SunBroDave
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Good, everything about the story and characters in WD1 was trash.
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Why Watch Dogs 2 is ditching Aiden Pearce:a story of youth,racial profiling,hacktivis
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ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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So a bunch of middle aged, straight white guys don't get the fashion of someone half their age and from a totally different background.
The myopia on display here is staggering.
Blitzrules240
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Hmmm me thinks Wrench is gonna become the bad guy...
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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Probably not. They already used that trope with default in WD1.
Too much similarites between the two really.
TheSpoiler
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That doesn't exclude them from doing research. No one is asking them to draw from a personal experience only.
Blitzrules240
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Hmmm good point, I forgot the betrayal of
Jordy
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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I wasn't talking about the developers.
Gotta say, for a forum that is constantly harping about inclusion and diversity, there seems alot of shitty attitudes about how gaming characters should look like, act like and sound like.
Im looking forward to when this game launches and a bunch of posters claiming they "can't identify" with the characters in this game, as if that is some barometer of quailty.
ScientificPizza
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The other day I saw a guy with a ponytail wearing a long leather trench coat and a floral patterned traditional Chinese shirt. Aiden's wardrobe is tame compared to what some people actually wear
TheSpoiler
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Oh, I see. By bad.
But honestly, as a black male, I'm hoping they do right by this game. I'm really fearful of people of dubious quality dipping their hands into important issues, moreso when it relates to me. This kind of thing needs to be handled properly, and I'll wait until the final product before making a final call either way regardless.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
In the reveal trailer they did cut to him specifically when they said that some Dedsec members are "more violent." Hmm.
I look forward to Watch_Dogs: Revelations where they bring Aiden back and try to retcon him to be more interesting and likeable.
On the entire player motivation vs character motivation argument, I agree. Even though a non lethal option is present, it feels like it should be the only way the game is played based on what they are conveying Marcus's motivations and characteristics are. Its always been a problem I've had with the non lethal option games present, as it is usually a "you get a good ending/higher score" mechanic and not actually something directly weaved into the game. In open world games especially, having the option makes no sense when it seems like it is "the right" way to play. Example, MGSV. You have a huge arsenal of weapons you can develop whenever you recruit members to Mother Base, but in order to do that you need to non lethally neutralize enemies, so you can then add them to R&D so they make better things for you, but why give the player lethal options when it is more beneficial to play the game non lethally?
Its a problem a lot of games recently seem to have are tonally inconsistent mechanics with the narrative. The best example I can think of is the Tomb Raider reboot, where Lara is grieving over her first kill, and then immediately guns down 5 more guys. Another would be dishonored, where players are basically locked out of a bunch of mechanics and abilities if they want to pursue a "non-lethal" run in order to get the "good ending".
It sounds petty considering I am complaining about how people play the game, but I feel it lowers a games identity when "play it however you want" becomes ingrained in the philosophy of its design, because some methods are clearly better than others, so why the game didn't revolve around the sensible or better mechanic never gels with me.
On the entire player motivation vs character motivation argument, I agree. Even though a non lethal option is present, it feels like it should be the only way the game is played based on what they are conveying Marcus's motivations and characteristics are. Its always been a problem I've had with the non lethal option games present, as it is usually a "you get a good ending/higher score" mechanic and not actually something directly weaved into the game. In open world games especially, having the option makes no sense when it seems like it is "the right" way to play. Example, MGSV. You have a huge arsenal of weapons you can develop whenever you recruit members to Mother Base, but in order to do that you need to non lethally neutralize enemies, so you can then add them to R&D so they make better things for you, but why give the player lethal options when it is more beneficial to play the game non lethally?
Its a problem a lot of games recently seem to have are tonally inconsistent mechanics with the narrative. The best example I can think of is the Tomb Raider reboot, where Lara is grieving over her first kill, and then immediately guns down 5 more guys. Another would be dishonored, where players are basically locked out of a bunch of mechanics and abilities if they want to pursue a "non-lethal" run in order to get the "good ending".
It sounds petty considering I am complaining about how people play the game, but I feel it lowers a games identity when "play it however you want" becomes ingrained in the philosophy of its design, because some methods are clearly better than others, so why the game didn't revolve around the sensible or better mechanic never gels with me.
I disagree because that's just the starting point. If a character was falsely accused of a crime when they did nothing wrong they could easily just say screw it I'm getting blamed anyway and do all sorts of terrible things.
Think Minority Report starring Tom cruise.
Huge Succeeded
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After having read the Watch_Dogs reveal thread, I sure wouldn't place any confidence in US GAF's interpretation of how American youth actually dress, either.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Lol so true I didn't realize how old the general poster was until that thread.
Uh, guys, you do realize they arent trying to depict a actual realistic depiction of actual hackers, right? Their exagerated stylistic choices are very much on purpose.
Are you telling me that Solid Snake is not indicative of an American soldier? Or Laura Croft of archaeologists?
Huge Succeeded
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"edgelord hipster douchebag" BOOM I just described everyone in America who's under 30 and isn't a fuckin scrub lmao
BlackSalad
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I thought watch dogs 1 was sort of
bland, but yet I know I'll probably buy this Ubi-Collectathon
old manatee
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no.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
So they recently commented on what Marcus's personality is like
Muffdraul
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