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Windows Central: Xbox Series X $499, Xbox Series S $299, November 10th launch date

Mmnow

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You started the arguing on this point so don't call it ridiculous now. I disagree with your assessment of what someone in their right mind would use 20m for. I've always used it for once we reach multiples of anything. I've definitely said a game has sold millions when it reaches 2 million before and thought nothing of it

This is the stupidest conversation I've ever had on here. You ignored the point of the post completely and zoned in on one tiny thing just to have an argument.

I'm going to repeat myself one more time. It doesn't matter what you do - nobody who has any influence on these things would call 20m tens of millions of copies. It's misleading. It's less impressive than just saying the amount. It takes more space.

People will instantly know what you're trying to do and it's not a good look.
 

Roronoa Zoro

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This is the stupidest conversation I've ever had on here. You ignored the point of the post completely and zoned in on one tiny thing just to have an argument.

I'm going to repeat myself one more time. It doesn't matter what you do - nobody who has any influence on these things would call 20m tens of millions of copies. It's misleading. It's less impressive than just saying the amount. It takes more space.

People will instantly know what you're trying to do and it's not a good look.
See you keep being really aggressive in your assertions so I really don't wanna let that stand. I completely disagree. It's not not a good look. It's just as impressive as saying the amount. It takes less space or more depending on how you word it. It's not misleading
 
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Jim Ryan on the PS5 price:

"I think the best way that we can address this is by providing the best possible value proposition that we can. I don't necessarily mean lowest price. Value is a combination of many things. In our area it means games, it means number of games, depth of games, breadth of games, quality of games, price of games... all of these things and how they avail themselves of the feature set of the platform."

Get ready for the $599 disc version and the $499 digital version.

I think Sony can get away with $549 and $449.
The size of PS5 is what makes me think they can't get it cheaper at this time.
History has shown that the largest console is usually the most expensive.
 
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how much is a disc drive these days realistically? Does it really save sony/ms that much from a manufacturing standpoint?
I know there are software implications but just wondering from a cost perspective
 

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On my GPU calculations based on last gen, it's the XSX that's already taking a signficant hit, PS5 could be possibly on the same price or slightly less, its the most important division Sony has, but it could be anything:

1) Sony taking big losses per unit and using its market power to have a huge gap lead like the current generation

2) Sony selling at the same price as XSX without big losses and using its market power to still have lead over Xbox in a smaller margin

3) Sony taking zero loss, being more expensive than XSX, and accepting a second place but with profits from the start and likely just a bit behind of Xbox due to its market power. I think this is a least likely scenario.

I don't think Sony can afford selling PS5 under production cost like MS. Not again. Not by huge margin at least. MS can bleed money just to prove a point.

I honestly expected these machines to go for 600+$. I mean, lets be real, these things aren't made from paper.

I doubt Sony can't win price wars this time, only game wars.
 
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In that specific scenario then sure but didn't they say current gen would play the games for a couple years?
k....but he wants a next gen console.
Lucky for him, there's a next gen budget console with a more capable CPU than both the X1X and the PS5 for $300. You have to realize that some people want new hardware at a reasonable price right? How much more attractive is that price when the specs are bonkers and the only downside is sub4K native(in this instance we can pretend that ML doesn't exist and sub4K is a deal breaker)
 

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how much is a disc drive these days realistically? Does it really save sony/ms that much from a manufacturing standpoint?
I know there are software implications but just wondering from a cost perspective
It saves no one any real money. They are trying to do what Xbox attempted last gen: usher in the all digital console age. I suspect this to be that last Gen with optical drives
 

Roronoa Zoro

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k....but he wants a next gen console.
Lucky for him, there's a next gen budget console with a more capable CPU than both the X1X and the PS5 for $300. You have to realize that some people want new hardware at a reasonable price right? How much more attractive is that price when the specs are bonkers and the only downside is sub4K native(in this instance we can pretend that ML doesn't exist and sub4K is a deal breaker)
I'm not trashing or endorsing the console holy crap dude. I'm just addressing this specific scenario cause he said he didn't care about graphics. And I didn't know if he had a current thing
 
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mckmas8808

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Messaging is going to be key for Sony. If they price at $399/$499, people will inevitably ask why the DE is $100 more than the Series S, not knowing that Series S is a less powerful machine while the PS5 DE is just a diskless PS5 with all the same internals.

Once people play the games, it'll be obvious. No one has EVER had an issue paying $399 for a new console. It's MS that will have to explain why their "new" console is only $299 at launch.
 
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I don't think Sony can afford selling PS5 under production cost like MS. Not again. Not by huge margin at least. MS can bleed money just to prove a point.

I honestly expected these machines to go for 600+$. I mean, lets be real, these things aren't made from paper.

I doubt, Sony can't win price wars this time, only game wars.

Yeah, it's a tough call, I don't think Sony would be wack on both ends.
 

Roronoa Zoro

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I don't think Sony can afford selling PS5 under production cost like MS. Not again. Not by huge margin at least. MS can bleed money just to prove a point.

I honestly expected these machines to go for 600+$. I mean, lets be real, these things aren't made from paper.

I doubt, Sony can't win price wars this time, only game wars.
They're taking in a lot more money this time than last time. They have a digital console that will make lots of money long term due to high PSN game prices and no retail cut. They have PS4 that is still selling and making them tons of money to make up for whatever ps5 loses on hardware (not to mention PSN PSNOW and software profits from ps5). So yes the PlayStation division can take a loss on hardware just as much as the Xbox division can (which does not benefit from MS' overall profits)
 
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Just before CyberPunk!! Plus I paid for Scorpio 5 hunnit when you think about..this time around you get a goddamn bang for the buck for the Series X, its a wrap folks

..nnnnexxxt!!
 

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I still dont believe the $499 leak. MS is still waiting for Sony to announce the pricing so they can match it or undercut it with XSX. Why on earth would you only confirm one leaked part and ignore the rest?
 
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Me starting a console war lol. If anything your last sentence was more war starting that anything I’ve ever said. Get real buddy.
Says he's not starting a console war but came into this thread exaggerating about the PS5 price... I love how you basically had no response to anything I actually said besides the last line, hence why I said it in the first place.

That's only because it's the truth. Microsoft made the Xbox One $100 more than their competition because of one stupid peripheral gimmick. To compare, I gave a nice friendly little jab to mess around a little bit, but you come on here to bait people and start crap with nothing to back it up with.

As I said, PS5 isn't going to be more expensive, but go ahead and hold onto your little pipe dream, I know it'll make you excited, but most people on here don't care.
 
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hemo memo

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lol "compete". There is no competition. Telling you all that Sony would be foolish to match. They can price if at $599 and it will easily sell out. Some of you are REALLY underestimating the Sony brand.

Not sure if serious so I would assume not. It is not like we have examples from history to go back to.
 
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Wow ... I was not expecting this. Surely they will be loosing money on both consoles. Anyways if true the pricing is very aggressive. Let us see how it goes.
 

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I wasn't in favor of a 500 dollar price (I guess it was to be expected) but thankfully a alternative exists, to keep people with money problems invested into the next-gen transaction, that is. If they want to continue buying new games.

Sony ain't lowering the price, of their new console for the competition, worst case scenario is pricing an extra 100 dollars like the PS3
 

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Wow ... I was not expecting this. Surely they will be loosing money on both consoles. Anyways if true the pricing is very aggressive. Let us see how it goes.

It does seem a cheap price. I guess they'll recoup the money with game-pass subscriptions after a year or two.
 
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On my GPU calculations based on last gen, it's the XSX that's already taking a signficant hit, PS5 could be possibly on the same price or slightly less, its the most important division Sony has, but it could be anything:
Sonys chip is working on much higher frequency (If previous RDNA generation is any indication then almost on chip max frequency) which makes producing chips way more expensive. MS also can repurpose partially not working chips to make XSSes. Sony need to throw them away. I think PS5 APU can be more expensive to produce at the end especially because XSS exists.
 
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Console to big and ugly. Also nothing I can’t play on the X. I’ll pass for now and wait for the revision will playing halo inFinite On the X
 
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Nice, means we’ll likely be able to cop a series X in about a year at 400. I’d need some heavy exclusives to make me convert my ecosystem over which is the biggest issue in playing any games on another console. Series S looks promising in general, may grab some market share.
 

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The Series S gives people access to the library (such that it is), is a replacement for the One S, and is very aggressive on price which makes sense in a world of a government-caused collapse of the economy. Not going to do that Dodgeball meme but we've never seen a company approach a new gen of console in this way, so who knows if it will work.

Once people play the games, it'll be obvious. No one has EVER had an issue paying $399 for a new console. It's MS that will have to explain why their "new" console is only $299 at launch.

On the other hand, you look at something like the iPhone lineup, and the base phones are always the best selling. I mean the difference between the PS4 and PS4 Pro were pretty easy to see but the PS4 Pro was only about 20% of the market. My guess is the One X is a little higher but most of the sales are almost definitely One S.
 
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Isn't that the expected price? Seems to me the main thing is whether the digital will be $100 or $50 less due to long term profits on an all digital platform


For me it is!!! But I keep seeing people saying "449" now and "399"... no way.

This SSD has got to be ridiculously expensive... it already "ate" part of the GPU.... but I don't think it's done eating.
 

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Says he's not starting a console war but came into this thread exaggerating about the PS5 price... I love how you basically had no response to anything I actually said besides the last line, hence why I said it in the first place.

That's only because it's the truth. Microsoft made the Xbox One $100 more than their competition because of one stupid peripheral gimmick. To compare, I gave a nice friendly little jab to mess around a little bit, but you come on here to bait people and start crap with nothing to back it up with.

As I said, PS5 isn't going to be more expensive, but go ahead and hold onto your little pipe dream, I know it'll make you excited, but most people on here don't care.
Says he's not starting a console war but came into this thread exaggerating about the PS5 price... I love how you basically had no response to anything I actually said besides the last line, hence why I said it in the first place.

That's only because it's the truth. Microsoft made the Xbox One $100 more than their competition because of one stupid peripheral gimmick. To compare, I gave a nice friendly little jab to mess around a little bit, but you come on here to bait people and start crap with nothing to back it up with.

As I said, PS5 isn't going to be more expensive, but go ahead and hold onto your little pipe dream, I know it'll make you excited, but most people on here don't care.
at this point everyone is exaggerating the price point for the PS5 because know actually knows it. You reply to my quote saying “please stop the console war junk” yet you reply with a ridiculous line then reply again with another war starting statement. Your a clown that’s all you are. Am I clown too? Dam straight I am.
 

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It does seem a cheap price. I guess they'll recoup the money with game-pass subscriptions after a year or two.
Same thing as PS5 DE. Every game sold on a digital console is new and they make higher profits due to no retail cut. Then theres the store prices for the digital sales which usually take MUCH longer to be discounted and are almost always higher priced than the physical versions after a few weeks.
 

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Don’t know if this was posted already.
 

Roronoa Zoro

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For me it is!!! But I keep seeing people saying "449" now and "399"... no way.

This SSD has got to be ridiculously expensive... it already "ate" part of the GPU.... but I don't think it's done eating.
Well I'm with you on PS5 being $499 especially if XSX is that. I do think digital will be $399 to get it close to series X And they'll justify it to their shareholders by saying it'll make more money long term for the reasons I listed in the previous post
 

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this is it people! next generation begins for real now. or at least the pre-launch period has an end date now. it's gonna be expensive all told with everything taken into account, between xbox series x and playstation 5 and nvidia 3000 series and everything is coming to a glorious finale which will represent the end of previous generation and the merciless crushing of old school machines goodbye nintendo switch we barely knew you :eek:
 

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Well I'm with you on PS5 being $499 especially if XSX is that. I do think digital will be $399 to get it close to series X And they'll justify it to their shareholders by saying it'll make more money long term for the reasons I listed in the previous post


What bothers me about the idea of a digital at $399 is that it's too much of a drop for a lack of disc drive. 100USD for a disc drive is absolutely ridiculous.

I don't think they'll lower the capacity either.

They should throw in 6 months of PLUS or something to the more expensive model to justify it if they'll separate pricing by 100 dollars.

It's a tough needle to thread.
 

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For me it is!!! But I keep seeing people saying "449" now and "399"... no way.

This SSD has got to be ridiculously expensive... it already "ate" part of the GPU.... but I don't think it's done eating.

Not really. The XSS has a 512GB SSD likely using higher priced (than PS5's cheaper but more) flash chips. Yet that thing retails for £250. Take away 20% VAT and that makes it £200. Take away retailer/distro cuts, shipping and it doesn't leave a lot for the BOM and Microsoft's own take (if any).

How could the SSD cost much at all? I would wager for the XSS it costs no more than £40 of the ~£180? BOM.

I'll keep saying many are in some cases vastly overestimating parts costs. My bet is PS5 SSD would have a BOM of £50-£75 and cost offset by fewer GDDR6 chips and a nicely smaller SOC than XSX (~320mm2 vs 360mm2).
 

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If the Series X will be $499.99, then like in the past, why wouldn't people just get that?
I wouldn't spend half a grand on a gaming console for my daughter. Now I game of course so that changes things. From a non gaming parent point of few.. $499 is a lot for a video game system.
 
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