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Why Sony? Why can't I use my dualshock on PS5 games?

sainraja

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A uniform approach that includes DS4 compatibility with PS4 games and with PS5 games via remote play? A uniform approach for multi platform games that will appear on consoles that have none of the DualSense capabilities whatsoever? Not only are your statements completely incoherent and flat out wrong, this takes nothing away from the devs who are free to implement these features as they please, or from players who want to use the DualSense. It’s childish gatekeeping by some holier-than-thou shill. Sony wants to sell DualSenses, nothing more.



They are free to use the speaker if they choose (and output to regular audio as normal,
done in every other version of the game). Great PS5 example by the way, as this has been done since the PS4 with its controller speaker (another argument for DS4 compatibility).
The speaker wasn't necessarily an example of the PS5 btw. It was to show how long it can take a feature to get adopted or start getting more use, not excluding the DS4 with the example. I know there were some other games who used it similarity to Deathloop but not as many as I would have liked. Ghost of Tsushima also makes good use of that with the wind sounds.

I am not arguing against DS4 compatibility if that's what people are taking away from my posts. I just think Sony is willing to take the hardline approach to pushing people and more specifically developers to add-in support for the unique features that the Dualsense does bring. One of the other ways Sony did that was by releasing Astro's Playroom. That was basically lead by example. The other, as evidenced by this thread, the more controversial move, being making it a requirement for PS5 games. I know why people don't like it but I also understand why it is being done and certainly money is a motivating factor but it's NOT the sole reason for it, because they had other easier options to go with if money was the only thing they cared for.
 
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FrankWza

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A uniform approach that includes DS4 compatibility with PS4 games and with PS5 games via remote play?
What does this have to do with playing on PS5. It has to be allowed to use DS4 on remote play. The PS4 can be used to remote play PS5 games. How are they supposed to take that feature away. You’d be crying even louder if they did.

A uniform approach for multi platform games that will appear on consoles that have none of the DualSense capabilities whatsoever?
Yeah. And it makes the PS5 version have more features that everyone playing on PS5 can use.
Not only are your statements completely incoherent and flat out wrong
I noticed you left out most of what i said though. Nice try.
this takes nothing away from the devs who are free to implement these features as they please, or from players who want to use the DualSense.
It’s about giving the incentive to utilize so that it doesn’t become a forgotten set of features. I don’t see any devs complaining about it. Do you? They want to see that their work is not wasted and unused.
It’s childish gatekeeping by some holier-than-thou shill.
It comes with the tech territory. Are you still crying that you can’t use your iPod cable with your iPhone or your micro usb charger on usb c. Does it anger you when you can’t fit a vhs cassette into your routers Ethernet port and stream it to another part of the house. Do you park your horse and buggy next to your car or do you stable him?
 

Batiman

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The most frustrating aspect of the console for me, i physically cannot hold the dualsense, and newer PS5 games have blocked adapters like the cronus that allow cross controller support. So i'm just using my PS5 as a glorified PS4 until something gets done about it and I'm just buying PS4 versions of games.

You can bypass the restriction with PS4 remote play, which I do sometimes, but it's a pain.
Just out of curiosity. Why can’t you physically hold the duelsense? I agree it’s super uncomfortable to me too.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
It comes with the tech territory. Are you still crying that you can’t use your iPod cable with your iPhone or your micro usb charger on usb c. Does it anger you when you can’t fit a vhs cassette into your routers Ethernet port and stream it to another part of the house. Do you park your horse and buggy next to your car or do you stable him?
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The speaker wasn't necessarily an example of the PS5 btw. It was to show how long it can take a feature to get adopted or start getting more use, not excluding the DS4 with the example. I know there were some other games who used it similarity to Deathloop but not as many as I would have liked. Ghost of Tsushima also makes good use of that.

I think it’s a great example of a feature that has a split userbase where the devs implement the feature anyway on the appropriate hardware. There seems to be a sentiment where you need to force things on players in order to make devs utilize them, that’s clearly not the case. If a controller supports everything (or a game has fallback options) they should be compatible.


It would be a different story if the DS4 did not at all work or connect to the console, the artificial barrier is the issue at hand here.
 

sainraja

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I think it’s a great example of a feature that has a split userbase where the devs implement the feature anyway on the appropriate hardware. There seems to be a sentiment where you need to force things on players in order to make devs utilize them, that’s clearly not the case. If a controller supports everything (or a game has fallback options) they should be compatible.


It would be a different story if the DS4 did not at all work or connect to the console, the artificial barrier is the issue at hand here.
I edited my previous post to clarify a few things but it's not really about forcing players; it's to say players on the PS5 will be using a Dualsense guaranteed when they are playing PS5 games. Sure, there are ways around that but the number of people who do that can't be higher than those who just go with what's given and what they are required to use. Anyway, if money was the only motivating factor which a lot of you seem to believe, I think they had other easier options to go with over what they did release with the Dualsense.
 
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KAL2006

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But in order to ensure its utilization, there needs to be a uniform approach. Once the DS4 is used, you’re now taking away from what they’re building towards from PS5 and going forward. If it’s 100% then leave it be.

It’s not at all that. That’s why the option to turn it off is there.

And you still have a choice not to use it. There once was a company that included a camera with every console they sold and charged for it.

Enough where I don’t need to pay a set amount every month and have a list that was curated for me by people I don’t know.
Enough that I can buy and play what I want, when I want and don’t need a game included in a subscription.

Nice do they have more job positions for Sony shilling on forums I'd like to apply if the salary is good
 

FrankWza

Member
So you've confirmed that no you cannot buy any 3rd party dual sense controllers yet you defend Sony's decision to remove options from gamers.
What does 3rd party peripheral makers have to do with Sony unless they’re licensed? There are third party fight sticks and pads, flight sticks and hotas and wheels that you can use on PS5. I installed 3rd party back buttons on my dualsense. There’s plenty of options.
I wonder why you'd defend Sony's lack of options here yet speak so passionately against what other platforms are doing? Especially when those platforms give gamers those options. So strange indeed.
Because I don’t need a 3rd party controller that is worse than first party. And if it isn’t licensed you risk it being unsupported if there’s ever a firmware update that messes with it. The other platforms offer less options out of proprietary USB and wireless protocols. Huge difference.
There is also no reason why you can't get digital games away from Sony's store or buy 3rd party controllers or are forced to pay for cloud saves. Hopefully Sony will change their policies like they did with the paid upgrade path for cross generational games like Horizon Forbidden West. Customers deserve to be treated better. We are the ones keeping them in business.
You’re going way off topic. You must hate your PS5. Do you ever kick it? Do you lock it in a closet or a keep it trapped in a well?
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What does this have to do with playing on PS5. It has to be allowed to use DS4 on remote play. The PS4 can be used to remote play PS5 games. How are they supposed to take that feature away. You’d be crying even louder if they did.


Yeah. And it makes the PS5 version have more features that everyone playing on PS5 can use.

I noticed you left out most of what i said though. Nice try.

It’s about giving the incentive to utilize so that it doesn’t become a forgotten set of features. I don’t see any devs complaining about it. Do you? They want to see that their work is not wasted and unused.

It comes with the tech territory. Are you still crying that you can’t use your iPod cable with your iPhone or your micro usb charger on usb c. Does it anger you when you can’t fit a vhs cassette into your routers Ethernet port and stream it to another part of the house. Do you park your horse and buggy next to your car or do you stable him?

DS4 remote play splits the userbase. Of course this will never matter because it comes with a DualSense, so they can still use all the features.

Nothing was left out, there was nary content in your post.

Clearly your jimmies have been rustled and you are losing sleep at the thought of “progress” being forgotten. If the features are so easily forgotten they weren’t important to begin with. You sound like you have an inferiority complex. Devs have no reason to comment either way, they will use the tools and features available to them if they feel like it.

There is no comparison between gimmicky controller features and actual technological advancements, but it’s clear you can not recognize the distinction - which comes as no surprise when you can’t even put together a coherent thought that doesn’t contradict itself.
 

FrankWza

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Nice do they have more job positions for Sony shilling on forums I'd like to apply if the salary is good
It’s shilling when you correct people on Sonys side but when you do it for the xbox what do you call it?

DS4 remote play splits the userbase. Of course this will never matter because it comes with a DualSense, so they can still use all the features.
On a PS4 it has to work. It already comes with a DS4. On tablets and most other devices there was no dualsense compatibility until after launch and a lot of the features don’t work over remote play. It’s a PS5 feature set on PS5.
Nothing was left out, there was nary content in your post.

Clearly your jimmies have been rustled and you are losing sleep at the thought of “progress” being forgotten. If the features are so easily forgotten they weren’t important to begin with. You sound like you have an inferiority complex. Devs have no reason to comment either way, they will use the tools and features available to them if they feel like it.

There is no comparison between gimmicky controller features and actual technological advancements, but it’s clear you can not recognize the distinction - which comes as no surprise when you can’t even put together a coherent thought that doesn’t contradict itself.
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I edited my previous post to clarify a few things but it's not really about forcing players; it's to say players on the PS5 will be using a Dualsense guaranteed when they are playing PS5 games. Sure, there are ways around that but the number of people who do that can't be higher than those who just go with what's given and what they are required to use. Anyway, if money was the only motivating factor which a lot of you seem to believe, I think they had other easier options to go with over what they did release with the Dualsense.

I understand what you are saying with the “guarantee” but that just doesn’t apply to having this option. Once again, every PS5 comes with a DualSense. You need to go out of your way to use a DS4, so the devs can stop losing sleep about “wasted effort”. The vast majority of players will use the controller that came with it. If they love the tech, they’ll buy another DualSense for a multiplayer.

Sony is clearly afraid these features aren’t enough to sell people on the DualSense, and it’s anti consumer when the capabilities exist today and they go out of their way to block it. It’s no different than companies like when Keurig blocked other k-cups from being used.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
I understand what you are saying with the “guarantee” but that just doesn’t apply to having this option. Once again, every PS5 comes with a DualSense. You need to go out of your way to use a DS4, so the devs can stop losing sleep about “wasted effort”. The vast majority of players will use the controller that came with it. If they love the tech, they’ll buy another DualSense for a multiplayer.

Sony is clearly afraid these features aren’t enough to sell people on the DualSense, and it’s anti consumer when the capabilities exist today and they go out of their way to block it. It’s no different than companies like when Keurig blocked other k-cups from being used.
Sony isn't stopping 3rd parties from licensing controllers. They exist, and more will be on the way.
 

sainraja

Member
I understand what you are saying with the “guarantee” but that just doesn’t apply to having this option. Once again, every PS5 comes with a DualSense. You need to go out of your way to use a DS4, so the devs can stop losing sleep about “wasted effort”. The vast majority of players will use the controller that came with it. If they love the tech, they’ll buy another DualSense for a multiplayer.

Sony is clearly afraid these features aren’t enough to sell people on the DualSense, and it’s anti consumer when the capabilities exist today and they go out of their way to block it. It’s no different than companies like when Keurig blocked other k-cups from being used.
Sure, there are better ways they could have done it. I am not arguing against DS4 compatibility. I think they have just taken a hardline approach and who knows (and I hope they do reverse it) in the future, when it's not as necessary, they might remove the barrier.
 

FrankWza

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Sure, there are better ways they could have done it. I am not arguing against DS4 compatibility. I think they have just taken a hardline approach and who knows (and I hope they do reverse it) in the future, when it's not as necessary, they might remove the barrier.
Someone would complain there too. If COD put in hair trigger support the DS4 users would complain that the Dualsense users have an advantage. Basically people like to complain and when others don’t they’re considered shills or whatever. These are businesses. They spend time on R&D and developers spend time on implementing the ideas. Everyone has to eat.
Much like any of the big 3 platform holders, you have to license from them. This isn't exclusive to just Sony.
Exactly. No license and you risk your peripheral having issues if there’s ever a firmware update that messes with compatibility. Intended or not. Xbox has proprietary USB ports that extend to audio on top of peripherals and a proprietary wireless signal. We don’t need to go over their storage since that’s unrelated.
 
Sure, there are better ways they could have done it. I am not arguing against DS4 compatibility. I think they have just taken a hardline approach and who knows (and I hope they do reverse it) in the future, when it's not as necessary, they might remove the barrier.

Not saying you are against it. I get your point they are taking the hardline approach, which also why we can have a real conversation (unlike the other person who has been reduced to name calling/image spamming).

And Sony is within their rights to do so, it is their platform after all. Likewise, it’s fair to call them out as anti consumer or greedy for this behavior.

I do hope they allow this at some point, considering PS5 games are the only thing in the entire console that the DS4 doesn’t work with. Or maybe a heroic third party will take up the reigns and deliver a DS4-like alternative. Judging by the turnout for this topic, there is a market for having the option.
 

FrankWza

Member
gatekeep (and do a poor job at it, by the way).
Not only are your statements completely incoherent and flat out wrong
It’s childish gatekeeping by some holier-than-thou shill.

Nothing was left out, there was nary content in your post.
Clearly your jimmies have been rustled and you are losing sleep at the thought of “progress” being forgotten.
You sound like you have an inferiority complex.
you can’t even put together a coherent thought that doesn’t contradict itself.



which also why we can have a real conversation (unlike the other person who has been reduced to name calling/image spamming).

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IntentionalPun

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Someone would complain there too. If COD put in hair trigger support the DS4 users would complain that the Dualsense users have an advantage. Basically people like to complain and when others don’t they’re considered shills or whatever. These are businesses. They spend time on R&D and developers spend time on implementing the ideas. Everyone has to eat.

I don't think you are a shill personally; being a bit obnoxious though aren't you?

It's an annoyance, especially since the DualSense has been hardly full proof from issues.. having a house full of DS4's that would work perfectly fine other than arbitrary "controller DRM" when your DualSense breaks is especially frustrating lol

People "like to complain"? Or they.. are just pointing out something.. annoying? We aren't talking about DRM that is actually blocking piracy.. it is blocking people from using Sony products on a Sony product lol

Companies do things to make money? No shit.. and customers complain.. sometimes those complaints are heard.. and products get better.. for customers... expending so much energy basically telling people to shut up.. and then want to whine if people think you are a shill? LOL.. I mean come on.
 
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Hestar69

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Xbox better..............at letting you use your old controllers on the newer xbox's...Really don't get why sony cant make ps4 ones work on ps5...Pure greed honestly.
 

Tommi84

Member
Sony doesn't allow you tu use DS4 for PS5 games, because the old controler doesn't have haptic feedback and those special triggers.

And you better not start with all the 'b b buuut you can turn these of in the menu!' thing

no need to use sense and logic in some of the Sony's decision, mkay :D
 
I’m getting more and more used to the dualsense as i’m playing returnal. However the ds4 is still better. Going to stack up on ds4’s whenever they hit clearance or if they do.

The adaptive triggers on dualsense are JUNK and I immediately turned it off
 
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Tams

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That would make some sense if you couldn't disable the DualSense Haptics and Adaptive Triggers. So it just seems half-hearted and greedy.
Because not having that option would lead to a load of complaints.

The point is that the hardware is there. Developers know that any PS5 owner has at least one controller that has that hardware, so they will be more likely to develop using it. By making it so that PS5 games require DualSense controllers means that they can also be pretty confident that owners have more than one DualSense controller. And given the choice, people would absolutely choose the cheaper DualShock over the DualSense.

I'm sure Sony are being greedy too, but that's not news.
 
Because not having that option would lead to a load of complaints.

The point is that the hardware is there. Developers know that any PS5 owner has at least one controller that has that hardware, so they will be more likely to develop using it. By making it so that PS5 games require DualSense controllers means that they can also be pretty confident that owners have more than one DualSense controller. And given the choice, people would absolutely choose the cheaper DualShock over the DualSense.

I'm sure Sony are being greedy too, but that's not news.
I used a european price search engine and the cheapest price for the Dual Shock 4 in AT, DE, PL, UK, IT and ES is 58,98 Euro while Dual Sense starts at 59,90 Euro. Nobody would buy the old controller for almost the same price as the new one. It doesn't affect devs, it only hurts owners of multiple PS4 controllers who want to couch coop with friends.
 
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Shmunter

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Moving the gen forward by mandating baseline adoption is and always was the right move. Too bad about releasing cross gen games tho, it’s like the right and left hands are doing their own things.
 

Thirty7ven

Sony make cringe trainers.
It just so convenient that some people think like this because Xbox decided this gen to do it different, but then you ask “why can’t I use the 360 controller? I can on Pc” and all of a sudden you are taking things too far.

Fanboys man.
 

tassletine

Member
I agree. I don't like hefty controllers that fit "snugly".
It's a really personal thing but I like controllers to be light and loose as it enables a more flexible way of playing. It's dumb that they won't allow back compatibility.

You can get your hands around the dual shock really quickly and I always loved it for that.
All these new controllers are too obsessed with ergonomics and end up feeling like you're holding a sandwich. They may reduce fatigue but I think they've traded some fun for that.

The Dual Sense rumble is quite impressive though. I like that arcadey feel so that might make up for it.
 

sainraja

Member
I used a european price search engine and the cheapest price for the Dual Shock 4 in AT, DE, PL, UK, IT and ES is 58,98 Euro while Dual Sense starts at 59,90 Euro. Nobody would buy the old controller for almost the same price as the new one. It doesn't affect devs, it only hurts owners of multiple PS4 controllers who want to couch coop with friends.
Prices being the same in a specific areas does not necessarily mean it's true for everywhere else. You keep pointing to prices in Europe but ignore the fact that here in the U.S. which is also one of the bigger markets for gaming has the DS4 cheaper than the Dualsense — a good $20 dollar cheaper than the Dualsense.
 
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FrankWza

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I don't think you are a shill personally; being a bit obnoxious though aren't you?

It's an annoyance, especially since the DualSense has been hardly full proof from issues.. having a house full of DS4's that would work perfectly fine other than arbitrary "controller DRM" when your DualSense breaks is especially frustrating lol

People "like to complain"? Or they.. are just pointing out something.. annoying? We aren't talking about DRM that is actually blocking piracy.. it is blocking people from using Sony products on a Sony product lol

Companies do things to make money? No shit.. and customers complain.. sometimes those complaints are heard.. and products get better.. for customers... expending so much energy basically telling people to shut up.. and then want to whine if people think you are a shill? LOL.. I mean come on.
Obnoxious? Did you read the posts I was replying to? I don’t think I told anyone to shut up. I explained where they’re coming from. Like it or not that’s why it’s being done. If they introduced dualsense features and they ended up not being supported this same cast of characters would say “see!? It’s just a gimmick and I knew it wouldn’t be supported for long”
Just because there’s a valid explanation that they don’t want to hear you’re automatically shilling. Look at how many posts are claiming it’s just about money or greed.
Because not having that option would lead to a load of complaints.
Also, accessibility for people with physical restrictions.
It just so convenient that some people think like this because Xbox decided this gen to do it different, but then you ask “why can’t I use the 360 controller? I can on Pc” and all of a sudden you are taking things too far.

Fanboys man.
stop shilling :)
 
Prices being the same in a specific areas does not necessarily mean it's true for everywhere else. You keep pointing to prices in Europe but ignore the fact that here in the U.S. which is also one of the bigger markets for gaming has the DS4 cheaper than the Dualsense — a good $20 dollar cheaper than the Dualsense.
I have no price search engine for the USA, but i checked the biggest online retailers like Amazon, Walmart or Target and the biggest difference i found was 9 bucks. Who would prefer an old last gen controller with less functions for just 9 bucks less?

If prices were globally like 70 bucks vs 40 bucks that would be a different story,

Devs are implenenting the gimmicks although they know Switch, Xbox and most Pc users won't use it and we also have the
the bundled Dual Sense + unintersting Dual Shock 4 prices.

For all the above reasons i don't think that a single dev would say "No, when people can use their old Dual Shock 4 we won't make this anymore". It seems to be very easy and fast to implement the gimmicks otherwise there wouldn't be so much support. I mean we barely had 3rd party devs that made use of the speakers or touchpad although every PS4 user had to use the DS4.
 
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sainraja

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I have no price search engine for the USA, but i checked the biggest online retailers like Amazon, Walmart or Target and the biggest difference i found was 9 bucks. Who would prefer an old last gen controller with less functions for just 9 bucks less?

If prices were globally like 70 bucks vs 40 bucks that would be a different story,

Devs are implenenting the gimmicks although they know Switch, Xbox and most Pc users won't use it and we also have the
the bundled Dual Sense + unintersting Dual Shock 4 prices.

For all the above reasons i don't think that a single dev would say "No, when people can use their old Dual Shock 4 we won't make this anymore". It seems to be very easy and fast to implement the gimmicks otherwise there wouldn't be so much support. I mean we barely had 3rd party devs that made use of the speakers or touchpad although every PS4 user had to use the DS4.
The standard MSRP price of the base controller for DS4 is $54.99 while the MSRP price of Dualsense is $69.99. Given the retailers you mentioned, I think you are seeing a variation in price due to the fact the DS4 isn't really available anymore (I just did a search and could not find a base controller for DS4, only the special colors which have always cost more than the standard base one, this is also true for Dualsense, you can see the colored ones cost more than the white; also there were some of them being sold by third-party sellers for a lot more than they would normally go for - no surprise, gaming is in demand and I just sold my PS4 Pro so quick I could hardly blink).

Regardless, it's a hardline approach they've taken and a controversial one as evidenced by this thread. The new gen consoles just came out with only one of them making a change in tech to their controller so they kinda have to push for it and it seems the way it has been done so isn't popular with some.
 
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The standard MSRP price of the base controller for DS4 is $54.99 while the MSRP price of Dualsense is $69.99. Given the retailers you mentioned, I think you are seeing a variation in price due to the fact the DS4 isn't really available anymore (I just did a search and could not find a base controller for DS4, only the special colors which have always cost more than the standard base one, this is also true for Dualsense, you can see the colored ones cost more than the white.)

Regardless, it's a hardline approach they've taken and a controversial one as evidenced by this thread. The new gen consoles just came out with only one of them making a change in tech to their controller so they kinda have to push for it and it seems the way it has been done so isn't popular with some.
Haha, you just got me in my edit, so i post it here:

I think it would have been much more consequent and believable if they would have completely blocked the DS4 on PS5. I also think less people would complain. So a somewhat bad feeling remains, but it is what it is.
 

sainraja

Member
Haha, you just got me in my edit, so i post it here:

I think it would have been much more consequent and believable if they would have completely blocked the DS4 on PS5. I also think less people would complain. So a somewhat bad feeling remains, but it is what it is.
I mean, fair enough. There are definitely other ways they could have handled it. But it's probably a situation where you can't please everyone and perhaps they did take the more controversial route but yeah it is what it is.
 
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wvnative

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Just out of curiosity. Why can’t you physically hold the duelsense? I agree it’s super uncomfortable to me too.

Born with a severe neromusucalar disease, zero muscle tone, gotta claw grip the controller while laying down. Dualsense is too thick, wide, and tall. The way I hold the controller, i swear the DS4 was molded to my hands. It's perfect. If the dualsenses handles were shorter, and it was less wide, i might could do it.

But that isn't the only issue, I rely on a cronusmax for scripts to automate and remap things, like holding the lock-on for me in yakuza, AND i cannot stress this enough, allowing me to remap L3/R3 to the touchpad was LIFE CHANGING. Even if they made a smaller dualsense the cronus remains blocked on PS5 games to prevent cheaters. I suspect it will be cracked eventually. I wish Sony didn't have to block it because people use it for cheating. Assholes ruin everything
 

Batiman

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Born with a severe neromusucalar disease, zero muscle tone, gotta claw grip the controller while laying down. Dualsense is too thick, wide, and tall. The way I hold the controller, i swear the DS4 was molded to my hands. It's perfect. If the dualsenses handles were shorter, and it was less wide, i might could do it.

But that isn't the only issue, I rely on a cronusmax for scripts to automate and remap things, like holding the lock-on for me in yakuza, AND i cannot stress this enough, allowing me to remap L3/R3 to the touchpad was LIFE CHANGING. Even if they made a smaller dualsense the cronus remains blocked on PS5 games to prevent cheaters. I suspect it will be cracked eventually. I wish Sony didn't have to block it because people use it for cheating. Assholes ruin everything
Sorry to hear. Thanks for the response. I’m always amazed how people always find a way to game no matter the difficulties they have to deal with. Hopefully a better solution comes your way
 

01011001

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The speaker feature for example took a while but some games are using it in creative ways (e.g. Deathloop where you hear Julianna from the controller speaker). Developers can also get creative with the mic being default on the controller (outside of just for online games/lobbies etc) but regardless, if you want to push for feature adoption faster, making it a requirement is one of the ways you can do it (ofcourse, the results aren't guaranteed as shown by this thread and the varying opinions — that's the case no matter what you do.)

Like for the mic being default, it would be cool if you could utilize that in games where the character is required to give voice input — basically using your voice as the input with select keywords, perhaps for unlocking doors.)

are you aware that the Dualshock 4 also has a speaker??? just saying, where were you the last 7 years?

and it has to be said again and again, YOU CAN DISABLE EVERY SINGLE FEATURE OF THE DUALSENSE IN THE SYSTEM SETTINGS that means DEVELOPERS CAN NOT USE THEM FOR VITAL GAMEPLAY FEATURES

every single new feature the Dualsense has is 100% optional and can be completely disabled, and every single game on PS5 has to still work with them disabled.
at which point you have a Dualshock 4

the least Sony could do is let developers decide which controllers tgey support! there is NO GOOD REASON for why Mortal Kombat 11 does not support the Dualshock 4 on PS5
 
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IntentionalPun

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Obnoxious? Did you read the posts I was replying to? I don’t think I told anyone to shut up. I explained where they’re coming from. Like it or not that’s why it’s being done. If they introduced dualsense features and they ended up not being supported this same cast of characters would say “see!? It’s just a gimmick and I knew it wouldn’t be supported for long”

Yeah I think it's pretty obnoxious to dismiss people's complaints as just "people like to complain."

I really think Sony cares far more about extra controller sales than they do some "cast of characters" calling a feature anyone can disable a gimmick. The system comes w/ a DualSense, there's little reason to believe allowing people to use DS4 controllers on PS5 games would have hampered adoption of DualSense features in games. If Sony really cared about that.. they could encourage devs to do it in some other way other than DRM.

Really not even sure why that would matter to a developer... "Well people can use these discontinued controllers on PS5, guess I won't use that new controller feature"??? Also, if you believe it's not a gimmick.. and it really enhances games.. and it's really pretty easy to implement (according to everyone)... again, why in the world would devs forgo using it if people can use DS4's in a pinch? Every single PS5 owner gets a DualSense... there's no reason NOT to support the features.
 
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FrankWza

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Yeah I think it's pretty obnoxious to dismiss people's complaints as just "people like to complain."
I do too. I don’t think it is after you’ve presented a valid reason. Labeling something a gimmick and money grab repeatedly is complaining.
I really think Sony cares far more about extra controller sales than they do some "cast of characters" calling a feature anyone can disable a gimmick. The system comes w/ a DualSense, there's little reason to believe allowing people to use DS4 controllers on PS5 games would have hampered adoption of DualSense features in games. If Sony really cared about that.. they could encourage devs to do it in some other way.
so then why doesn’t every Xbox controller work on every system? I mean, they are lauded for their backward compatibility. Why aren’t all their controllers the same?
What is wrong with gimmicks? Do you want me to write adaptive triggers and haptic feedback everytime?
I rest my case IntentionalPun IntentionalPun
 

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so then why doesn’t every Xbox controller work on every system? I mean, they are lauded for their backward compatibility. Why aren’t all their controllers the same?

I rest my case IntentionalPun IntentionalPun
Why are we talking about Xbox here? lol

I couldn't care less about that.. I have specifically had issues with my DualSense breaking.. and low and behold I have a house full of working DS4s that I arbitrarily can't use, because of restrictive DRM.

I like the DualSense features for the most part, if people want to call them gimmicks, who gives a shit? I didn't design the controller, so why would I care? The DRM is obnoxious.. there is no physical reason to block DS4 support for PS5 games. The controllers ARE compatible w/ the system.. they work for PS4 games.. all PS5 games have to support the base featureset shared by DS4/DualSense..

It's arbitrary DRM, and I think it's pretty naïve TBH to believe Sony's stated reason. What developer is going to forgo implementing these features because of DS4 being supported? Explain that logic to me.. now think for a second about what forcing DualSense support does.. it means.. you almost HAVE to buy a second, very expensive, profitable to Sony, controller w/ your PS5. Sony even highlighted last year in a presentation that profits are about "accessories and software/services" not "console hardware" anymore.. it's not rocket science.
 
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sainraja

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are you aware that the Dualshock 4 also has a speaker??? just saying, where were you the last 7 years?

and it has to be said again and again, YOU CAN DISABLE EVERY SINGLE FEATURE OF THE DUALSENSE IN THE SYSTEM SETTINGS that means DEVELOPERS CAN NOT USE THEM FOR VITAL GAMEPLAY FEATURES

every single new feature the Dualsense has is 100% optional and can be completely disabled, and every single game on PS5 has to still work with them disabled.
at which point you have a Dualshock 4

the least Sony could do is let developers decide which controllers tgey support! there is NO GOOD REASON for why Mortal Kombat 11 does not support the Dualshock 4 on PS5
I would read my post again if you actually think I wasn't aware of the DS4 having a speaker — I was using it as an example of how long it can take for developers to fully embrace features; in later posts I also acknowledged PS4 games that I played that used it but based on my experience, it wasn't as many as I would have liked. Same goes for the touchpad, I wish it was used more on the PS4 and hope to see it used more on the PS5.

For your other points, I would also read my post again carefully. The point isn't if those (Dualsense specific) features can be disabled — the DS4 simply does not have them. To make this crystal clear, you can't turn Dualsense only features on for the DS4, they simply aren't there. Sony wants people to use the Dualsense controller with PS5 games and it gives them a better bullet point in conversations with developers when they want them to implement the features.

They invested money in creating it and obviously want to "reap" the benefits or as you like to say 'make money' and part of doing that is getting game developers to use it so they can advertise what makes their system unique.

It's clear you are not a fan of the decision they took and you can list multiple reasons as to why they shouldn't have, but the reality is they are making it a requirement and money alone isn't the reason because if that was the only driving factor, doing the bare minimum was all they had to do since no one was asking for what the Dualsense has.
 
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sainraja

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What developer is going to forgo implementing these features because of DS4 being supported? Explain that logic to me.. now think for a second about what forcing DualSense support does.. it means.. you almost HAVE to buy a second, very expensive, profitable to Sony, controller w/ your PS5. Sony even highlighted last year in a presentation that profits are about "accessories and software/services" not "console hardware" anymore.. it's not rocket science.
Have you met the touchpad and the speaker? features that were available on the DS4? I don't think developers will adopt or utilize something just because it is there. I can see them reversing this if the results aren't what they expected them to be but from a recent search they are also not selling the DS4 anymore; I assume whatever stock that is left is whats selling so by the point that happens it might not matter much anyway.

From the games I played, unfortunately, not many of the supported using the touchpad or speaker. Ghost and more recently Deathloop use the speaker in a way that makes sense and Ghost also uses the touchpad which was nice. I hope the mic also gets use in gameplay with voice prompts within games.

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Other things I would like developers to start doing on the PS5 are gun sounds via the controller (doesn't have to exclusively be through the controller, it can be a mix — that would be so cool).

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Regardless though, a lot of what I am saying can still happen (devs not supporting everything) despite the requirement. Developers still don't need to support it. But the last on this topic I will say is.....I don't think money alone is the reason because doing the bare minimum was all they had to do. I mean, people would have upgraded to a new controller without any major upgrades.
 
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