nedella not shelv the xbox brand. Hindsight is 20/20 but if you did your research you'd know the cards were stacked aginst him. He made the best of what he was given.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Jemm and kuncol02

Zannrebel

Member
Sep 24, 2018
60
79
255
I don't know what I'm walking in to but...


I disagree!

In my opinion MS has nothing but obstructive and distructive on the PC gaming front since the inception of the Xbox by forcing/buying developers in to making console only games (then shuttering them for not hitting sales targets) also let us not forget Games For Windows Live! or charging for Xbox Live! on PC. Then Windows 10 and the fucking joke of the Windows store happened.

Get fucked.

Your brand is a fucking joke in the PC space.

Any PC gamer can at least appreciate Sony releasing some exclusives on Steam while any PC gamer can also say MS has only been a drag on the platform for almost two decades.
Whatyearisit.png
 

DarkMage619

Member
Jun 19, 2004
3,254
6,044
1,635
He was put in charge of Xbox, Xbox Live, Groove Music and Movies & TV teams, and Microsoft Studios in March 2014. Whatever calls were made from 2014 on, they were made while he was in charge of Xbox. Period. If anyone can prove to me that he didn't make those calls I'd love to be proven wrong. Under most other circumstances, he wouldn't have lasted long enough for the things you credit him for to have happened or proven successful on his watch. And who really cares what consoles he released if they don't have games? Xbox One didn't sell 65% the units that Xbox 360 did because a great job was done by anyone in charge of Xbox.

In my job, if someone became the new boss and presided over a 7 year span where our product sold only 65% of what it did the previous 7 or 8 years that boss would be out. He'd be incredibly lucky to make it to 5 years. Our company can't afford that at all and we'd be in a panic to figure out how to quickly fix what just happened. It wouldn't even matter that he wasn't in charge when the downward trajectory hit. He'd be removed because he obviously couldn't change it. In fact, over a year ago our boss was fired after only 3 years on the job simply because we were behind on fulfilling orders for a year and it wasn't even his fault. Our sales team took orders way beyond what our production capacity was and the President of the entire company didn't even care. We were expected to "make it work".

I've just never worked in any field or for any company where someone can be in charge during such a decline and keep their job. I've seen people fired faster for less.


I never said I hated him. I said I dislike the job he did. I don't know him as a person. I only know him as a personality in charge of Xbox. And in that regard I disapprove of him. People need to stop blaming Mattrick. Spencer was in charge of Xbox for pretty much the entire generation of Xbox One. Buying Minecraft didn't bring games to Xbox's customers who paid to get experiences they couldn't get anywhere else. Like I said, who cares what consoles released under him? Without games what do they matter?

I'm going to guess outside of list warriors, few Xbox gamers cared about Yakuza being on Xbox. I never said Spencer didn't make some good moves. I said it took him too long to get anything going and meanwhile Xbox gamers had to sit and watch while everyone else was eating well. They're STILL watching. Yes, he did hype shit over and over again to constantly let people down year after year. I also think he has allowed mismanagement within Xbox's first party. Even David Jaffe and Colin Moriarty feel that's something holding Xbox back. They think Microsoft needs to offer someone who has helped manage Sony lately a ton of money to come over and show them how to do it.

Let me ask you this, what are YOU smoking that you're so on board with a guy whose fans have been waiting 7 years for a bunch of great games they can't get on any other console and will likely be waiting years more? I never even let a woman waste more than 3 months of my time from the start these days. Learned that shit the hard way.

AND JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR! : I'm not saying any of this from a perspective of "fuck you, Spencer sucks". I'm legit just having a conversation and explaining why I don't like the job he's done. No ill intent or nasty feelings.
So you blame Spencer for the time immediately AFTER Mattrick when the X1 was already out and he had no control over what he was given and would have fired him BEFORE the X1X was released, Kinect was removed, and before Game pass. You would have expected a massive turnaround in less than 3 years after inheriting a mess. All I can say is I'm glad you weren't in charge.

All the new studio acquisitions started ramping up in 2017 when you would have given him the boot. One of the biggest issues with Xbox was that there as constant turnover as new executives wanted to take the brand in different directions. Right now I think they are on a good track and that in large part is due to Phil's leadership. Since the brand had been shedding studios before Spencer started picking them back up there was no real way to increase the games output you are complaining about.

The good thing is it appears there is a e3 showing in just 3 days. I'd wait to see what they show before making any final conclusions about Phil's tenure. The best thing is that the people who dislike Phil the most aren't fans of the Xbox either so it's not like they are customers in the first place.
 
  • Fire
  • Like
Reactions: kuncol02 and Riky

OceanGaming

Member
Apr 18, 2021
101
233
245
PC Bros, was Phil Spencer /ourguy/ all along?

On a more serious note, Microsoft is at more ease because PC is (mostly) their back garden.
 

zaanan

Member
Sep 24, 2019
383
521
355
psnprofiles.com
But it should be. It's like when you buy a CD: you buy the license to play that music on whatever equipment you have in your home or car. If you have an iPod or use your cellphone to listen to music, then you can also put that music there because you own that license to that content, REGARDLESS OF THE PLATFORM.

Is that such a hard concept to get? How come some of you people can even defend being charged TWICE for the same content?
Yes, but music is released in industry-standard formats that just work everywhere. In contrast, a game has to be ported to work on a different platform. That work is not free, and a business should try to recoup that cost somehow.
 

VCAwe

Neo Member
Aug 24, 2020
31
102
150
Because the pc has a Microsoft operating system which has been paid for.

Lmao but these people already owned the PC. Nobody is buying a PC specifically to play a Sony game so MS isn't making anything extra off of PlayStation games being put on there. "pie_tears_joy:
 

Ozzy Onya A2Z

Member
Apr 16, 2012
10,089
4,130
1,000
Melbourne, Australia
I don't know what I'm walking in to but...


I disagree!

In my opinion MS has nothing but obstructive and distructive on the PC gaming front since the inception of the Xbox by forcing/buying developers in to making console only games (then shuttering them for not hitting sales targets) also let us not forget Games For Windows Live! or charging for Xbox Live! on PC. Then Windows 10 and the fucking joke of the Windows store happened.

Get fucked.

Your brand is a fucking joke in the PC space.

Any PC gamer can at least appreciate Sony releasing some exclusives on Steam while any PC gamer can also say MS has only been a drag on the platform for almost two decades.

Cracks me up when I read things like this. Here's some food for thought about MS and PC gaming through the decades (yes there is good and bad but I'm showing you another perspsective) -
  • Baseline OS that supports a ton of hardware, manufacturers, standards and more e.g. motherboards, chipsets, DIY, certification etc (far wider and more stable than any variant of Apple iOS or Linux etc)
  • Devices and accessories that just work e.g. controllers, joysticks, keyboards, mice, drivers, firmware etc (good luck getting your latest Thrustmaster simulator pumping right out of the box on Linux)
  • Literally DirectX powering games for decades (say what you will about OpenGL or others but a stable platform anyone can access and learn then deploy literally provides the games you play)
  • Supporting IDEs for a ton of game development e.g. C++, C#, visual studio, WPF, XAML etc
  • Servers for games/cloud apps and database systems that run all the behind the scenes tech of games delivery and development
  • Universal Windows Platform e.g. develop a game once and deploy it to muli-platforms
  • Developer program (managed partners) e.g. tech support or funding
  • ID@Xbox, hello indies making games easier and more output than ever
  • Gamepass contracts with indies, devs, studios, publishers etc e.g. funding or tech support or optimisation
  • Playfab - more for the backend business side of metrics and monetisation
  • Intellectual Property assistance and legal backing e.g. Azure provides direct legal assistance and coverage for games/app devs and IP rights
  • Globalisation and localisation support

My points is whether you like it or not MS is a major driving force behind having a wide spread and stable OS that supports far more devices, configs, consumer and commercial games enabling aspects than any other platform out there. To bash what they produce games or stores wise may be objectively valid but to say "MS has only been a drag on the platform for almost two decades" is fucking misinformed and factually bullshit.
 
Last edited:

Vognerful

Member
May 21, 2020
532
630
375
can you try using a VPN to activate US gamepass?

something like free tunnelbear, just need a few mbs, 10 mins of your time.

dont waste that 3 years Gamepass loophole!
I think he knows, he told me he use similar loop for psn (cheaper prices and aceess to PSNow)
 
  • Like
Reactions: longdi

Chukhopops

Member
Mar 5, 2020
1,072
2,656
490
I don't know what I'm walking in to but...


I disagree!

In my opinion MS has nothing but obstructive and distructive on the PC gaming front since the inception of the Xbox by forcing/buying developers in to making console only games (then shuttering them for not hitting sales targets) also let us not forget Games For Windows Live! or charging for Xbox Live! on PC. Then Windows 10 and the fucking joke of the Windows store happened.

Get fucked.

Your brand is a fucking joke in the PC space.

Any PC gamer can at least appreciate Sony releasing some exclusives on Steam while any PC gamer can also say MS has only been a drag on the platform for almost two decades.
It’s a respectable opinion but MS sells considerably more than Sony on Steam, just look at the numbers of Age of Empires or Sea of Thieves vs Horizon and Days Gone.

Most people are too young to remember but Windows 95 was basically the unifying force that even allowed modern PC gaming to exist, compared to the absolute mess that was MS-DOS.
 

ZehDon

Member
Jun 13, 2013
4,247
7,461
815
Australia
It's probably not a coincidence that Phil made this criticism today. I think they might be announcing a partnership with Steam on Sunday.
To me, that’s the overlooked piece in this thread: Spencer maybe prepping for an announcement here. If Microsoft truly went cross platform with sales to the point of Steam keys, that would be a game changer.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Topher

TransTrender

Gold Member
Dec 17, 2006
3,218
936
1,620
Margaritaville
Don't disagree with nearly all of this but for the last two decades they've been nothing but a drag on the foundation they laid.
Most people are too young to remember but Windows 95 was basically the unifying force that even allowed modern PC gaming to exist, compared to the absolute mess that was MS-DOS.
Don't disagree but in my opinion they have been pretty shit in the PC gaming space.
 

phil_t98

Member
Oct 10, 2014
4,920
5,110
655
Lmao but these people already owned the PC. Nobody is buying a PC specifically to play a Sony game so MS isn't making anything extra off of PlayStation games being put on there. "pie_tears_joy:

what ever, the more pc's that are sold the more money Microsoft have. how do you know people aren't buying new pcs and thinking I can play some if those games on a new pc? do you know what everybody is thinking?
 

zaanan

Member
Sep 24, 2019
383
521
355
psnprofiles.com
Lmao but these people already owned the PC. Nobody is buying a PC specifically to play a Sony game so MS isn't making anything extra off of PlayStation games being put on there. "pie_tears_joy:
Correct, but the point is (which you likely already know, as implied in your inclusion of the word “extra”), they have paid the Microsoft tax and are firmly in the MS ecosystem. And they will continue paying the Microsoft tax in order to upgrade Windows, Office, etc. So they already provide MS with a revenue stream.
My take on this is that MS is doing the same thing they did with crossplay. Crafting PR to make it look like “good guy MS vs bad guy Sony.” And hey, it worked, so chances are it will work again, bc Sony mgmt seems to care what MS says about them.
 

Ozzy Onya A2Z

Member
Apr 16, 2012
10,089
4,130
1,000
Melbourne, Australia
Don't disagree with nearly all of this but for the last two decades they've been nothing but a drag on the foundation they laid.

Don't disagree but in my opinion they have been pretty shit in the PC gaming space.

Sure you're entitled to your own opinion, I still disagree with it besides all the backend sausage making for games development, hosting and support MS are the foundation of. Take a massive game that did support more than just windows (outside the console space), Rocket League.

RL discontinued support for Linux and Apple due to low numbers. If MS was truly a drag the competitors would flourish but they don't. Why? Because objectively MS are the best in town. Could they do better? Sure, there is always room for improvement. I think we're finally seeing the MS/Xbox engine getting into full stride. I'm actually excited about what they have in store for this generation and the next 5-10 years.

I grew up on MS-DOS programming and playing games way back when it was green monochrome text. To me what MS have done over the decades is nothing short of stellar but still historically has flaws and asshole corporate moves woven in there too.
 
  • Thoughtful
Reactions: Hawks Eclipse

Relativ9

Member
Nov 18, 2012
2,417
1,340
785
Narvik, Norway
Phil speaks as if MS launching games on PC is purely out of the goodness of their heart and game sales on the platform, as if they have no possible other reason for wanting to support and prop up PC gaming...you'd almost think they also market and sell an incredibly profitable OS and software services suite that can only run on PC's and would like to motivate as many people as possible (through whatever software they can) to choose PC over Mac...oh wait.

Sony isn't getting extra income from launching games on PC, they're not trying to motivate the public to buy PC's...they're trying to motivate them to buy PS5s...their strategy makes perfect sense.
 
Last edited:
Mar 6, 2016
4,897
5,440
900
You accuse Phil Spencer of dismantling Xbox 1st party studios. What evidence do you have of this? He became a corporate VP in 2017. At that point he would have the power to shut studios down. Before that everything he did had to have to been OKed by a higher up. He had essentially the same position that Matt Booty has now.

Since 2017, Xbox has gained over 15 new studios, started Game pass(!), released the X1X, and the Series consoles. Which part of that legacy should he have been thrown out over? He also worked with Bonnie Ross and convinced Satya Nadella to get a more full throated support of the Xbox brand from MS, something that had been severely lacking during the X1 generation. This resulted in Bethesda's acquisition. For that he should have been fired? If you can point to things he specially did that was worse than what I listed I'd like to see it.

Under Phil’s captaincy of steering the ship in the ‘right direction’ he closed studios and Canned games.

However you fanatics like to keep spouting about all these studios they’ve been buying and the games will come (which they haven’t yet) Starfield 2023 now? Lol.

You’re nearly at rikys level of troll keep it up.
 
  • Empathy
Reactions: DarkMage619

TransTrender

Gold Member
Dec 17, 2006
3,218
936
1,620
Margaritaville
I grew up on MS-DOS programming and playing games way back when it was green monochrome text. To me what MS have done over the decades is nothing short of stellar but still historically has flaws and asshole corporate moves woven in there too.
I wasn't programming in MS-DOS but I was frustrated with Win 3.1 and having to hack my way through half my DOS games for too many reasons, and super appreciate what they did back then and making Win 95 and all the amazing infrastructure they laid, but now they are riding their legacy and burned all the good will they earned. They're making steps in the right direction but haven't made enough progress to get by my first level of cinicisim.
 

Three

Member
Oct 26, 2014
6,540
4,318
620
To me, that’s the overlooked piece in this thread: Spencer maybe prepping for an announcement here. If Microsoft truly went cross platform with sales to the point of Steam keys, that would be a game changer.
They wouldn't be able to do it for anything but their own first party games. Also it's worth noting Steam actually did this with PS3 too for Valve games at one point. So it is likely.
 
Last edited:

ZywyPL

Member
Nov 27, 2018
5,788
10,239
725
Sony isn't getting extra income from launching games on PC, they're not trying to motivate the public to buy PC's...they're trying to motivate them to buy PS5s...their strategy makes perfect sense.

Oh really? Then why those games aren't free, at all, but fully priced instead? And no, they're not gonna convince anyone from PC crowd to get a PS5, for multiple reasons that have already been posted to death in the recent past, and that's exactly why they slowly but surely start to port the games on PC, to get that extra income from the audience they cannot reach, that's why Ryan an Hulst are bringing the exclusives to PC, a bunch of fanboys on the internet might be mad about it, but those two see how much profit it brings in return, at that's what ultimately matters. Sony is once again LTTP, just like after an entire PS3 generation they realized you can charge people for playing online, now they all of a sudden realized there is a huge PC userbase that can feed their wallets. Which is actually a smart move to let the others test the waters and see what works and what fails hard.
 

assurdum

Member
Aug 14, 2020
3,676
6,283
530
It's not a big deal, MS do provide a better service in this respect, there's no point in being outraged by people like Phil or Jim pushing their platform.

I'm sure the board at MS would love it if people paid twice for the same product.
I don't know if you are really so naive or what. Phil Spencer is the personification of the hypocrysy. If he was on the lead on sony would do even worst things of Jim Ryan, just look to the Bethesda aquisition. If he was to the other side in the same case, he would scream to to the abuse of the gamers rights, knowing him. Pretty convenient to be the nice guy just when the things are against his interest, isn't it?
 
Last edited:

John Wick

Member
Jul 23, 2015
1,964
1,978
560
United Kingdom
He's not wrong about charging twice.

But I have no doubt that some will find a way to argue that having to pay twice for the same game is actually good 😂
Of course he is wrong. The PS platform and PC are totally seperate. Why do MS want me to pay for the windows OS for my laptops even though I own it for my PC?
When i buy the digital version of movie do MS throw in the Blu-Ray for free? Sony aren't PC centric like MS.....
 

Hawks Eclipse

Member
Nov 15, 2019
1,610
1,280
480
Incidentally, I know this is a concept that's difficult to understand for sensational websites that live off controversy and cherry-picking small quotes that may trigger the console warriors but...

There's a rather big difference between "criticizing PlayStation" and saying something that your platform has going for it, which people may like, and that other platforms don't have, which is what Spencer is actually doing. 🤔
I was wondering if you'd shine your spotlight on the article+site and you did not disappoint.

Beyond the rubbish editorializing in that article, they can't even spell Hermen's name right yet they are often linked on GAF. I suppose games journalism is always bad until it provides ammo to the warriors, then suddenly it's gospel.
 

Maxwell Jacob Friedman

leads to fear. Fear leads to xbox.
Aug 13, 2020
1,970
3,730
555
Releasing games on pc day 1 as console is typical "how to devalue your console 101"

playstation releasing on their own system and then a few years later so pc people can benchmark etc is smarter and makes them more money in the long run.
 
  • LOL
Reactions: Bernd Lauert

John Wick

Member
Jul 23, 2015
1,964
1,978
560
United Kingdom
maybe sony should release gamepass. Xbox people are feasting with gamepass. This year, they got mlb and outriders for free. What did sony did for their users, charge them 70$.

see, i can use your words.

honestly, this is shit, that i have to stoop to your level.
I think Sony gave away a fair few games for free this year including R&C and Horizon Zero Dawn and some smaller titles. So you've managed to make youself look stupid........
 

ZehDon

Member
Jun 13, 2013
4,247
7,461
815
Australia
They wouldn't be able to do it for anything but their own first party games. Also it's worth noting Steam actually did this with PS3 too for Valve games at one point. So it is likely.
Of course - but that's a pretty amazing list of games for cross-buy. Starfield, Halo Infinite, Forza, Gears, Doom - would be a hell of a deal.
 

Bojanglez

The Amiga Brotherhood
Apr 16, 2007
2,513
1,922
1,540
UK
This is why I can never really like/trust Phil Spencer, he earns quite a bit of good will in some of his actions and comments, but can't help but try and get little digs in like this and undoes it all.

Just concentrate on your own shit. Maybe worry about your own games being late on your new console. You have fans that buy consoles to play new games that don't give a shit about PC, where are the exclusive games to show what the console can do?
 

Coolwhhip

Member
Aug 26, 2019
3,842
11,787
665
This is why I can never really like/trust Phil Spencer, he earns quite a bit of good will in some of his actions and comments, but can't help but try and get little digs in like this and undoes it all.

Just concentrate on your own shit. Maybe worry about your own games being late on your new console. You have fans that buy consoles to play new games that don't give a shit about PC, where are the exclusive games to show what the console can do?

Why would you feel the need to like or trust a sales person anyway? Seems pointless.
 

ZywyPL

Member
Nov 27, 2018
5,788
10,239
725
Releasing games on pc day 1 as console is typical "how to devalue your console 101"

playstation releasing on their own system and then a few years later so pc people can benchmark etc is smarter and makes them more money in the long run.

Selling games to people who don't want a console vs selling games to people who don't want a console. Same deal, different launch date.
 

John Wick

Member
Jul 23, 2015
1,964
1,978
560
United Kingdom
But it should be. It's like when you buy a CD: you buy the license to play that music on whatever equipment you have in your home or car. If you have an iPod or use your cellphone to listen to music, then you can also put that music there because you own that license to that content, REGARDLESS OF THE PLATFORM.

Is that such a hard concept to get? How come some of you people can even defend being charged TWICE for the same content?
Your a genius! Your comparing a CD (which is a universal platform) to closed propriety platforms. So genius as i own some old records can you get me the CD versions for free seeing as I have license for the music?
I've got new for you if you think we haven't been getting charged for the same content. We've been getting charged multiple times for the same content. I've bought Star Wars multiple times.....
 

Bojanglez

The Amiga Brotherhood
Apr 16, 2007
2,513
1,922
1,540
UK
Why would you feel the need to like or trust a sales person anyway? Seems pointless.
You're right, I don't really trust any of them.

But I'd rather they concentrate on their own strategy before throwing shade on people that they previously dismissed as not really being competitors.
 

Klayzer

Member
Nov 17, 2018
1,567
2,892
505
Texas City,Texas
But shouldn't we be getting their games for free on Steam too????
No one seems to want answer the obvious question. By Phil's logic, their Steam releases should be free as well. You cant talk out both sides of your mouth.

Front the costs on the most popular store, or kick rocks. Nobody save Xbox to PC movers are going to use their awful store over Steam. Microsoft PR grandstands like nobody's business.
 
  • Like
Reactions: John Wick

Spidey Fan

Banned
May 30, 2021
1,013
1,304
445
I think Sony gave away a fair few games for free this year including R&C and Horizon Zero Dawn and some smaller titles. So you've managed to make youself look stupid........
Giving away games vs making games at 70$ isn't the same.

I am grateful they made some games free. And they deserve the credit for it.

But that won't change the pricing issues. It might not be an issue, if you are from America. But beyond America, they pay too much shit, because of the price increase. What you consider 10$ increase, is too much on other areas. Look at how much they charge in Australia or canada.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ZywyPL

kuncol02

Member
Apr 4, 2020
1,734
2,080
455
Cracks me up when I read things like this. Here's some food for thought about MS and PC gaming through the decades (yes there is good and bad but I'm showing you another perspsective) -
  • Baseline OS that supports a ton of hardware, manufacturers, standards and more e.g. motherboards, chipsets, DIY, certification etc (far wider and more stable than any variant of Apple iOS or Linux etc)
  • Devices and accessories that just work e.g. controllers, joysticks, keyboards, mice, drivers, firmware etc (good luck getting your latest Thrustmaster simulator pumping right out of the box on Linux)
  • Literally DirectX powering games for decades (say what you will about OpenGL or others but a stable platform anyone can access and learn then deploy literally provides the games you play)
  • Supporting IDEs for a ton of game development e.g. C++, C#, visual studio, WPF, XAML etc
  • Servers for games/cloud apps and database systems that run all the behind the scenes tech of games delivery and development
  • Universal Windows Platform e.g. develop a game once and deploy it to muli-platforms
  • Developer program (managed partners) e.g. tech support or funding
  • ID@Xbox, hello indies making games easier and more output than ever
  • Gamepass contracts with indies, devs, studios, publishers etc e.g. funding or tech support or optimisation
  • Playfab - more for the backend business side of metrics and monetisation
  • Intellectual Property assistance and legal backing e.g. Azure provides direct legal assistance and coverage for games/app devs and IP rights
  • Globalisation and localisation support

My points is whether you like it or not MS is a major driving force behind having a wide spread and stable OS that supports far more devices, configs, consumer and commercial games enabling aspects than any other platform out there. To bash what they produce games or stores wise may be objectively valid but to say "MS has only been a drag on the platform for almost two decades" is fucking misinformed and factually bullshit.
Yeah. No one who remember what gaming looked like pre-DirectX and what controller support PC had before XInput was introduced would say that "MS has nothing but obstructive and distructive on the PC gaming front".
 

Spidey Fan

Banned
May 30, 2021
1,013
1,304
445
But shouldn't we be getting their games for free on Steam too????
They don't own steam. And the fact they even give you their games on pc for free, if you buy it from Xbox is crazy to begin with.

If they owned steam, they would have done it to encourage their console. Like buy on xbox and get steam one free.
 
  • Like
Reactions: DarkMage619