I feel like this with all my mmorpg friends. It's all they play and I want to have a game we can play together. I TRY so hard to get to the end game where you do group fights and all, but it's so.... gdam.... boring and pointless!!!! Reeeee. Gw2 is considered one the easiest to level, and my gf still had to beg me every day to keep trying. That was the only one to date I was ever able to complete to get to group pvp. Currently I'm doing New World. At first, it was... alright, but getting to level 60 is so boring and unfun now.every person that is like "it gets good after 5+h... STFU and stick that game up your arse where it belongs, cuz that's a shit game...
if a game is only fun after you invest as much time as it takes to complete a freaking smaller title, then it's a shit game
For me, the absolute most brain dead argument is "If you don't like it, go make your own game".
The error in both of your thinking is that you have assumed that if someone's bagging on a game is because they "don't like it". I think that line of thought happens a lot and I hate to day it but it's usually by people emotionally invested in the game in a more unhealthy way that can border on fanboyism. Not saying you are famboys but I see it a lot when someone wants to stay in a blissful bubble and don't want people bringing down their buzz.That's my thinking as well. If I don't like a game then there is little reason to talk about it at all. Those "worse arguments" work both ways. Arguing against someone's opinion of a game is already in the realm of "worse arguments".
Depends on the context. People are usually saying that when someone ELSE uses the graphics difference to claim hardware superiority. As in "series x is more powerful because look at how much better Crysis Remastered runs on it". It's a stupid argument and deserves to be called out!"But it's running in BC mode."
It's such an absolute bullshit deflection. Ghost of Tsushima, running in BC mode, was so good you really didn't have to buy the Director's Cut as the PS5 enhancements were so minimal compared to the BC mode patch on the PS4 version. But every time a different game comes up on a head-to-head, you get the "it's running in BC mode!" defense.
That kind of thing triggers me so much!I don't really think a lot of "bad" arguments exist since opinions are entirely subjective. But I'll say when people make excuses for broken games being released and that they shouldn't complain because they'll be patched. That's objectively asinine. If you buy a game it should be working. A bug here or there, fine, but if it's littered with game breaking bugs or difficult to get through, developers should not be off the hook just because you're too blinded by your fandom to hold them accountable for it.
The error in both of your thinking is that you have assumed that if someone's bagging on a game is because they "don't like it". I think that line of thought happens a lot and I hate to day it but it's usually by people emotionally invested in the game in a more unhealthy way that can border on fanboyism. Not saying you are famboys but I see it a lot when someone wants to stay in a blissful bubble and don't want people bringing down their buzz.
The people "trashing a game", or whom are upset or angry at the devs/publishers for whatever reason are more often just really passionate and they DO like the game. It leads to fighting because you're disregarding their the actual points! "You just hate the game!". That's the same as "you can't criticize cuz U havnt made a game yourdelf". Thats fanboy stuff!
Gonna have to disagree partially with the story thing. For some people, the story is very important, it connects then with the characters' actions and motivations and makes them wanna play the game. So if the story is poorly written, it might be disappointing.When people defend games for lacking mechanics that older games had.
"Oh, Cyberpunk 2077 is an RPG. Why is everyone comparing it to GTA?"
It's an open world game, released in 2020. How the fuck is it possible that San Andreas, released almost 20 years earlier, has more features and it's more of an RPG?
But the one that really grinds my gears is when people dismiss superb titles just because the story is not up to their standards.
It's the videogame industry, motherfucker. I don't give a shit if Mankind Divided has a weak story, it's one of the best games from the last 10 years.
Cyberpunk 2077 wishes it was this good.
Go watch a fucking movie or read a book if the story is all you care about.
P.S. If you get from this post that I'm just looking for an excuse to shit on CDPR's mediocrity, congratulations on your powers of perception.
When people basically resort to "you need to git gud" to appreciate it. Sorry, if a game is frustrating or silly difficult I am not going to force myself to get good at it like it's some kind of physical sport or something. I am just not going to play it any longer. I would instead suggest to the game designers to git gud.
It depends. If people would argue substance rather than whether they have a right to hold an opinion you could have good conversations exploring the merits and demerits of a game.That's my thinking as well. If I don't like a game then there is little reason to talk about it at all. Those "worse arguments" work both ways. Arguing against someone's opinion of a game is already in the realm of "worse arguments".
Ive heard people using the same arguments for No more heroes side quests and actually speaking of which here's mine:"It's supposed to be boring".
By a friend when I told him I found Shenmue to be a bunch of boring and tedious stuff in between some fun moments.
Ive heard people using the same arguments for No more heroes side quests and actually speaking of which here's mine:
" It's a Suda game.... The games are always badly optimised what did you expect!!?"
Groan. The worst people
I have a friend who loves Soulslike games, but refuses to play Nioh 2 because the "characters look too short". Maybe the worst reason I've ever heard to not play a gameNot a fan of when people complain about graphics and then consider it a bad game revolving around just that.
“yup that looks like (game franchise title)” when it’s a sequel.
Also, the copies sold is like giving nickelback credit for selling millions of records. It’s not my fault a lot of people like dumb shit.
While I agree with you to some extent, I mostly see this type of argument used against someone complaining about a major change in gameplay of an established series or genre, or in other cases not changing in ways the person complaining feels it should.No matter what game is being discussed, you'll always see the same old arguments being made to excuse away any problems people may have.
For me, the absolute most brain dead argument is "If you don't like it, go make your own game". This implies that any customer for any business shouldn't be able to complain about their purchase, unless they've actually created a similar product themselves. If you expand this idiotic viewpoint to include other industries besides gaming, the sheer stupidity becomes instantly obvious.
Do I need to be a fashion designer to dislike the fit of my clothing?
Do I need to be a roofer to know if my roof is leaking?
Do I need to be a chef to spot an overcooked steak?
Do I need to be a road worker to see the potholes in a road?
Do I need to be a plumber to tell if my toilet is overflowing?
Now clearly the answer to all these questions is "NO". Yet somehow, this exact same mindset is applied to game development on a regular basis. It makes absolutely no sense,and if you catch yourself using it, please rethink the situation, because you're woefully wrong.
Nah bro Nier Automata was fucking amazing from the first hour."It's amazing once you finish two extra playthroughs to see the real ending, trust me, it's only 40h until you get to that point."Nier: Automata