alabtrosMyster
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If you play retro games you will notice that the vast majority of games have always been pretty bad.
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Why do people today have bad tastes in gaming?
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MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Old arcade style games designed to drink your quarters like a fruit smoothie absolutely. It's just evolved into the mediocre games coming out as well as MTX that are one and done in a weekend.
Mozzarella
Member
You need to offer more context in your thread when you make claims like this, you need to do more than just posting random videos of games you liked vs games you didnt like, you need to explain what made those games "special" to you and what made the other games "bad" to you so me and the others can at least understand where you are coming from.
Also you need to define what is good or rather gold standard and why, you didnt as well.
Also you need to avoid generalization, some of the popular games like Witcher 3, Bloodborne, Breath of the Wild, RDR2 are good games and they are new and popular, some of the popular games are bad, for different reasons, but context is what matters.
Anyway I do say similar thing when it comes to Anime, i used to watch Anime non-stop each day in the past decade, there was a lot of good shows, each year a good show will come out, nowadays most Anime are mediocre, and its rare that a great anime gets produced, there has been a decline in that medium, imo same with Music and to somewhat degree Films as well. I think part of the reason it has to do with profit, when things are being created for the money/competition and fame the quality will lose it soul and essence of art, that is why imo the work of the past on Films and Anime used to be better, used to reflect the talent of art in the director and the writer more, they were willing to take risks and innovative ideas, where as nowadays its more safe and calculated and more into marketing and profit. For example RPG games used to have more depth in their RPG mechanics (WRPG) But now its will cost a lot to make one like that and it will be harder so its not going to become very popular unless a Studio crafts it in an engaging way. Larian came close to mimic that style with Divinity OS2 and it was fantastic, so there are always people making good stuff you can't generalize but the overall quality might have gone a bit downhill, not sure about gaming though because I still enjoy it a lot, aside from this year (2021) Gaming has been great just as before imo. But as i said for me its Anime/Music and to lesser degree Films.
Anyway, if you want to have discussion around this you need a remake of your thread. I tried to give you a fair answer.
Also you need to define what is good or rather gold standard and why, you didnt as well.
Also you need to avoid generalization, some of the popular games like Witcher 3, Bloodborne, Breath of the Wild, RDR2 are good games and they are new and popular, some of the popular games are bad, for different reasons, but context is what matters.
Anyway I do say similar thing when it comes to Anime, i used to watch Anime non-stop each day in the past decade, there was a lot of good shows, each year a good show will come out, nowadays most Anime are mediocre, and its rare that a great anime gets produced, there has been a decline in that medium, imo same with Music and to somewhat degree Films as well. I think part of the reason it has to do with profit, when things are being created for the money/competition and fame the quality will lose it soul and essence of art, that is why imo the work of the past on Films and Anime used to be better, used to reflect the talent of art in the director and the writer more, they were willing to take risks and innovative ideas, where as nowadays its more safe and calculated and more into marketing and profit. For example RPG games used to have more depth in their RPG mechanics (WRPG) But now its will cost a lot to make one like that and it will be harder so its not going to become very popular unless a Studio crafts it in an engaging way. Larian came close to mimic that style with Divinity OS2 and it was fantastic, so there are always people making good stuff you can't generalize but the overall quality might have gone a bit downhill, not sure about gaming though because I still enjoy it a lot, aside from this year (2021) Gaming has been great just as before imo. But as i said for me its Anime/Music and to lesser degree Films.
Anyway, if you want to have discussion around this you need a remake of your thread. I tried to give you a fair answer.
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OP is right. Hobbies need gatekeeping and standards, otherwise it goes to trash quickly. Letting "people just enjoy what they want" leads to every game being a soulless, corporate Fortnite rip-off piece of trash and endless junk reality TV shows. People can enjoy them but you also have the right to call out bad taste and poorly produced media.
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
Coming from someone who actually likes weeb shit...
Weeb shit is better than this thread.
Weeb shit is better than this thread.
Thesuffering79
Banned
First of all, the first comparison is dumb, different genres.
Second of all Fortnite is the best multiplayer shooter game thus far because of the building aspect which allows for counter play vs snipers. Every other shooter has the dumb sniper cancer.
Second of all Fortnite is the best multiplayer shooter game thus far because of the building aspect which allows for counter play vs snipers. Every other shooter has the dumb sniper cancer.
KeepYourHeart1989
Banned
I only eat Nintendo Switch cartdriges and never minded the taste
Grand Theft Scratchy
Banned
I'm just tired of the OP's "real gamer" shtick. It's cringey and elitist. You can like what you enjoy playing but instead of trying to shame those who enjoy more popular mainstream games, you could instead make a thread about your favorite lesser-known games to give a game you actually enjoy playing more exposure and explain why you think it's worth playing. Games like Fortnite and Among Us and Call of Duty and whatever else aren't influencing your favorite Japanese game series, so what does it really matter to you?
Optimus Lime
(L3) + (R3) | Spartan rage activated
OP, I get it, I wish people weren't so stupid and just liked the same things I do too. It's rough.
Mike Zhang
Member
I agree with you OP. OP is not saying new games are worse than old games. There are still many good games nowdays, but the most popular games look like trash to me.
YoshiMadness
Member
Why do people love to shit on things that are popular with kids? A decade ago, people loved tearing apart stuff like COD and Minecraft when they were still the top franchises for the younger demographics. Before that it was stuff like Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh. Nowadays it's Fortnite and Among Us. Outside of nerd culture, popular targets of this bizarre anti-youth disapproval have included the likes of John Cena, Minions, SpongeBob, Justin Bieber, and Paw Patrol.
The hatred that bitter nerds have for children is honestly really fucking weird. Most of that stuff isn't even made for your demographic, so why does it bother you so much? I think it's because these dorks know they'll never have a family of their own, so they have an insane desire to ridicule anything that kids love out of resentment. Just let the kids have their fun and enjoy their hobbies for crying out loud! I promise, it won't affect your enjoyment of GTA or Dark Souls.
Seriously, grow up and get over yourselves. No need to be so cynical.
The hatred that bitter nerds have for children is honestly really fucking weird. Most of that stuff isn't even made for your demographic, so why does it bother you so much? I think it's because these dorks know they'll never have a family of their own, so they have an insane desire to ridicule anything that kids love out of resentment. Just let the kids have their fun and enjoy their hobbies for crying out loud! I promise, it won't affect your enjoyment of GTA or Dark Souls.
Seriously, grow up and get over yourselves. No need to be so cynical.
HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
The tastes of 90s gamers didn't change. It's just that so many new people came in with, say, "different" tastes, that now the games you've mentioned are examples of this industries greatest successes. The same thing happened on the development side, too. No more the John Carmacks of this world pursuing passion projects. It's become a 9 to 5 job for average people producing average games catering to average tastes.
Peoplet have always bought good and bad games, even back to the very beginning,
Combat , space invaders , pitfall are all good games and sold well on the 2600, meanwhile trash like encounter at l5 , snake and firefly also sold well
On the nes dash galaxy, deadly towers, and back to the future are all dirt common
I'm sure spectrum, amiga , c64 fans can tell you about trash games everyone owned on those
The only reason people will seem to have greater to have had better taste in the past, is that the garbage tends to get filtered out,
same applies to music, movies, comics, etc
though op is a why aren't my niche's more popular?
Combat , space invaders , pitfall are all good games and sold well on the 2600, meanwhile trash like encounter at l5 , snake and firefly also sold well
On the nes dash galaxy, deadly towers, and back to the future are all dirt common
I'm sure spectrum, amiga , c64 fans can tell you about trash games everyone owned on those
The only reason people will seem to have greater to have had better taste in the past, is that the garbage tends to get filtered out,
same applies to music, movies, comics, etc
though op is a why aren't my niche's more popular?
ShirAhava
Plays with kids toys, in the adult gaming world
People saying 'different tastes' are crazy those games OP pointed out are legit bad and people love them while ignoring good games its not ok
its like if everyone stopped eating good food and ate tree bark and dog poo "thats my taste man" the fuck?
the industry as a whole has abandoned standards/quality and modern gamers just play and defend whatever crap they put out no matter what
A whole generation is being raised on mediocre product everyone is so scared to be critical and/or honest these days
everyone doesn't have to like the same thing but whatever they like should be good...that isn't the case anymore
its like if everyone stopped eating good food and ate tree bark and dog poo "thats my taste man" the fuck?
the industry as a whole has abandoned standards/quality and modern gamers just play and defend whatever crap they put out no matter what
A whole generation is being raised on mediocre product everyone is so scared to be critical and/or honest these days
everyone doesn't have to like the same thing but whatever they like should be good...that isn't the case anymore
People are just weird and/or stupid. Take me for example. I fucking hate Nintendo. I hate their kiddy ass games with blurry ass textures and low poly models and game worlds and boop boop noises since they are too fucking cheap to get voice actors. Not only that, they refuse to do a gamepad with analog triggers.
Yet I still bought a Switch just for Fast RMX. Yeah, weird and stupid but whatever. It's my money and my life and my hookers and blow so whatevs. There, I did my one drunk post for today.
Yet I still bought a Switch just for Fast RMX. Yeah, weird and stupid but whatever. It's my money and my life and my hookers and blow so whatevs. There, I did my one drunk post for today.
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bender
What time is it?
I think the overall quality of games the past ~10 years is higher than ever and there are fewer and fewer games that are absolute train wrecks. It seems like developers have settled on genre and control mechanics.
PumpkinPie
Banned
It's always been the case, look at how popular the early Sonic games were.
GreatnessRD
Member
It's because now, a lot of people identify as toaster ovens.
Kamina
Golden Boy
You are getting old
Heimdall_Xtreme
Heimdall_Xtreme
Rean no Kiseki
Banned
Play what you want to play and stop condemning people for their taste, funny thing is Japan have some of THE worst taste in games if you go by what's popular over there, but i guess the grass is always greener on the other side.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
I can see why someone gets a bit upset, but don’t look at the whole picture here.
When I was a kid it was Turtles in Time, Street Fighter II, and Dragon’s Lair after you ate pizza.
Modern kids like to roleplay Among Us and Hello Neighbor. They’d rather watch a 110 Million subscribed YouTube channel where the dad dresses up like Hello Neighbor and chases his kids around the house.
You can’t blame people for their own opinions. If gaming lost everything I loved about it then gaming can be forgotten about in my life. I stick around for the inevitable video game releases that do in fact get made. Am I somehow happy that this might die out with my generation? Kinda. I mean, if I die then I don’t have to worry because tastes have changed to the point where I’m not sitting back saying “damn, I wish I could have played Hello Neighbor part 27 or something odd like that.
I would even say the Golden Era of video games are over with. It’s such an accessible hobby anymore. Video Games don’t even have that same appeal when they appear on a screen. You know why? Because we have the technology to make just about anything and it is an over saturated market. Pong wasn’t invented a couple months ago. The NES already came out. Atari is basically nostalgia at this point. At the end of the day, people enjoy what they like. If that’s Candy Crush then good for them.
When I was a kid it was Turtles in Time, Street Fighter II, and Dragon’s Lair after you ate pizza.
Modern kids like to roleplay Among Us and Hello Neighbor. They’d rather watch a 110 Million subscribed YouTube channel where the dad dresses up like Hello Neighbor and chases his kids around the house.
You can’t blame people for their own opinions. If gaming lost everything I loved about it then gaming can be forgotten about in my life. I stick around for the inevitable video game releases that do in fact get made. Am I somehow happy that this might die out with my generation? Kinda. I mean, if I die then I don’t have to worry because tastes have changed to the point where I’m not sitting back saying “damn, I wish I could have played Hello Neighbor part 27 or something odd like that.
I would even say the Golden Era of video games are over with. It’s such an accessible hobby anymore. Video Games don’t even have that same appeal when they appear on a screen. You know why? Because we have the technology to make just about anything and it is an over saturated market. Pong wasn’t invented a couple months ago. The NES already came out. Atari is basically nostalgia at this point. At the end of the day, people enjoy what they like. If that’s Candy Crush then good for them.
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I'm not sure things changed that much tbh. Ofc there were great games back then and there are terrible games now.
There may be more dumbed down casual games now because the industry acknowledged that's what most gamers want, that's all. Back in the 90s most poeple playing quake MP did so with casual mods like instagib or clan arena, not many played duel or tdm. All these guys would have been playing fortnite if this had been a thing then...
There may be more dumbed down casual games now because the industry acknowledged that's what most gamers want, that's all. Back in the 90s most poeple playing quake MP did so with casual mods like instagib or clan arena, not many played duel or tdm. All these guys would have been playing fortnite if this had been a thing then...
balls of snow
Member
Things that are popular are shit is a logical fallacy, we are in the golden age of tv and those are getting more more popular with more budget, talent in the writing and direction and more A list actors joining.
Spaceman292
Banned
It is not about creating controversy.
Simply previously, videogames had and still have many very interesting stories and topics.
What I don't understand at the moment is the trend of games that are garbage are more popular.
I will give an example
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Very excellent games and with too good gameplay.
But people like this piece of shit.
or Games with excellent Story
and people prefer crap like this
or shit like this.
or Worst case
Gamers enjoy games like
and people "Gamer" play this shit
and the final worst thing
and prefer this piece of shit
candy crush saga level 128 fail
Playing the game to hope and give you insight to beat the same level. Please note that I do not try to use powerups when I play, nor do I pay for them. Mo...www.youtube.com
You're a moron
balls of snow
Member
Because they are not popular and the weeebiness in them want to scream into the void WHY???
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Damn right.Tetris is bad now?
I'm no fan of fortnite, neither am I a fan of the games you like... but I would not say that they're bad games, just not for the elite players like me, the ones with the right tastes.
Older games are better:
The rest is hipster non sense!
SirTerry-T
Member
Just play the games you want to play.
The industry is big enough to cater for all tastes.
This "them and us" situation happens with films. literature, music. Its really not worth getting angry about, as long as the choice to play, read, listen or watch that less popular media is still there.
The industry is big enough to cater for all tastes.
This "them and us" situation happens with films. literature, music. Its really not worth getting angry about, as long as the choice to play, read, listen or watch that less popular media is still there.
Vaelka
Member
People can enjoy what they want, however I am truly baffled sometimes how people can play what is essentially the same games over and over again.
I am thinking of '' franchises '' like Assassins Creed.
I can kinda understand CoD because it's an online game same with fighting games but I really have no clue how anyone can still have an interest in franchises like Assassins Creed or how people can put up with literally rehashed assets and blatant rip-offs like with sports games.
Like you've gotta have some standards at least when you're basically being ripped off and when game franchises should've ended a billion years ago and are just being milked into oblivion I do begin to wonder...
I also think that most people aren't that invested in games they just view them as time wasters akin to watching TV or reading books.
So they just see a game in a commercial which is mostly going to be the huge titles from big AAA studios and then just consume.
They don't really look outside of that they're not enthusiasts and a lot of them still view a lot of things as '' for icky nerds '' and will only play things that pander to that normie mindset.
They're fine with CoD because it's a military dudebro game but they see games that have basically any sliver of fantasy in them as '' for nerds '', maybe they'll go as far as Skyrim in some cases but that's about as far as they'll go.
It's the same with movies too, people are kinda sheepish and don't really want to be challenged whether it's a matter of actually having to use their brains or actually having to try something a bit outside of their comfort zone.
Most people don't realize how many amazing foreign films they're missing out on and refuse to watch them because reading subs requires a bare minimum of effort and they're '' too slow not enough explosions ''.
There's countless of movies like Parasite and Old Boy out there but people won't watch them unless they blow up by chance and big outlets starts marketing them.
People want to be told what to play and watch they don't want to search for it themselves.
And what they're told to play and watch will be whatever the money is behind.
I agree with you however I think that a lot of people feel like the industry is too small in what it covers.
The problem is that the industry doesn't really cater to all tastes at least not outside of indie games and even in indie it's a bit stale too imo.
And when we look at AAA it's basically only catering to one sensability and type of gamer and no one else.
And often times if the games are foreign they become compromised when brought over to be closer to that so we often can't even have that.
Same with remakes and remasters they're often watered down to be more samey with '' current day gaming ''.
I am thinking of '' franchises '' like Assassins Creed.
I can kinda understand CoD because it's an online game same with fighting games but I really have no clue how anyone can still have an interest in franchises like Assassins Creed or how people can put up with literally rehashed assets and blatant rip-offs like with sports games.
Like you've gotta have some standards at least when you're basically being ripped off and when game franchises should've ended a billion years ago and are just being milked into oblivion I do begin to wonder...
I also think that most people aren't that invested in games they just view them as time wasters akin to watching TV or reading books.
So they just see a game in a commercial which is mostly going to be the huge titles from big AAA studios and then just consume.
They don't really look outside of that they're not enthusiasts and a lot of them still view a lot of things as '' for icky nerds '' and will only play things that pander to that normie mindset.
They're fine with CoD because it's a military dudebro game but they see games that have basically any sliver of fantasy in them as '' for nerds '', maybe they'll go as far as Skyrim in some cases but that's about as far as they'll go.
It's the same with movies too, people are kinda sheepish and don't really want to be challenged whether it's a matter of actually having to use their brains or actually having to try something a bit outside of their comfort zone.
Most people don't realize how many amazing foreign films they're missing out on and refuse to watch them because reading subs requires a bare minimum of effort and they're '' too slow not enough explosions ''.
There's countless of movies like Parasite and Old Boy out there but people won't watch them unless they blow up by chance and big outlets starts marketing them.
People want to be told what to play and watch they don't want to search for it themselves.
And what they're told to play and watch will be whatever the money is behind.
I agree with you however I think that a lot of people feel like the industry is too small in what it covers.
The problem is that the industry doesn't really cater to all tastes at least not outside of indie games and even in indie it's a bit stale too imo.
And when we look at AAA it's basically only catering to one sensability and type of gamer and no one else.
And often times if the games are foreign they become compromised when brought over to be closer to that so we often can't even have that.
Same with remakes and remasters they're often watered down to be more samey with '' current day gaming ''.
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NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
You almost had a case, OP.
And then you had to mention Tetris Effect. Way to destroy your case. I’ve enjoyed Tetris in so many forms, but even if I’ve never played Candy Crush, I’m pretty sure I’d rather play it for life than touch Tetris Effect again.
And then you had to mention Tetris Effect. Way to destroy your case. I’ve enjoyed Tetris in so many forms, but even if I’ve never played Candy Crush, I’m pretty sure I’d rather play it for life than touch Tetris Effect again.
Vaelka
Member
If you think that Souls games should have an easy mode then you're actually just an entitled moron.Play what you want to play and stop condemning people for their taste, funny thing is Japan have some of THE worst taste in games if you go by what's popular over there, but i guess the grass is always greener on the other side.
The franchise would not have become as popular as it did if they had one, one of the biggest reasons why it became such a big cultural thing in gaming was because of the struggle. An easy mode would've ruined that, especially with the comradery that formed around it.
A new genre essentially was created by it...
The games already have ways to make them easy by abusing gameplay mechanics and with OP weapons, which imo is more interesting too.
I am also just wondering why all of these people so offended by Japanese games are totally fine with half-naked men but when someone questions why it's literally only women being covered up constantly then suddenly it's a problem.
Having problems with artists having their work tampered with against their will should just be common sense imo too whatever it is.
As awful as I think that TLOU2 was I will still defend the writers right to it and I don't think it should've been changed.
And I mean you're not allowed to prefer Japanese games over Western games?
But you're allowed to dislike Japanese games and worship Western games? It's not like people slurp Western devs dicks constantly and put every Western AAA game ( Sony exclusives in particular ) up on a pedestal and act like they're the second coming of Christ.
Nope totally not a thing, people don't constantly have mental breakdowns about it either nope.
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Hawks Eclipse
Member
I only tried the Tetris Effect demo long ago, what did it do to earn your seal of disapproval?
makaveli60
Member
One of the results of civilization decay
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
Everything this game tries to do to your senses, I just find immensely distracting. I did mistakes I’d never do with most other versions of Tetris, even with a bad controller.
I guess it’s totally different in VR, but that’s not an option for me.
Hawks Eclipse
Member
Interestingly, I noticed you had similar complaints about Doom Eternal in that other thread.
It seems like you're not very comfortable dealing with more than a certain amount of visual stimuli?
I'd also assume while you like/love Ikaruga, you aren't nearly as fond of some other bullet hells that bombard your eyes much more.
Cause if that is indeed the case, I'd suggest you keep at it. Learning to see better in the chaos is a thing you can improve, it just doesn't happen overnight as you acclimatise to each game's visual language.
Rean no Kiseki
Banned
Woah there buddy i didn't make that pic, i agree with some of it's points (although it's just a shitpost from 4chinchins) and it's general message.
Souls games have an easy mode, it's called summoning! Besides they've never been "hard" especially if you don't suffer from ADHD and can recognise patterns and circle strafe to win.
Also getting this mad at an obvious shitpost...
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