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Why Sony? Why can't I use my dualshock on PS5 games?

Gameplaylover

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I am not sure what you mean by "it's ok to look at it they way you do" because I haven't said its the ideal experience. All I have said is why Sony wants to push the DS5 controller (I won't repeat the reasons already stated). It's natural that there will be those who don't like that and there will also be those who do or some who frankly just don't care.
In the end you find it acceptale/justifiable, i don't. It's just an outrageous rip off in my opinion.
 
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In the end you find it acceptale/justifiable, i don't. It's just an outrageous rip off in my opinion.
No, not really. I haven't shared my opinion on that at all. Understanding 'why' does not mean I am good with it. I would have appreciated the option to use DS4 as an additional controller. I guess according to you understanding is the same as finding it "acceptable". We can just leave it at that then.
 
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The dual shock is a better controller 100% but why stop people using the controllers they already have if a mate comes round?

2 mates playing fifa one with dual shock and one with a last gen controller, it wouldn’t make any difference playing the game

Don't you mean the Dualsense is the better controller? I'm not sure how the DS4 is any better than it.
 

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If Sony actually wanted to ensure the features would be used they would of not allowed them to be turned off. I personally would of preferred this because it shows some conviction to the matter. They allow you to turn it off so they should allow you to use a controller that physically works with the system but is just stopped by software for no reason.
 

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I agree with you 100% but around these parts you aren't really allowed to criticize Sony. It was dumb of them to not allow ds4 and it was only done to sell you more 100$ controllers. Any other reason is bullshit.

You are mistaking DualSense with the Xbox Elite controller for sure.
 

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Ok that makes more sense. Legally you can't do anything about that. The best you can do is just boycott their products. That's the only thing you can do as a consumer.

And if you do buy a PS5 and complain about this then you're part of the problem.

nobody is gonna boycott them because of this but its ok to call them out when they aint making things convenient for games
 

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Well they should if it's such a terrible situation for them. But for most people it's just not a big enough issue to warrant a boycott.
well its bothering people enough to make a thread on a forum. its a simple thing to do to enable it but I get they want to sell more dual sense controllers so its about money
 
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well its bothering people enough to make a thread on a forum. its a simple thing to do to enable it but I get they want to sell more dual sense controllers so its about money

You do know the forums represent a minority right? That's how little of an impact it will have on the company. The only way to make it go through is with mass public outrage and boycotts. But like you said it's only limited to a few people on this forum.

 
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You do know the forums represent a minority right? That's how little of an impact it will have on the company. The only way to make it go through is with mass public outrage and boycotts. But like you said it's only limited to a few people on this forum.
Even many casuals will notice and hate it, they just don't visit forums to talk about it. But you are absolutely right with your second sentence. Sony will make dozens/hundreds of millions with this and shit on the few that are so pissed that they went for Pc/Xbox/Switch.
 
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Even many casuals will notice and hate it, they just don't visit forums to talk about it. But you are absolutely right with your second sentence. Sony will make dozens/hundreds of millions with this and shit on the few that are so pissed that they went for Pc/Xbox/Switch.

Sorry but if it's such a gigantic issue there would be a lot of resistance against it. Like the silver PS3 boomerang controller for example.

Unless consumers hurt the company's bottom line they will not reverse their policy. That's true with any company BTW.

People are making this seem like a bigger problem then it is.

What are you doing about it?
 
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So many posts when the answer is so simple. They don't want devs to have to program for 2 different controllers and they want maximum support of the resistive triggers and haptics.
 
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You all need to face the fact that Dualsense is the controller you will need to use to play PS5 games. There are ups/downs to both aspects and we're just going in circles about the "downs". I think it's time to move on and as someone else already pointed out, Sony is working on the paddle accessory so soon enough, at-the-very-least, the issue the OP was having will be addressed.
 
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Sorry but if it's such a gigantic issue there would be a lot of resistance against it. Like the silver PS3 boomerang controller for example.

Unless consumers hurt the company's bottom line they will not reverse their policy. That's true with any company BTW.

People are making this seem like a bigger problem then it is.

What are you doing about it?

nobody is saying its a gigantic issue, its an inconvenience like I said which could be easier fixed. its all about profit simple as that. Sony could do it for us but won't
 
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nobody is saying its a gigantic issue, its an inconvenience like I said which could be easier fixed. its all about profit simple as that. Sony could do it for us but won't

It's not like Sony has to do everything for us. It's a free market and consumers can choose to support the product or not. As long as Sony doesn't break any laws it's fine for them to make these decisions. Doesn't mean they will be the best for the consumer but it is what it is.

I don't believe it's that had. At least they didn't triple the price of the controller or anything similar. Now that's something I would have a huge issue with.
 

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So many posts when the answer is so simple. They don't want devs to have to program for 2 different controllers and they want maximum support of the resistive triggers and haptics.
3rd party developers have to program for Xbox, Switch and many more PC controllers (like the DS4) without haptics anyways.

Even some first party developers like Horizon or Gow 2 have to do so for the crossgen games.
 

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It's not like Sony has to do everything for us. It's a free market and consumers can choose to support the product or not. As long as Sony doesn't break any laws it's fine for them to make these decisions. Doesn't mean they will be the best for the consumer but it is what it is.

I don't believe it's that had. At least they didn't triple the price of the controller or anything similar. Now that's something I would have a huge issue with.
Oh come on you don’t need to constantly defend everything. It’s not all a war you know. Us gamers want things to work for us.
 
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Oh come on you don’t need to constantly defend everything. It’s not all a war you know. Us gamers want things to work for us.

Actually your the one who always bring warring into the discussion. I mean it's not like you read my previous comments because if you had you would understand my position better instead of turning this into a console war thing. Which is what you usually do btw.

I'm just saying that it sucks for those that are affected by it. But the reality is it isn't a big issue because the sales don't reflect that. If Sony does something really horrible for consumers im pretty sure they would reverse the decision due to heavy backlash from consumers.

There's plenty of examples of this happening with the first PS3 controller and the complete revamping of how Sony designed their systems.

I'm definitely not the one warring here.
 

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Actually your the one who always bring warring into the discussion. I mean it's not like you read my previous comments because if you had you would understand my position better instead of turning this into a console war thing. Which is what you usually do btw.

I'm just saying that it sucks for those that are affected by it. But the reality is it isn't a big issue because the sales don't reflect that. If Sony does something really horrible for consumers im pretty sure they would reverse the decision due to heavy backlash from consumers.

There's plenty of examples of this happening with the first PS3 controller and the complete revamping of how Sony designed their systems.

I'm definitely not the one warring here.
Where have I been warring? I said disappointment that my dual shock 4 wouldn’t work on a PS5 when I get it.

every step of the way you have defended the decision Sony made. Also to find out that the duelsemse works on the ps3 now makes it look more stupid that the DS4 doesn’t work with the ps5
 
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Where have I been warring? I said disappointment that my dual shock 4 wouldn’t work on a PS5 when I get it.

every step of the way you have defended the decision Sony made. Also to find out that the duelsemse works on the ps3 now makes it look more stupid that the DS4 doesn’t work with the ps5

Well because you brought up warring in the first place. For some reason your seeing this as a battle between two fanbases when it really isn't. The only reason why you mentioned it is because you feel like your part of the war.

And I did criticize what Sony has done. Unfortunately for you since you didn't pay attention to the discussion you must have missed it.

I already told the OP that I really hope that Sony solves his problem. But I also don't believe it's a big issue. I'm more mad at Sony charging for online multiplayer than what they did with the controller.

Anyways hopefully you do your research and see why I don't agree with their decision. But I also understand why they did it.
 
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Well because you brought up warring in the first place. For some reason your seeing this as a battle between two fanbases when it really isn't. The only reason why you mentioned it is because you feel like your part of the war.

And I did criticize what Sony has done. Unfortunately for you since you didn't pay attention to the discussion you must have missed it.

I already told the OP that I really hope that Sony solves his problem. But I also don't believe it's a big issue. I'm more mad at Sony charging for online multiplayer than what they did with the controller.

Anyways hopefully you do your research and see why I don't agree with their decision. But I also understand why they did it.
Ok
Give me one solid reason why the DS4 shouldn’t work on ps5?

nothing to do
With haptics because they can be turned off
 

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Why do you want me to answer this when I already have?

Are you just skimming over my comments?
No I am just responding to the conversation we are having

yeah charging for online play annoyed you and I agree but this is something I feel differently than you do , the controller situation should be easy to solve for them and help their players out
 
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No I am just responding to the conversation we are having

yeah charging for online play annoyed you and I agree but this is something I feel differently than you do , the controller situation should be easy to solve for them and help their players out

Well besides any new protocols it should work. But then again online should be free since I don't have an issue with it on PC.

I care more about Sony making online free which is why I boycott playstation plus with my PC. Yes while they should make DS4 compatible with the PS5 it's not enough for my to boycott their product. I don't see it being as bad as you do.
 

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Well besides any new protocols it should work. But then again online should be free since I don't have an issue with it on PC.

I care more about Sony making online free which is why I boycott playstation plus with my PC. Yes while they should make DS4 compatible with the PS5 it's not enough for my to boycott their product. I don't see it being as bad as you do.
Like I said it ain’t enough to boycot but it’s an announce and with you saying nee protocols the fact the DS controller works on ps3 is enough to show why DS4 should work.
 
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Like I said it ain’t enough to boycot but it’s an announce and with you saying nee protocols the fact the DS controller works on ps3 is enough to show why DS4 should work.

I can't even understand what you're saying.

I'm saying that the only thing that I might not see working is the wireless connection.

Are you telling me that the Dualsense functions with the PS3 without a cord?

I can use the Dualsense with my Switch if I plug it in. But if I want to use it without a cord I need to use my 8BITDO adapter.

Before you fabricate something im still saying that it could work just fine with a cable. It's the wireless aspect that I'm not sure of.

Also some of the tech might not work with the PS5 like the rumble or the other sensors that it has. Not saying that the basic functions (the buttons) wouldn't.

Nor am I saying they shouldn't allow the DS4 to be used with the PS5 due to that.

Edit: I actually saw the video of the Dualsense on the PS5 and there are issues with it. Hopefully 8Bitdo becomes compatible with the PS5 so people can use their DS4s on it. Not a perfect solution but certainly one that might interest people.
 
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I can't even understand what you're saying.

I'm saying that the only thing that I might not see working is the wireless connection.

DS4 works on PS5 though.... wirelessly.. for PS4 games.

They blocked it for PS5 games despite the fact the 2 DualSense specific features can be disabled system wide.

There is no technical reason why Sony couldn't let you use a DS4 on PS5 games; not just a guess, it's just how it is.

You can remote play PS5 games and actually use.. a DS4 lol
 
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Most likely devs are designing PS5 games with Dual Sense in mind. So why have them design for 2 controller specs? Returnal wouldnt work with dual shock. On top of that your confusing customers " does this ps5 game with with this controller or not" . Sony made it simple. Sony dosent want to deal with that, especially from the people that complain about ps4/ps5 game version confusion.
 
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Most likely devs are designing PS5 games with Dual Sense in mind. So why have them design for 2 controller specs? Returnal wouldnt work with dual shock. On top of that your confusing customers " does this ps5 game with with this controller or not" . Sony made it simple. Sony dosent want to deal with that, especially from the people that complain about ps4/ps5 game version confusion.
You can disable all DualSense specific features at a system level on PS5.

Devs are already designing around that.. including Returnal.

You can also use DualShock via remote play just fine.
 
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DS4 works on PS5 though.... wirelessly.. for PS4 games.

They blocked it for PS5 games despite the fact the 2 DualSense specific features can be disabled system wide.

There is no technical reason why Sony couldn't let you use a DS4 on PS5 games; not just a guess, it's just how it is.

You can remote play PS5 games and actually use.. a DS4 lol

Ok I wasn't aware of that. I thought you couldn't use the DS4 at all with the PS5. Still it's still annoying for those with the PS4 versions of games.

It's definitely a Sony thing at that point. I don't believe they will provide a solution to this since it's obvious that it could have been available at launch.

Still not a deal killer in my opinion.
 
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